Has the Holy Spirit explicitly led you to keep the Sabbath?

[guevaraj]

God made an oath that those He was speaking to, would not enter the promised land, even Moses missed out.

Brother, that was a different "oath" than the one found in Hebrews 3 and 4! How do we know this? God tells us in the following quote that Joshua, who led them to the Promised Land after Moses, did not give them this "rest". Therefore, the rest is not coming to the Promised Land as you assumed based on another "oath" than the one in Hebrews 3 and 4 that did not allow them to enter God's rest. It is written that the "rest" in Hebrews 3 and 4 means the "rest" of God on the seventh day of creation, which Joshua could have given them if they had not assumed that the Sabbath was the seventh day of the week in the Promised Land as it was in creation week. For 40 years in the desert near the Promised Land, God countered that assumption with Manna, which did Joshua no good. Any other meaning given to the word "rest" is not God's message in Hebrews 3 and 4. In the following passage, "another day" refers to a day other than the one thought for the Sabbath since Joshua: not the seventh day of the week everywhere, but the seventh day of the creation week remembered in the time zone of creation.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Carl Emerson]

I wonder if we could return to the question from the OP...

Can the OP make clear what is meant by Sabbath.

I can think of three possibilities.

Which did you have in mind?

 

[sparow]

Brother, that was a different "oath" than the one found in Hebrews 3 and 4! How do we know this? God tells us in the following quote that Joshua, who led them to the Promised Land after Moses, did not give them this "rest". Therefore, the rest is not coming to the Promised Land as you assumed based on another "oath" than the one in Hebrews 3 and 4 that did not allow them to enter God's rest. It is written that the "rest" in Hebrews 3 and 4 means the "rest" of God on the seventh day of creation, which Joshua could have given them if they had not assumed that the Sabbath was the seventh day of the week in the Promised Land as it was in creation week. For 40 years in the desert near the Promised Land, God countered that assumption with Manna, which did Joshua no good. Any other meaning given to the word "rest" is not God's message in Hebrews 3 and 4. In the following passage, "another day" refers to a day other than the one thought for the Sabbath since Joshua: not the seventh day of the week everywhere, but the seventh day of the creation week remembered in the time zone of creation.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

I see Hebrews as one side of a debate between two unknown opponents. The other opponent is not entering into the new covenant; Hebrews is comparing the "not entering in" under Joshua with "not entering in" (to the covenant) under Jesus. All the talk about the Sabbath is argument made, entwined in their semantics;If I knew what the opponent was saying the following might make sense.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)

Presumably rest means Sabbath, logically, "this Sabbath" means "at the end of this week", The question is, who was Joshua that he or He could give them that Sabbath; how did Joshua fail; all he would need to do would be to say, "halt, take the day off", unless the were disobedient and did not stop; when did God speak of another day?

 

[guevaraj]

I see Hebrews as one side of a debate between two unknown opponents.

Brother, you are asking excellent questions about the message, which Hebrews 3 and 4 answers! The opponents are well defined in the message of Hebrews 3 and 4:

1. Those whose corpses lay in the wilderness who were unable to enter God's rest for 40 years.
   
2. Us in the new covenant with Jesus as our High Priest who can enter God's rest if we benefit from God not allowing them to enter the Sabbath during those 40 years with Manna that did Joshua no good.

The other opponent is not entering into the new covenant;

The "good news" that both opponents have is not the Gospel of Jesus, but how God did not allow them to enter the Sabbath during those 40 years with Manna that did Joshua no good. The news of how God did not allow those whose corpses lay in the wilderness to enter the Sabbath during those 40 years near the Promised Land, can help us to enter the Sabbath under the new covenant when Jesus finally rescues His Sabbath from the human tradition of Judaism about the Sabbath since Joshua.

Hebrews is comparing the "not entering in" under Joshua with "not entering in" (to the covenant) under Jesus.

We under the new covenant can listen to the instructions that did Joshua no good. We can listen to the instructions God gave both opponents during the 40 years with Manna about how God did not allowed those whose corpses lay in the wilderness to enter His Sabbath. What was available to both is not the new covenant but the instructions during the Manna, which did Joshua no good but can do us good under the new covenant, with Jesus correcting the human tradition of Judaism since Joshua.

All the talk about the Sabbath is argument made, entwined in their semantics;If I knew what the opponent was saying the following might make sense.

The Sabbath was not entered during those 40 years with Manna by those whose corpses lay in the wilderness, even though they kept the seventh day of the week, because they were keeping the wrong Sabbath near the Promised Land as punishment during those 40 years by "oath" that they later entered with Joshua in the Promised Land at a different time, though under Joshua they wrongly assumed that this other time was the seventh day of the week. They entered but did not have God's rest because of their wrong assumption about the Sabbath in the Promised Land being the seventh day of the week since Joshua.

Presumably rest means Sabbath, logically, "this Sabbath" means "at the end of this week", The question is, who was Joshua that he or He could give them that Sabbath;

Joshua was the leader that replaced Moses and led them to the Promised Land when they entered God's Sabbath at a different time than with Manna, but wrongly assumed that it was the seventh day of the week in the Promised Land, so that they did not have God's rest to keep the Sabbath outside of the time zone of the Promised Land.

how did Joshua fail; all he would need to do would be to say, "halt, take the day off", unless the were disobedient and did not stop;

Joshua failed by wrongly assuming that the Sabbath in the Promised Land was the seventh day of the week when God instructed, during the 40 years with Manna, that keeping the Seventh day near the Promised Land did not enter the Sabbath, that they later enter at a different time in the Promised Land that was not the seventh day of the week as they wrongly assumed.

when did God speak of another day?

God spoke of another day through David but it was not understood until He explained it in Hebrews 3 and 4 under the new covenant to finally rescue His Sabbath from the human tradition of Judaism since Joshua. Why did God wait until the new covenant to correct this human tradition? The correction was not necessary while the faithful were in the Promised Land, but under the new covenant, when we are outside the Promised Land, it becomes important to correct the Sabbath for us to enter the Sabbath outside the time zone of the Promised Land. The following is further confirmation that the Sabbath in the Promised Land is not a weekday but falls earlier between two weekdays.

long after the Sabbath (evening), as it dawns beyond Saturday (morning), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, to see the tomb. (Mathew 28:1, my own translation)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Brother, you are asking excellent questions about the message, which Hebrews 3 and 4 answers! The opponents are well defined in the message of Hebrews 3 and 4:

1. Those whose corpses lay in the wilderness who were unable to enter God's rest for 40 years.
   
2. Us in the new covenant with Jesus as our High Priest who can enter God's rest if we benefit from God not allowing them to enter the Sabbath during those 40 years with Manna that did Joshua no good.

The "good news" that both opponents have is not the Gospel of Jesus, but how God did not allow them to enter the Sabbath during those 40 years with Manna that did Joshua no good. The news of how God did not allow those whose corpses lay in the wilderness to enter the Sabbath during those 40 years near the Promised Land, can help us to enter the Sabbath under the new covenant when Jesus finally rescues His Sabbath from the human tradition of Judaism about the Sabbath since Joshua.

We under the new covenant can listen to the instructions that did Joshua no good. We can listen to the instructions God gave both opponents during the 40 years with Manna about how God did not allowed those whose corpses lay in the wilderness to enter His Sabbath. What was available to both is not the new covenant but the instructions during the Manna, which did Joshua no good but can do us good under the new covenant, with Jesus correcting the human tradition of Judaism since Joshua.

The Sabbath was not entered during those 40 years with Manna by those whose corpses lay in the wilderness, even though they kept the seventh day of the week, because they were keeping the wrong Sabbath near the Promised Land as punishment during those 40 years by "oath" that they later entered with Joshua in the Promised Land at a different time, though under Joshua they wrongly assumed that this other time was the seventh day of the week. They entered but did not have God's rest because of their wrong assumption about the Sabbath in the Promised Land being the seventh day of the week since Joshua.

Joshua was the leader that replaced Moses and led them to the Promised Land when they entered God's Sabbath at a different time than with Manna, but wrongly assumed that it was the seventh day of the week in the Promised Land, so that they did not have God's rest to keep the Sabbath outside of the time zone of the Promised Land.

Joshua failed by wrongly assuming that the Sabbath in the Promised Land was the seventh day of the week when God instructed, during the 40 years with Manna, that keeping the Seventh day near the Promised Land did not enter the Sabbath, that they later enter at a different time in the Promised Land that was not the seventh day of the week as they wrongly assumed.

God spoke of another day through David but it was not understood until He explained it in Hebrews 3 and 4 under the new covenant to finally rescue His Sabbath from the human tradition of Judaism since Joshua. Why did God wait until the new covenant to correct this human tradition? The correction was not necessary while the faithful were in the Promised Land, but under the new covenant, when we are outside the Promised Land, it becomes important to correct the Sabbath for us to enter the Sabbath outside the time zone of the Promised Land. The following is further confirmation that the Sabbath in the Promised Land is not a weekday but falls earlier between two weekdays.

long after the Sabbath (evening), as it dawns beyond Saturday (morning), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, to see the tomb. (Mathew 28:1, my own translation)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

No time zone mentioned in scripture, everyone can enjoy the blessing of the Sabbath like the scripture's states from evening to evening where they live. God is not restricted to time zones and this teaching is not one that is shown in scriptures. We should never teach people to break the commandments of God.

 

[Leaf473]

I don't want to derail this thread, so if anyone wants to talk about this in detail we could move to a different thread.

But related to recent posts, at some point the 7th evening has to wrap around and become the first evening. Where does this happen? At the international date line?

 

[guevaraj]

No time zone mentioned in scripture, everyone can enjoy the blessing of the Sabbath like the scripture's states from evening to evening where they live. God is not restricted to time zones and this teaching is not one that is shown in scriptures. We should never teach people to break the commandments of God.

Sister, here is an "it is written" that mentions the Sabbath time zone difference in the Promised Land.

long after the Sabbath (evening), as it dawns beyond Saturday (morning), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, to see the tomb. (Mathew 28:1, my own translation)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[guevaraj]

I don't want to derail this thread, so if anyone wants to talk about this in detail we could move to a different thread. But related to recent posts, at some point the 7th evening has to wrap around and become the first evening. Where does this happen? At the international date line?

Brother, the reason the British were able to move the International Date Line (IDL) to the left is because hardly anyone lives there to protest the British giving Greenwich England prominence over God's prime meridian since the beginning of the counting of the days, with the week. Those who hold on to the rightmost bulge on the International Date Line are the ones with God's prime meridian to this day, as recorded on the Sabbath established at creation.

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, the reason the British were able to move the International Date Line (IDL) to the left is because hardly anyone lives there to protest the British giving Greenwich England prominence over God's prime meridian since the beginning of the counting of the days, with the week. Those who hold on to the rightmost bulge on the International Date Line are the ones with God's prime meridian to this day, as recorded on the Sabbath established at creation.

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Hi Jorge,

I believe you and I have talked about this at length on another thread and I understand your position that the Sabbath starts at sunset in Jerusalem. Then, one simply finds out what time that is local time and starts the Sabbath then. It could be noon on Friday.

My post was addressed to the vast majority of "Sabbath keepers" who believe that the start of the Sabbath moves West around the earth as the sunset moves West. At some point, the westward moving seventh sunset has to become the first sunset, the start of the first day.

 

[Bob S]

Since the Sabbath starts at the IDL countries like Australia, New Zealand and westward to Mt Sinai are keeping Sabbath a day early. The fact is no one cares as long as they think they are pleasing God by at least doing something.

Now back to the intent of the OP. The reason the Holy Spirit is not prompting us to observe a day is because there is no such command in the covenant Jesus gave all mankind at Calvary. The SDA church spend countless millions trying to convince their hearers that the Sabbath is binding on everyone.

 

[guevaraj]

Since the Sabbath starts at the IDL countries like Australia, New Zealand and westward to Mt Sinai are keeping Sabbath a day early. The fact is no one cares as long as they think they are pleasing God by at least doing something. Now back to the intent of the OP. The reason the Holy Spirit is not prompting us to observe a day is because there is no such command in the covenant Jesus gave all mankind at Calvary. The SDA church spend countless millions trying to convince their hearers that the Sabbath is binding on everyone.

Brother, the reason the Holy Spirit is not helping to spread Judaism's Sabbath to Christians who live outside of the Promised Land is because it is a human tradition that Jesus corrects in Hebrews 3 and 4 about the Sabbath not being the seventh day of the week everywhere, assumed since Joshua, when it is only the seventh day of the creation week which falls before the seventh day of the week in the Promised Land.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

That is why the Holy Spirit will not help a Christian to give up one human tradition of Sunday worship for another human tradition of Saturday worship when no one has the truth about the biblical Sabbath established on the week of creation.

The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[sparow]

Brother, you are asking excellent questions about the message, which Hebrews 3 and 4 answers! The opponents are well defined in the message of Hebrews 3 and 4:

1. Those whose corpses lay in the wilderness who were unable to enter God's rest for 40 years.
   
2. Us in the new covenant with Jesus as our High Priest who can enter God's rest if we benefit from God not allowing them to enter the Sabbath during those 40 years with Manna that did Joshua no good.

The "good news" that both opponents have is not the Gospel of Jesus, but how God did not allow them to enter the Sabbath during those 40 years with Manna that did Joshua no good. The news of how God did not allow those whose corpses lay in the wilderness to enter the Sabbath during those 40 years near the Promised Land, can help us to enter the Sabbath under the new covenant when Jesus finally rescues His Sabbath from the human tradition of Judaism about the Sabbath since Joshua.

We under the new covenant can listen to the instructions that did Joshua no good. We can listen to the instructions God gave both opponents during the 40 years with Manna about how God did not allowed those whose corpses lay in the wilderness to enter His Sabbath. What was available to both is not the new covenant but the instructions during the Manna, which did Joshua no good but can do us good under the new covenant, with Jesus correcting the human tradition of Judaism since Joshua.

The Sabbath was not entered during those 40 years with Manna by those whose corpses lay in the wilderness, even though they kept the seventh day of the week, because they were keeping the wrong Sabbath near the Promised Land as punishment during those 40 years by "oath" that they later entered with Joshua in the Promised Land at a different time, though under Joshua they wrongly assumed that this other time was the seventh day of the week. They entered but did not have God's rest because of their wrong assumption about the Sabbath in the Promised Land being the seventh day of the week since Joshua.

Joshua was the leader that replaced Moses and led them to the Promised Land when they entered God's Sabbath at a different time than with Manna, but wrongly assumed that it was the seventh day of the week in the Promised Land, so that they did not have God's rest to keep the Sabbath outside of the time zone of the Promised Land.

Joshua failed by wrongly assuming that the Sabbath in the Promised Land was the seventh day of the week when God instructed, during the 40 years with Manna, that keeping the Seventh day near the Promised Land did not enter the Sabbath, that they later enter at a different time in the Promised Land that was not the seventh day of the week as they wrongly assumed.

God spoke of another day through David but it was not understood until He explained it in Hebrews 3 and 4 under the new covenant to finally rescue His Sabbath from the human tradition of Judaism since Joshua. Why did God wait until the new covenant to correct this human tradition? The correction was not necessary while the faithful were in the Promised Land, but under the new covenant, when we are outside the Promised Land, it becomes important to correct the Sabbath for us to enter the Sabbath outside the time zone of the Promised Land. The following is further confirmation that the Sabbath in the Promised Land is not a weekday but falls earlier between two weekdays.

long after the Sabbath (evening), as it dawns beyond Saturday (morning), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, to see the tomb. (Mathew 28:1, my own translation)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Hebrews 3 claims Christ was a more worthy advocate or mediator than Moses or Joshua; this one reason why the new covenant is better than the old. The opponents are not well defined; one maybe Paul but who is being referred to in Hebrews 5:12. Has anyone ever been prevented by God from keeping the Sabbath commandment, not that I am aware of; the Beast has stopped Israel from keeping the Sabbath, at times.

I believe you have been mislead; I refuse to believe the SDA teach the stuff you postulate.

 

[Bob S]

Hi Sparow, Are you SDA? If not have you really made a through study of their belief system? Of course the church does not espouse what Jorge is trying to sell. To go any further into this is not appropriate in this thread.

The question is: Has the Holy Spirit explicitly led you to keep the Sabbath? How would you answer that question? I personally have to say absolutely not. It was the SDAs that convinced me that the fourth commandment is binding. I had never made a study of God's covenants and didn't realize that the Sinai covenant was exclusively for those who came out of bondage in Egypt. The Sinai covenant was the only covenant that required the keeping of days. The new covenant has no stipulations on the keeping of days.

 

[guevaraj]

Hebrews 3 claims Christ was a more worthy advocate or mediator than Moses or Joshua; this one reason why the new covenant is better than the old. The opponents are not well defined; one maybe Paul but who is being referred to in Hebrews 5:12. Has anyone ever been prevented by God from keeping the Sabbath commandment, not that I am aware of; the Beast has stopped Israel from keeping the Sabbath, at times. I believe you have been mislead; I refuse to believe the SDA teach the stuff you postulate.

Brother, Hebrews 3 and 4 compare us in the new covenant with those "whose corpses lay in the wilderness"! For forty years, God by "oath" prevented those "whose corpses lay in the wilderness" from entering His "rest" with Manna. Forcing them with Manna to keep the seventh day of the week near the Promised Land, where the Sabbath is entered earlier, from evening to evening, and not on the seventh day of the week from morning to morning. God taught us and them in the desert for 40 years how not to enter His "rest" by keeping the seventh day of the week outside the time zone of Eden, which did Joshua no good when they assumed incorrectly that the Sabbath in Jerusalem is the seventh day of the week "because they didn't share the faith of those who listened to God".

And who was it who rebelled against God, even though they heard his voice? Wasn’t it the people Moses led out of Egypt? And who made God angry for FORTY YEARS? Wasn’t it the people who sinned, whose corpses lay in the wilderness? And to whom was God speaking when he took an oath that they would never enter his rest? Wasn’t it the people who disobeyed him? So we see that because of their unbelief they were not able to enter his rest. God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an OATH: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” (Hebrews 3:16-19, 4:1-5 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Hebrews 3 claims Christ was a more worthy advocate or mediator than Moses or Joshua; this one reason why the new covenant is better than the old. The opponents are not well defined; one maybe Paul but who is being referred to in Hebrews 5:12. Has anyone ever been prevented by God from keeping the Sabbath commandment, not that I am aware of; the Beast has stopped Israel from keeping the Sabbath, at times.

I believe you have been mislead; I refuse to believe the SDA teach the stuff you postulate.

This is not an SDA teaching, far from it. It’s a belief of this one individual who does not represent the SDA church and teaches the opposite of what the church and scriptures teach.

 

[guevaraj]

The question is: Has the Holy Spirit explicitly led you to keep the Sabbath? How would you answer that question? I personally have to say absolutely not. It was the SDAs that convinced me that the fourth commandment is binding. I had never made a study of God's covenants and didn't realize that the Sinai covenant was exclusively for those who came out of bondage in Egypt. The Sinai covenant was the only covenant that required the keeping of days. The new covenant has no stipulations on the keeping of days.

Brother, according to Hebrews 3 and 4, we keep God's "rest" holy by entering the Sabbath at the appointed time and not entering any other time. The "rest" spoken of in Hebrews 3 and 4 "has been ready since He made the world". God did not give them this "rest" for 40 years with Manna, them keeping a seventh day Sabbath from morning to morning which was correct in Eden, but not near the Promised Land until they reached the Promised Land and kept a Sabbath from evening to evening that is not a day of the week as defined in Genesis from morning to morning and confirmed below, because the Sabbath remembered is in the time zone of creation.

long after the Sabbath (evening), as it dawns beyond Saturday (morning), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, to see the tomb. (Mathew 28:1, my own translation)​

Although God gave them His Sabbath in the Promised Land, under Joshua they did not understand the "rest" of God's Sabbath to keep the Sabbath outside the time zone of the Promised Land. To correct this misunderstanding since Joshua, "God set another time for entering His rest, and that time is today", in the new covenant with the call in Hebrews 3 and 4 to keep God's true Sabbath "rest". The "rest" that God wants us to enter "today", in the new covenant when believers find themselves living outside the time zone of the Promised Land, "has been ready since He made the world".

For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience. (Hebrews 4:8-11 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[guevaraj]

This is not an SDA teaching, far from it. It’s a belief of this one individual who does not represent the SDA church and teaches the opposite of what the church and scriptures teach.

Sister, the inspiration of God on our prophetess knew of it when she wrote on behalf of God, but she did not understand what she wrote. Like Daniel telling us that he did not understand God's message about the future and God telling him that it was not for him to understand and seal the words to be understood in the future. The angel told us through her what we will learn after learning "what even is". We will learn "when it is"! Even falls in the middle of the first day and not as supposed at the beginning, because the Sabbath in the Promised Land is not as supposed a day of the week. Note that the angel speaks positively, that we will "understand, but not yet, not yet". God helped our church understand the longest time to make this correction by holding an incorrect hour for more than 8 years before doing the Bible study to learn more, "what even is", that she confirmed here, but there was more to learn in the future.

I saw that it is even so: “From even unto even, shall ye celebrate your Sabbath.” Said the angel: “Take the word of God, read it, understand, and ye cannot err. Read carefully, and ye shall there find what even is, and when it is.” I asked the angel if the frown of God had been upon His people for commencing the Sabbath as they had. I was directed back to the first rise of the Sabbath, and followed the people of God up to this time, but did not see that the Lord was displeased, or frowned upon them. I inquired why it had been thus, that at this late day we must change the time of commencing the Sabbath. Said the angel: “Ye shall understand, but not yet, not yet.” Said the angel: “If light come, and that light is set aside or rejected, then comes condemnation and the frown of God; but before the light comes, there is no sin, for there is no light for them to reject.” I saw that it was in the minds of some that the Lord had shown that the Sabbath commenced at six o'clock, when I had only seen that it commenced at “even,” and it was inferred that even was at six. I saw that the servants of God must draw together, press together. (Testimonies for the Church, vol. 1, Page 116)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Sister, the inspiration of God on our prophetess knew of it when she wrote on behalf of God, but she did not understand what she wrote. Like Daniel telling us that he did not understand God's message about the future and God telling him that it was not for him to understand and seal the words to be understood in the future. The angel told us through her what we will learn after learning "what even is". We will learn "when it is"! Even falls in the middle of the first day and not as supposed at the beginning, because the Sabbath in the Promised Land is not as supposed a day of the week. Note that the angel speaks positively, that we will "understand, but not yet, not yet". God helped our church understand the longest time to make this correction by holding an incorrect hour for more than 8 years before doing the Bible study to learn more, "what even is", that she confirmed here, but there was more to learn in the future.

I saw that it is even so: “From even unto even, shall ye celebrate your Sabbath.” Said the angel: “Take the word of God, read it, understand, and ye cannot err. Read carefully, and ye shall there find what even is, and when it is.” I asked the angel if the frown of God had been upon His people for commencing the Sabbath as they had. I was directed back to the first rise of the Sabbath, and followed the people of God up to this time, but did not see that the Lord was displeased, or frowned upon them. I inquired why it had been thus, that at this late day we must change the time of commencing the Sabbath. Said the angel: “Ye shall understand, but not yet, not yet.” Said the angel: “If light come, and that light is set aside or rejected, then comes condemnation and the frown of God; but before the light comes, there is no sin, for there is no light for them to reject.” I saw that it was in the minds of some that the Lord had shown that the Sabbath commenced at six o'clock, when I had only seen that it commenced at “even,” and it was inferred that even was at six. I saw that the servants of God must draw together, press together. (Testimonies for the Church, vol. 1, Page 116)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Please consider what you are teaching and you are bringing people away from God’s commandments and teaching others to break the Sabbath. Anyone can enjoy the biblical Sabbath from Friday evening to Saturday evening in their own time zone.

 

[Leaf473]

If the idea is that the Holy Spirit would never lead anyone to keep a Sabbath that is fixed to Jerusalem time, I think it would be good to present scripture passages to support that.

Something saying that the beginning of the Sabbath moves West with the rotation of the Earth would be helpful. Also something saying where the 7th day sunset becomes the 1st day sunset.

Peace be with you all!

 

[Bob S]

Some believe the Godhead keeps the old covenant Sabbath that was given only to those at Sinai and their posterity. That would mean that in place of God resting from creation for 24 hours, the
Godhead would be resting for 48 hours if it were true that mankind has been instructed to observe a day.