The tip of the ice berg

[TLK Valentine]

His academics get in the way.

What amazes me is that he's [supposed to be] a professor of literature.

I wonder what he teaches his class.

If you have nothing more than cheap personal attacks (and you clearly don't), would you kindly not interfere with an interesting discussion between myself and @BPPLEE ?

 

[Astrid]

Let's see if we can come to a consensus on this:

If Jesus Christ were to return tomorrow in all His Glory:

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Christians would be ecstatic, praising him and cheering for him to smite the wicked once and for all and establish the millennial reign...

... but, if instead he came back incognito:

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...and preached the same messages he preached 2,000 years ago (but again, incognito), He'd be dismissed as a "woke" liberal, derided as a radical BLM/AntiFa troublemaker, and run out of town on a rail... by those very same Christians.

Or am I mistaken?

Concocting hypothetical hypocrisy is silly and tiresome.

 

[BPPLEE]

Let's see if we can come to a consensus on this:

If Jesus Christ were to return tomorrow in all His Glory:

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Christians would be ecstatic, praising him and cheering for him to smite the wicked once and for all and establish the millennial reign...

... but, if instead he came back incognito:

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...and preached the same messages he preached 2,000 years ago (but again, incognito), He'd be dismissed as a "woke" liberal, derided as a radical BLM/AntiFa troublemaker, and run out of town on a rail... by those very same Christians.

Or am I mistaken?

Speak for yourself

 

[TLK Valentine]

Speak for yourself

I'm not a Christian... I can only give the observation of an outsider.

 

[BPPLEE]

I'm not a Christian... I can only give the observation of an outsider.

God has not always shown up the way I thought he would. 15 years ago I was on a 5 country drug task force and I was a bivocational youth pastor. The biggest meth dealer in the circuit was paying off the head of the drug unit. He shot at people held guns to their heads and beat two people almost to death and nothing happened to him. I had to do my investigation in secret because he was doing favors for so many cops and the district attorney. I finally arrested him got the feds to take the case and turned in the head of the drug unit to the attorney general's office. That's when I found out there was a lot more corruption than I knew. I was moved back to patrol got depressed and was forced out of law enforcement. I had to start over making minimum wage my wife left me and I was asking God why all this was happening when I was trying to do the right thing. I was mad at God. But I never went hungry or lacked for anything I needed. He carried me through it. I wouldn't have made it without him. But he didn't show up the way I was expecting .I learned a lot going through that and ended up with a better job and knowing I did the right thing. I also found out which people I knew were really Christians and lived it

 

[TLK Valentine]

God has not always shown up the way I thought he would. 15 years ago I was on a 5 country drug task force and I was a bivocational youth pastor. The biggest meth dealer in the circuit was paying off the head of the drug unit. He shot at people held guns to their heads and beat two people almost to death and nothing happened to him. I had to do my investigation in secret because he was doing favors for so many cops and the district attorney. I finally arrested him got the feds to take the case and turned in the head of the drug unit to the attorney general's office. That's when I found out there was a lot more corruption than I knew. I was moved back to patrol got depressed and was forced out of law enforcement. I had to start over making minimum wage my wife left me and I was asking God why all this was happening when I was trying to do the right thing. I was mad at God. But I never went hungry or lacked for anything I needed. He carried me through it. I wouldn't have made it without him. But he didn't show up the way I was expecting .I learned a lot going through that and ended up with a better job and knowing I did the right thing. I also found out which people I knew were really Christian's and lived it

Fascinating story... But I don't see how it relates to the discussion.

 

[BPPLEE]

Fascinating story... But I don't see how it relates to the discussion.

God doesn't always work the way you expect. I don't think you believe Jesus is coming back incognito or any other way. If he did would you know him? These hypothetical scenarios seem to be a favorite with people who are not Christians. I will tell you this: I have been hurt more by people who claimed to be Christians than by anyone else. So we have our share of hypocrisy. But Jesus is not coming back in way you describe or at least I don't believe he is.

 

[ruthiesea]

What makes that public unwilling in the first place?

Not wanting to be indoctrinated with someone else’s religious beliefs which is against their beliefs especially under the guise of science.

 

[AV1611VET]

Not wanting to be indoctrinated with someone else’s religious beliefs which is against their beliefs especially under the guise of science.

Oh ... so that's why they took the Ten Commandments off our courthouse lawns?

I was thinking science had something to do with it.

Thanks for the QED of this post I made many years ago:

So....what, scientists are a step away from criminals now?

Well, when I see you guys whine and whimper about how God didn't have any right to put a tree here, or to tell people to vacate the land, or give hundreds of years warning, or want the Ten Commandments off of our courthouse lawns, etc. and so ad-nauseum forth; I get the impression that anarchy was tailor-made for you all.

 

[BPPLEE]

Not wanting to be indoctrinated with someone else’s religious beliefs which is against their beliefs especially under the guise of science.

Who is trying to do that? The Intelligent Design advocates are the only ones I know of who tried to get their theories taught in schools under the guise of science.

 

[Astrid]

Who is trying to do that? The Intelligent Design advocates are the only ones I know of who tried to get their theories taught in schools under the guise of science.

I wonder how aware the advocates at DI etc are
that they are pushing a belief under the false flag
of science, or are simply cynical.
Anyone making money off it is likely as big a phony
as the " science".
At DI they do no research, they spend all the money
they get on themselves.

 

[BPPLEE]

I wonder how aware the advocates at DI etc are
that they are pushing a belief under the false flag
of science, or are simply cynical.
Anyone making money off it is likely as big a phony
as the " science".
At DI they do no research, they spend all the money
they get on themselves.

I'm familiar with ID but not sure what DI is

 

[TLK Valentine]

Oh ... so that's why they took the Ten Commandments off our courthouse lawns?

If you had them in your heart, you wouldn't need them on the lawns.

I was thinking science had something to do with it.

Politics, actually.

Thanks for the QED of this post I made many years ago:

You want power and control over others, and you complain when you don't get it.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I'm familiar with ID but not sure what DI is

DI = Discovery Institute -- A creationist think tank that tried (unsuccessfully) to market "Intelligent Design" as a nonreligious form of Creationism.

 

[BPPLEE]

DI = Discovery Institute -- A creationist think tank that tried (unsuccessfully) to market "Intelligent Design" as a nonreligious form of Creationism.

Oh okay the authors of the infamous Wedge Document

 

[ottawak]

I wonder how aware the advocates at DI etc are
that they are pushing a belief under the false flag
of science, or are simply cynical.
Anyone making money off it is likely as big a phony
as the " science".
At DI they do no research, they spend all the money
they get on themselves.

The Discovery Institute is a radical Calvinist organization aiming to install a totalitarian theocracy in the US. To them, the end justifies any means.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Oh okay the authors of the infamous Wedge Document

That's the one... AKA the nail in the coffin of "Intelligent Design's" credibility.

 

[ottawak]

Oh ... so that's why they took the Ten Commandments off our courthouse lawns?

As far as I am aware, the Ten Commandments were only taken off one courthouse lawn, the monument having been put their by the judge who made it clear that the monument was not to symbolize Judeo-Christian tradition, or even Christianity generally, but the cultural hegemony of Evangelical fundamentalism.

I was thinking science had something to do with it.

No, it was all strictly political.

 

[Astrid]

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[BPPLEE]

That's the one... AKA the nail in the coffin of "Intelligent Design's" credibility.

Was there a scientific rebuttal of irreducible complexity? I'm not trying to make a point I'm just curious.