Ezekiel Gog and Magog invasion in light of current events

[food4thought]

First, let me acknowledge that the timing of the fulfillment of Ezkiel 37-38 is debatable. I am not certain I have it right, so if you disagree that it happens before the 2nd coming of the Lord Jesus, feel free to ignore this thread. Second, even though there are numerous problems with the doctrine in the 2017 video documentary "The Coming Convergence", I have to credit the video for getting me to thinking about the reasoning for the Magog invasion. Finally, the identity of Gog and Magog is also controversial... but the text itself makes it clear that this entity is far north of the nation Israel. This leads me to think the likely national entities today would be either Turkey or Russia. My understanding works for either one.

So, looking at the situation in Europe, we see Russia supplying a large chunk of Europe's oil and natural gas needs, leading to a lot of international consternation over not being able to sanction Russia as effectively as necessary to deter its aggression. So Europe is very open now to the idea of finding more diverse supplies for it's needs.

Enter Israel, who has a newly discovered, tremendously large, mostly untapped, source of natural gas offshore.

If, in the relatively near future, Europe and Israel can work out a deal where Israel produces more gas (the supply is there from what I understand, Israel would need help tapping into the supply, though), and the EU provides the political and economic will and clout to build out the necessary infrastructure to get the supply to Europe, it would greatly help both parties.

But, it would really have negative consequences on Russia's leverage on Europe, and also make Turkey's ambitions to become more powerful in the region more difficult. Since both Turkey and Russia appear to be run by totalitarian minded egomaniacs, this agreement between Israel and Europe could very well lead to the prophesied invasion. We all know that the other nations listed as being part the invasion already hate Israel and really need no excuse to participate, but they can't do it without the perceived geopolitical cover that a military powerhouse like Russia, or a NATO nation like Turkey, could provide.

Obviously, there is quite a bit of speculation here, but the basic thesis is grounded in current reality as well as, IMO, valid extrapolation of future motives for all involved. Not saying the invasion is imminent, but saying the groundwork is being laid for it to occur in the foreseeable future. Thoughts?

 

[Gentle Lamb]

First, let me acknowledge that the timing of the fulfillment of Ezkiel 37-38 is debatable. I am not certain I have it right, so if you disagree that it happens before the 2nd coming of the Lord Jesus, feel free to ignore this thread. Second, even though there are numerous problems with the doctrine in the 2017 video documentary "The Coming Convergence", I have to credit the video for getting me to thinking about the reasoning for the Magog invasion. Finally, the identity of Gog and Magog is also controversial... but the text itself makes it clear that this entity is far north of the nation Israel. This leads me to think the likely national entities today would be either Turkey or Russia. My understanding works for either one.

So, looking at the situation in Europe, we see Russia supplying a large chunk of Europe's oil and natural gas needs, leading to a lot of international consternation over not being able to sanction Russia as effectively as necessary to deter its aggression. So Europe is very open now to the idea of finding more diverse supplies for it's needs.

Enter Israel, who has a newly discovered, tremendously large, mostly untapped, source of natural gas offshore.

If, in the relatively near future, Europe and Israel can work out a deal where Israel produces more gas (the supply is there from what I understand, Israel would need help tapping into the supply, though), and the EU provides the political and economic will and clout to build out the necessary infrastructure to get the supply to Europe, it would greatly help both parties.

But, it would really have negative consequences on Russia's leverage on Europe, and also make Turkey's ambitions to become more powerful in the region more difficult. Since both Turkey and Russia appear to be run by totalitarian minded egomaniacs, this agreement between Israel and Europe could very well lead to the prophesied invasion. We all know that the other nations listed as being part the invasion already hate Israel and really need no excuse to participate, but they can't do it without the perceived geopolitical cover that a military powerhouse like Russia, or a NATO nation like Turkey, could provide.

Obviously, there is quite a bit of speculation here, but the basic thesis is grounded in current reality as well as, IMO, valid extrapolation of future motives for all involved. Not saying the invasion is imminent, but saying the groundwork is being laid for it to occur in the foreseeable future. Thoughts?

Hmm.... your theory makes sense.... and biblically speaking, given that Israel is prophesied to be invaded by a nation from the north, it's quite possible that it may be Russia after all. I don't think Putin is going to be satisfied with destroying Ukraine, I think, and other people have speculated, that he will keep on invading other countries. If gas is involved, as you are speculating, it may very well draw the ire of Putin if more resources are diverted from Russia due to what you have just said. Please, can you post a link to the documentary you mentioned?

 

[Dustoff]

A year or so ago I posted a note about my thoughts on the Gog war. I believed then and still do it is on the horizon and will happen prior to the trib. I gave my reasons for why it happens and the results from it. I also think it is an absolutely cogent question if this war were to occur with America still militarily economically and diplomatically ascendant why wouldn't it help its close ally. If you're interested here is a link. There are plenty of replies but most had nothing to do with what I had to say. Anyway if you're interested have a read.

The Time We Live In : Gog and Magog

 

[food4thought]

Hmm.... your theory makes sense.... and biblically speaking, given that Israel is prophesied to be invaded by a nation from the north, it's quite possible that it may be Russia after all. I don't think Putin is going to be satisfied with destroying Ukraine, I think, and other people have speculated, that he will keep on invading other countries. If gas is involved, as you are speculating, it may very well draw the ire of Putin if more resources are diverted from Russia due to what you have just said. Please, can you post a link to the documentary you mentioned?

Thanks for the reply, Gentle Lamb. The video does have some notable flaws IMO, but it is engaging and can be watched for free on tubi here: Watch The Coming Convergence (2017) - Free Movies | Tubi (tubitv.com)

 

[food4thought]

A year or so ago I posted a note about my thoughts on the Gog war. I believed then and still do it is on the horizon and will happen prior to the trib. I gave my reasons for why it happens and the results from it. I also think it is an absolutely cogent question if this war were to occur with America still militarily economically and diplomatically ascendant why wouldn't it help its close ally. If you're interested here is a link. There are plenty of replies but most had nothing to do with what I had to say. Anyway if you're interested have a read.

The Time We Live In : Gog and Magog

Thanks, Dustoff! I'll check out the link.

 

[parousia70]

Hmm.... your theory makes sense.... and biblically speaking, given that Israel is prophesied to be invaded by a nation from the north, it's quite possible that it may be Russia after all. I don't think Putin is going to be satisfied with destroying Ukraine, I think, and other people have speculated, that he will keep on invading other countries. If gas is involved, as you are speculating, it may very well draw the ire of Putin if more resources are diverted from Russia due to what you have just said.

Putin can't even handle Ukraine - They lost 25% of their attacking force in just the first 4 weeks...many of them their highest level, best trained experts.
Theyre pulling up 18 yo conscripts and throwing them in the meat grinder just to get warm bodies on the ground there.. Low Morale, no fuel or food... I't is a catastrophic bungle.

Putins forces are no match for the Israeli Army. Not a chance He's gonna send those beleagured troops to limp into Israel.

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

Putin can't even handle Ukraine - They lost 25% of their attacking force in just the first 4 weeks...many of them their highest level, best trained experts.
Theyre pulling up 18 yo conscripts and throwing them in the meat grinder just to get warm bodies on the ground there.. Low Morale, no fuel or food... I't is a catastrophic bungle.

Putins forces are no match for the Israeli Army. Not a chance He's gonna send those beleagured troops to limp into Israel.

You are missing a key point. Russia has over 6,000 nuclear warheads to Israel's 200 or less.

See: Sarmat ICBM: Why Putin is rattling his nuclear saber with 'Satan II' missile launch - CNN

Also see: Israel vs Russia: Military Facts and Stats

 

[food4thought]

Putin can't even handle Ukraine - They lost 25% of their attacking force in just the first 4 weeks...many of them their highest level, best trained experts.
Theyre pulling up 18 yo conscripts and throwing them in the meat grinder just to get warm bodies on the ground there.. Low Morale, no fuel or food... I't is a catastrophic bungle.

Putins forces are no match for the Israeli Army. Not a chance He's gonna send those beleagured troops to limp into Israel.

The Russian military wouldn't need to shoulder a large workload (except as suppliers of weapons and air support)... they have already supplied large amounts of weapons and training to many of the nations named in the Ezekiel text. Mostly, these Muslim nations need the diplomatic and geopolitical cover (read: Russia has nukes, and Turkey is still a Nato member, complicating an immediate response from the west against said invasion if they participate). I agree that the current war in Ukraine has revealed some serious deficiencies in Russia's military (if the western press is accurate and honest in their assessment... something I once took for granted, but not so much these days), but providing the alliance of Muslim nations with air support, missile strikes from land, air, and sea, along with their potential nuclear clout, would go a long ways in preventing an immediate response from the west...

Again, I realize this is all still speculation, but considering the recent events in Jerusalem... the hatred for Israel in Muslim nations is only going to increase (it may threaten the progress made in the Abraham Accords).

 

[parousia70]

You are missing a key point. Russia has over 6,000 nuclear warheads to Israel's 200 or less.

Ok... and if they each lobbed just 5 of them at eachother we'd have thermonuclear winter planet wide.
How Many Nukes Would It Take to Cause a Nuclear Winter?

6000 nukes is a useless deterrant against 200 of them.

 

[apollosdtr]

First, let me acknowledge that the timing of the fulfillment of Ezkiel 37-38 is debatable. I am not certain I have it right, so if you disagree that it happens before the 2nd coming of the Lord Jesus, feel free to ignore this thread. Second, even though there are numerous problems with the doctrine in the 2017 video documentary "The Coming Convergence", I have to credit the video for getting me to thinking about the reasoning for the Magog invasion. Finally, the identity of Gog and Magog is also controversial... but the text itself makes it clear that this entity is far north of the nation Israel. This leads me to think the likely national entities today would be either Turkey or Russia. My understanding works for either one.

So, looking at the situation in Europe, we see Russia supplying a large chunk of Europe's oil and natural gas needs, leading to a lot of international consternation over not being able to sanction Russia as effectively as necessary to deter its aggression. So Europe is very open now to the idea of finding more diverse supplies for it's needs.

Enter Israel, who has a newly discovered, tremendously large, mostly untapped, source of natural gas offshore.

If, in the relatively near future, Europe and Israel can work out a deal where Israel produces more gas (the supply is there from what I understand, Israel would need help tapping into the supply, though), and the EU provides the political and economic will and clout to build out the necessary infrastructure to get the supply to Europe, it would greatly help both parties.

But, it would really have negative consequences on Russia's leverage on Europe, and also make Turkey's ambitions to become more powerful in the region more difficult. Since both Turkey and Russia appear to be run by totalitarian minded egomaniacs, this agreement between Israel and Europe could very well lead to the prophesied invasion. We all know that the other nations listed as being part the invasion already hate Israel and really need no excuse to participate, but they can't do it without the perceived geopolitical cover that a military powerhouse like Russia, or a NATO nation like Turkey, could provide.

Obviously, there is quite a bit of speculation here, but the basic thesis is grounded in current reality as well as, IMO, valid extrapolation of future motives for all involved. Not saying the invasion is imminent, but saying the groundwork is being laid for it to occur in the foreseeable future. Thoughts?

Doesn't matter who discovered it.
Depends on who legally owns what.

International waters start 12 nautical miles from the shore (22.2 km; 13.8 mi)

United Nations Resolution 181 | Map & Summary

 

[TribulationSigns]

Obviously, there is quite a bit of speculation here, but the basic thesis is grounded in current reality as well as, IMO, valid extrapolation of future motives for all involved. Not saying the invasion is imminent, but saying the groundwork is being laid for it to occur in the foreseeable future. Thoughts?

Rev 20:7-9
(7) And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
(8) And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
(9) And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Well, frankly, ask yourself, how do those gathered from the four corners of the Earth by the spirit Satan (loosed) come to fight against the saint's camp? Is it with atheists with guns and bombs? ...No! Is it with proclamations banning the Churches all over the world? ...No! Is it with a Russian coalition assault force to take over the city of Jerusalem in the Middle East? ...No!

The answer is... it is the spirit Satan assaults God's New Testament Congregation with people from all over the earth preaching love and masquerading as God's good servants.

2nd Corinthians 11:13-15

• "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
• And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an messenger of light.
• Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."

THIS is how Satan and his army attack the saint's camp in Revelation 20. By MANY, MANY people professing that they are of the Lamb, but speaking as a Dragon. By coming up out of the earth as false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. The Church thinks it is doing good, but being unfaithful in their "spiritual fornication," courting this people's god rather than keeping the word of their own God of the Bible.

Look at the state of the church today. With an increasing number of false prophets and christs popping up in God's congregation (Matthew 24:11) all over the world like Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyers, Johnathan Prince, etc. preaching lies that deceive many people within the congregation who have not yet been sealed by God, Revelation 9:1-6. This is the spiritual battle of Gog and Magog going on right now for those who have spiritual eyes to see.

 

[bèlla]

You haven’t identified Ukraine. Which is Khazaria whose forefathers hail from the Caucus mountains. They converted to Talmudic Judaism. You have to know their history beforehand and their relationship with Russia. The Bolshevik Revolution addresses the latter.

The Russian flag bears a double-headed eagle which was used by the Hittites. Look at the region and see if it fits.

As for Israel, you must address Rev. 2:9 and 3:9. It’s reiterated for a reason and rarely discussed. To say a people are not a people is significant.