Did Christ at the cross end all the laws?

[Leaf473]

Of course, but God only kept the Ten Commandments inside the ark of the Covenant in the Most Holy where He dwells and is revealed in Heaven. Revelation 11:19 Only the Ten were written by the finger of God, not by man. I pray that one day you and others can see the significance of this.

As far as what laws ended at the cross, laws that were not written by God's finger still remain, I believe you say.

So following that train of thought, it doesn't make a difference whether a law was written by God's finger or not as to whether it ended at the cross.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

If you "find it very strange people think God’s commandments are anything but the commandments God wrote with His own finger...", that would imply that you do not think that.

So you do not think that God's commandments are anything but the ten commandments.
That would imply that you believe that God's commandments are only the 10.

Anyways, it's in those other laws that the difficulties with law keeping theology are most easily seen.

Like it says in Deuteronomy,
"These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the way, when you lie down and when you get up. Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads."

You are quoting you and not me.

I have never said there are not more than 10 commandments, please quote me ever saying this. What I have said is God only wrote 10 commandments with His own finger. Exodus 34:28, Exodus 31:18 and only the Ten was inside the ark of the covenant in the Most Holy of God’s Temple where God dwells and is also revealed in heaven. Revelation 11:19. God made a distinction with the Ten, but many sadly can’t see this. God tells us right in the Ten that He shows mercy to thousands who love Him and keep His commandments. Exodus 20:6 which Jesus quoted verbatim John 14:15 and John. 1 John 5:3

What I stated is that I find it strange that people (the ones who don’t believe in God’s Ten Commandments) think God’s commandments including anything but the Ten. This is not my view and not the view of scripture.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

As far as what laws ended at the cross, laws that were not written by God's finger still remain, I believe you say.

So following that train of thought, it doesn't make a difference whether a law was written by God's finger or not as to whether it ended at the cross.

You seem to quote a lot of “you” and think it’s “me”. God’s Ten Commandments has not ended at the cross, . We will all be judged by the Ten Commandments James 2:10-12 and it is what points out sin . 1 John 3:4, Romans 7:7 Romans 2:20 We seem to be going in circles again.

 

[Leaf473]

So in your view, when Paul says what matters is keeping the commandments of God, that only means the two commandments from the law of Moses to love thy neighbor and love God, but not the commandments that God wrote with His own finger. Seems like the opposite of what Paul said. Paul said the commandments of God- so in your view those don’t include the law God wrote with His own finger, spoke with His own voice and that was kept in the ark of the covenant, in the Most Holy of God’s Temple where He dwells and is revealed in Heaven. Revelation 11:19. Interesting interpretation. I wonder how Jesus feels about this, when He died for the forgiveness of our sins and sanctification and came to do the will of His Father- to magnify His laws- which means make greater, not lesser.

Paul could be referring to commandments from the old testament, or he may be referring to commandments
such as " If anyone thinks they are a prophet or otherwise gifted by the Spirit, let them acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s commandment."

I kind of think that's what he means.

Jesus magnified all of the laws. He showed how great and high the law was. He magnified the animal sacrifice commandments on the cross.

 

[Leaf473]

Guess I’m not following you, how this verse would mean you don’t have to obey Jesus. Perhaps prayerfully reading Hebrews 10 and how it relates to Colossians 2:14 might help. I would give you the answer, but you don’t seem to agree with any of my posts, so I’ll just point you in the direction. God bless.

In Matthew 8, Jesus tells the ex-leper to take to the priest the offering that Moses commanded.

Neither you nor I do that. We don't follow all of the instructions that Jesus gave to people back then.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

In Matthew 8, Jesus tells the ex-leper to take to the priest the offering that Moses commanded.

Neither you nor I do that. We don't follow all of the instructions that Jesus gave to people back then.

I know because of Hebrews 10, Col 2:14 which I suggested you read.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Paul could be referring to commandments from the old testament, or he may be referring to commandments
such as " If anyone thinks they are a prophet or otherwise gifted by the Spirit, let them acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s commandment."

I kind of think that's what he means.

Jesus magnified all of the laws. He showed how great and high the law was. He magnified the animal sacrifice commandments on the cross.

The verse you quoted is saying that anyone who speaks on behalf of the Lord is to acknowledge what the Lord taught, not to come on behalf of themselves. Jesus taught from the Ten Commandments, so this doesn’t seem like a good argument against Jesus teaching we do not need to keep His Fathers commandments, which He kept and told us to as well. John 15:10, John 14:15

There will be many false prophets and this is how we can tell. . .

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

I think I’m going to leave this discussion because we have been though this so many times. If you think the law God wrote in our hearts and minds Hebrews 8:10 is anything but the Ten, thats your free will. We will have to agree to disagree.

 

[Leaf473]

You are quoting you and not me.

I have never said there are not more than 10 commandments, please quote me ever saying this. What I have said is God only wrote 10 commandments with His own finger. Exodus 34:28, Exodus 31:18 and only the Ten was inside the ark of the covenant in the Most Holy of God’s Temple where God dwells and is also revealed in heaven. Revelation 11:19. God made a distinction with the Ten, but many sadly can’t see this. God tells us right in the Ten that He shows mercy to thousands who love Him and keep His commandments. Exodus 20:6 which Jesus quoted verbatim John 14:15 and John. 1 John 5:3

What I stated is that I find it strange that people (the ones who don’t believe in God’s Ten Commandments) think God’s commandments including anything but the Ten. This is not my view and not the view of scripture.

The words that I put in quotes are an exact quote from your post.

I know that you say there are more commandments for today than just the 10.

Sometimes if a person wants to focus on the 10 they will say things that imply that it's only the 10 that remain today. So maybe that's what's happening here. I've seen several people be confused about what commandments you believe remain.

God did make a distinction about the 10. However, that distinction does not seem to be related to what ends at the cross.

That's because some law is not written by God's finger still remain after the cross, I believe you say.

 

[Leaf473]

You seem to quote a lot of “you” and think it’s “me”. God’s Ten Commandments has not ended at the cross, . We will all be judged by the Ten Commandments James 2:10-12 and it is what points out sin . 1 John 3:4, Romans 7:7 Romans 2:20 We seem to be going in circles again.

I wasn't quoting you, I was saying what I thought you believed.

You believe that some laws not written by God's finger still remain after the cross, Yes?

 

[Leaf473]

I know because of Hebrews 10, Col 2:14 which I suggested you read.

I have read them, as well as all of the scriptures.

So the conclusion is we do not take the offering that Moses commanded, as Jesus instructed.

We do not do everything that Jesus instructed.

 

[Leaf473]

The verse you quoted is saying that anyone who speaks on behalf of the Lord is to acknowledge what the Lord taught, not to come on behalf of themselves. Jesus taught from the Ten Commandments, so this doesn’t seem like a good argument against Jesus teaching we do not need to keep His Fathers commandments, which He kept and told us to as well. John 15:10, John 14:15

There will be many false prophets and this is how we can tell. . .

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

I think I’m going to leave this discussion because we have been though this so many times. If you think the law God wrote in our hearts and minds Hebrews 8:10 is anything but the Ten, thats your free will. We will have to agree to disagree.

Not quite, it's saying that what Paul wrote to the Corinthians is the Lord's commandment.

Jesus taught prior to the cross, Paul wrote letters after the cross.

Peace be with you, my sister. See you around!

 

[expos4ever]

This is the law, I don’t recommend removing God, the author of His law and renaming it into mans choice on what they feel like keeping.

Strawman - no one is saying this.

So when you make statements that all the law ended, but then quote laws from the Ten Commandments that they should be kept, you seem to be contradicting yourself or implying God is not in charge of His law, that man is and contradicts the Authority of our Creator and Savior.

Strawman - I never said we should keep the 10 commandments. Or, more precisely, I never said we should look to the 10 commandments for guidance on how to live. Scripture tells that the Spirit replaces the Law as the source we should look to for guidance:

But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Not quite, it's saying that what Paul wrote to the Corinthians is the Lord's commandment.

Jesus taught prior to the cross, Paul wrote letters after the cross.

Peace be with you, my sister. See you around!

First you thought it was the greatest commandments and now this verse. Seems like you’re not completely sure, but somehow you seem convinced the commandments that matters are not the Ten Commandments. It’s not the commandments God wrote with His own finger, the commandments that reveal sin Romans 7:7 that we will be judged on James 2:10-12, not the commandments that Jesus says if you keep the least of the these, you will be least in heaven- quoting directly from the Ten Matthew 5:17-30, not the commandments Jesus quoted from when asked how do I gain eternal life Matthew 19:17-19. Very interesting, I sure don’t see it that, so we will have to agree to disagree.

Looks like we are back where we started. Take care.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I have read them, as well as all of the scriptures.

So the conclusion is we do not take the offering that Moses commanded, as Jesus instructed.

We do not do everything that Jesus instructed.

Okay Leaf, if thats what you believe. Take care.

 

[expos4ever]

God is the author of His law, written by His own finger, which is how sin is defined. 1 John 3:4 Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7,

I have twice posted clear arguments as to why these texts do not support your position. If you do not at least engage these arguments, the objective reader will conclude that you do not have a counterargument to offer.

 

[expos4ever]

Anything but means all commandments but from the Ten which seems to be the consensus from those who do not want to obey God’s law

Ad hominem - you should not cast aspersions on the motivations of others simply because they disagree with your position.

 

[Ray Glenn]

How can the law be abolished at the cross? When the Jews did not accept that Jesus was the Messiah and continued animal sacrifice until 70AD when Rome ended the practice for them?

You realize that with the building of the third temple comes the practice of animal sacrifice once again? After all, to bless the ground for the Temple requires an unblemished Red Heifer that is sacrificed, burned and the ashes scattered over the temple mount.

The law may have ended according to Christian belief ....but still exists in Jewish belief.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Ad hominem - you should not cast aspersions on the motivations of others simply because they disagree with your position.

I have done no such thing, just sharing scriptures. If taken that way definitely not my intention.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Strawman - no one is saying this.


Strawman - I never said we should keep the 10 commandments. Or, more precisely, I never said we should look to the 10 commandments for guidance on how to live. Scripture tells that the Spirit replaces the Law as the source we should look to for guidance:

But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

The Spirit is not at odds with God’s law. The Spirit is given to help convict us of our sins for those who have not harden their hearts to the Truth sin is breaking the law 1 John 3:4, Romans 3:20 Romans 7:7 and the Spirit is given to those who want to keep the commandments John14:15-18 and given to those who obey. Acts 5:32.

Also when you see in scripture we should not murder , commit adultery or worship other gods etc all things you agree we should not do, this came from the commandments of God Exodus 20 written by Gods own finger again which reveal sin.1 John 3:4 Romans 7:7 Romans 3:20 If you think we should keep these commandments than you think we should keep the law. The Ten Commandments is the law written personally by God placed in the ark of the covenant in the Most Holy in the dwelling of our Savior and is under the mercy seat where Jesus sits and revealed in heaven. Revelation 11:19. Scripture tells us we will be judged by the Ten Commandments and you break one you break them all. James 2:10-12 (which is why the Ten are under the mercy seat in the Most Holy of God’s Temple) We are told those who willfully sin, there remains no more sacrifice Hebrews 10:26-30 and believe it or not all I am trying to do is help before its too late. God’s Commandments are not meant to be burdensome and is how we show love to God. 1 John 5:3. John 14:15, Exodus 20:6. Right now we have time to repent our sins and to turn to Christ and walk in obedience with Him out of love. If we repent Jesus is faithful and will forgive us, but when we repent, it means we have a changed heart, with a changed heart should come with changed behavior.

 

[Guojing]

Is that a Yes? You believe that
for Believers, all laws ended either at the cross or at the destruction of the Temple?

For us in the Body of Christ, we were never under the Law at anytime.

For those Jews of the nation Israel, the destruction of the temple at AD 70 was a sign that their gospel of the circumcision was no longer valid. The only gospel that could save them was the gospel of the uncircumcision (Galatians 2:7-9)