Ukraine in desperate need

[Valletta]

Mariupol Defender Pleads for Help: ‘Days, or Hours Left’ | Time
Ukraine needs aircraft and a missile defense system. Biden needs to step up.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Yes, clearly Biden is the only one who needs to do something. Forget about Putin ending the war, no, Biden is at fault here.

 

[Valletta]

Yes, clearly Biden is the only one who needs to do something. Forget about Putin ending the war, no, Biden is at fault here.

We're on the edge of World War, if Putin takes Ukraine he will not stop.

 

[sfs]

We're on the edge of World War, if Putin takes Ukraine he will not stop.

I'm all in favor of supplying Ukraine with whatever they need (and it would be nice if certain other countries would step up, too), but Putin hasn't got the forces to take Ukraine, much less NATO.

 

[Paulos23]

I'm all in favor of supplying Ukraine with whatever they need (and it would be nice if certain other countries would step up, too), but Putin hasn't got the forces to take Ukraine, much less NATO.

Take? Maybe, maybe not. Deffinetly not with the way they are fighting.

Hold? No.

 

[Paulos23]

Mariupol Defender Pleads for Help: ‘Days, or Hours Left’ | Time
Ukraine needs aircraft and a missile defense system. Biden needs to step up.

And so does congress, who hold the pursestrings. They could vote for more aid any time they want.

 

[Valletta]

Take? Maybe, maybe not. Deffinetly not with the way they are fighting.

Hold? No.

Ukraine for the most part is very flat. The war will be won or lost with aircraft and missiles.

 

[Paulos23]

Ukraine for the most part is very flat. The war will be won or lost with aircraft and missiles.

So are you saying the President should bypass Congress and just send more never mind the cost?

 

[Homeowner]

Ukraine for the most part is very flat. The war will be won or lost with aircraft and missiles.

It takes a great deal of training, maintenance and money to use and purchase sophisticated weapons like missiles and aircraft.

Also the political side of drawing a line. US delivers cruise missiles to Polish side of Ukrainian border with pre locked coordinates for Kremlin. Ukrainian farmer drags the missiles over the border with his tractor and pushes the button to send missiles for Moscow.

Technically nothing different from sending an anti-tank weapon across the border. Practically.....

Same thing with aircraft. Sell some F - 22s for price of one ruble with few volunteer pilots who just happened to get fast citizenship from Ukraine. Hardly different from Russian "volunteers" in Donbass but
how fast would that escalate ?

It is a balancing act. You can't just do whatever you want or could do without Russia deciding it is actually a WW III.

 

[sfs]

Ukraine for the most part is very flat. The war will be won or lost with aircraft and missiles.

In the absence of either side controlling the air, the war is currently being won or lost with armor, drones, and heavy artillery.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Mariupol Defender Pleads for Help: ‘Days, or Hours Left’ | Time
Ukraine needs aircraft and a missile defense system. Biden needs to step up.

Is this that “America first” policy I hear so much about?

 

[7thKeeper]

Is this that “America first” policy I hear so much about?

I'm kinda suspecting that it is, whenever it's more convenient.
Oh, and Ukraine has said now that they've got 20 more aircraft in use now, thanks to parts from the US. So... I assume I'll hear Valletta thank Biden for doing what they wanted him to do?

 

[Homeowner]

So... I assume I'll hear Valletta thank Biden for doing what they wanted him to do?

I think we are going to see Putin apologizing for the war and boarding his plane for appearance on ICC at Hague before we hear Valletta thanking Biden.

 

[Andrewn]

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[Nithavela]

I think we are going to see Putin apologizing for the war and boarding his plane for appearance on ICC at Hague before we hear Valletta thanking Biden.

I'm sure that "not enough military aid" will turn into "too much military aid" at some point.

 

[Valletta]

It takes a great deal of training, maintenance and money to use and purchase sophisticated weapons like missiles and aircraft.

Also the political side of drawing a line. US delivers cruise missiles to Polish side of Ukrainian border with pre locked coordinates for Kremlin. Ukrainian farmer drags the missiles over the border with his tractor and pushes the button to send missiles for Moscow.

Technically nothing different from sending an anti-tank weapon across the border. Practically.....

Same thing with aircraft. Sell some F - 22s for price of one ruble with few volunteer pilots who just happened to get fast citizenship from Ukraine. Hardly different from Russian "volunteers" in Donbass but
how fast would that escalate ?

It is a balancing act. You can't just do whatever you want or could do without Russia deciding it is actually a WW III.

I understand your point. My point is that as long as Russia dictates the terms of the war, telling countries that if they do this or that the war will escalate, Russia will continue the war and it will spread to other countries.

 

[sfs]

My point is that as long as Russia dictates the terms of the war, telling countries that if they do this or that the war will escalate, Russia will continue the war and it will spread to other countries.

How is it going to spread to other countries? Under the present terms of the war, Russia has already suffered a major defeat and is experiencing depletion of its combat forces at a ferocious rate. And that's without the sharp increase in heavy weaponry -- artillery and armor -- that the Ukrainians are receiving now.

 

[Valletta]

How is it going to spread to other countries? Under the present terms of the war, Russia has already suffered a major defeat and is experiencing depletion of its combat forces at a ferocious rate. And that's without the sharp increase in heavy weaponry -- artillery and armor -- that the Ukrainians are receiving now.

Russia is still allowed to sell oil, Joe won't let our fossil fuel establishment supply Europe. We are not supplying Ukraine with the aircraft and defense systems they need. Joe won't ramp up the mid level nuclear weapons sending a message to Putin that he can use them without retaliation.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...r-missile-gap-with-russia-and-china-chfc92kvj

 

[wing2000]

Joe released another 800 million dollar in armaments yesterday including
"72 155mm howitzers and the tactical vehicles to tow them, along with 144,000 artillery rounds."

....and drones that the USAF specifically developed to say hello to the Russian front:

120 Phoenix Ghost Tactical Unmanned Aerial Systems — drones that the U.S. Air Force developed “in response, specifically, to Ukrainian requirements,” according to Kirby. Later in the day, he said the drones had actually been “developed for a set of requirements that very closely match” the Ukrainians’ needs for operations in Donbas.

“Its principal focus is attack,” he said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/22/ukraine-russia-phoenix-ghost-drones-howitzer/

 

[wing2000]

...and Joe's Pentagon has been rather busy...don't ya think?

After weeks of focusing on antitank and antiaircraft weaponry like Javelins and Stingers, the new shipments over the last week have included long-range artillery, tactical vehicles and mobile radar systems to help the Ukrainians detect and destroy Russian artillery positions.

Other countries are sending tanks, more artillery and anti-ship missiles.

General Milley’s phone log this week looks like a roll call of countries with heavy artillery and weaponry: Australia, Britain, Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Sweden and Turkey.

Next Phase of War Will Be Pivotal for Russia and Ukraine, U.S. Says