Dying Souls are Given a Last Chance: St. Faustina

[eastcoast_bsc]

Sister Faustina in her diary talks of a final grace an interior vivid moment where where we can accept the grace and forgiveness of God.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Is this an official catholic thing?

 

[pdudgeon]

Is this an official catholic thing?

Yes, it is.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Yes, it is.

Thanks for the confirm.

 

[WarriorAngel]

Is this an official catholic thing?

Remember the master of the vineyard calls workers in the last hour.
Having faith and accepting His graces.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Remember the master of the vineyard calls workers in the last hour.
Having faith and accepting His graces.

It's fine, I know that God will do more than I can imagine or think, so it's not a problem.

 

[WarriorAngel]

Sister Faustina in her diary talks of a final grace an interior vivid moment where where we can accept the grace and forgiveness of God.

I offer up the intention in Mass for all special graces for all sinners that will die this year.
Every Mass... every year.

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

Remember the master of the vineyard calls workers in the last hour.
Having faith and accepting His graces.

Indeed, but I've always seen that as a way of stressing the equality of all sinners. We're all saved by grace, and nothing makes one person more or less worthy of salvation than the next. Its a gift freely given to us by Christ himself.
The last hour workers only worked for one hour, but they did som actual work.
To me that sounds like conversions made late in life, but not in the afterlife. How can they have worked at all if they didnt believe in Christ during their life on earth?

I'm not convinced about the authenticity of the sainthood of Sr. Faustina nor her visions. Besides I find theology like this to speculative for my taste. I live by the rule that we know one route to salvation, but we cannot know if there are others leading to heaven aswell.
In the face of one path of certainty and others based upon uncertainty we're called to seek the one path we do know for sure will lead to heaven. That is choosing Christ in this life and trust in his mercy. Anything else is hazardous and puts our eternity in jeopardy.

This is the gospel that we should preach, not that of st. Faustina.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I'm curious, (after the previous post) do Catholics pray for the dead if they think they're not saved?

Would appreciate the catholics in the room clearing that up for me. Just confirming.

 

[seashale76]

I'm curious, (after the previous post) do Catholics pray for the dead if they think they're not saved?

Would appreciate the catholics in the room clearing that up for me. Just confirming.

What people think regarding the salvation of the deceased doesn't matter. We just pray for the dead.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

What people think regarding the salvation of the deceased doesn't matter. We just pray for the dead.

Thank you for clearing that up.

What is the general reason for praying for them?

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

I'm curious, (after the previous post) do Catholics pray for the dead if they think they're not saved?

Would appreciate the catholics in the room clearing that up for me. Just confirming.

Yes we do. We dont know Gods verdict on someone's life and how he ultimately judges individuals. Besides, God is above and transcends the limits of time. A prayer said for the salvation of someones soul could in fact work retroactively for all we know. Its also good and pious for our own souls to care for those who've passed away.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Yes we do. We cannot know Gods verdict on someone's life and how he ultimately judges individuals. Besides, God is above and transcends the limits of time. A prayer said for the salvation of someones soul could in fact work retroactively for all we know. Its also good and pious for our own souls to care for those who've passed away.

Thank you for your answer.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

Indeed, but I've always seen that as a way of stressing the equality of all sinners. We're all saved by grace, and nothing makes one person more or less worthy of salvation than the next. Its a gift freely given to us by Christ himself.
The last hour workers only worked for one hour, but they did som actual work.
To me that sounds like conversions made late in life, but not in the afterlife. How can they have worked at all if they didnt believe in Christ during their life on earth?

I'm not convinced about the authenticity of the sainthood of Sr. Faustina nor her visions. Besides I find theology like this to speculative for my taste. I live by the rule that we know one route to salvation, but we cannot know if there are others leading to heaven aswell.
In the face of one path of certainty and others based upon uncertainty we're called to seek the one path we do know for sure will lead to heaven. That is choosing Christ in this life and trust in his mercy. Anything else is hazardous and puts our eternity in jeopardy.

This is the gospel that we should preach, not that of st. Faustina.

You mention your not convinced of the authenticity of of the sainthood of Sr. Faustina. You may disagree with her sainthood but she is authentically a Catholic saint.

In 1965, with the approval of the Holy Office, Karol Wojtyła, then Archbishop of Kraków and later Pope John Paul II, opened the initial informative process into Kowalska's life and virtues, interviewed witnesses and, in 1967, submitted a number of documents about Kowalska to the Vatican and requested the start of the official process of her beatification. That was begun in 1968 and concluded with her beatification on 18 April 1993.[52] She was canonised on 30 April 2000,[3][4] and her feast day is 5 October.

 

[seashale76]

You mention your not convinced of the authenticity of of the sainthood of Sr. Faustina. You may disagree with her sainthood but she is authentically a Catholic saint.

St. Faustina is one of the saints I've actually had an experience with (the other two being St. Herman of Alaska and St. Therese of Lisieux). I was in a parish and lit a candle in front of the Divine Mercy image. I immediately had the sense that there was something there. When I looked up I saw a reliquary which held a relic of St. Faustina. I knew nothing about her at the time. However, I was completely convinced that she's legit.

 

[WarriorAngel]

Indeed, but I've always seen that as a way of stressing the equality of all sinners. We're all saved by grace, and nothing makes one person more or less worthy of salvation than the next. Its a gift freely given to us by Christ himself.
The last hour workers only worked for one hour, but they did som actual work.
To me that sounds like conversions made late in life, but not in the afterlife. How can they have worked at all if they didnt believe in Christ during their life on earth?

I'm not convinced about the authenticity of the sainthood of Sr. Faustina nor her visions. Besides I find theology like this to speculative for my taste. I live by the rule that we know one route to salvation, but we cannot know if there are others leading to heaven aswell.
In the face of one path of certainty and others based upon uncertainty we're called to seek the one path we do know for sure will lead to heaven. That is choosing Christ in this life and trust in his mercy. Anything else is hazardous and puts our eternity in jeopardy.

This is the gospel that we should preach, not that of st. Faustina.

If He is pouring graces abundantly on someone before He calls them into spirit, He says to those who worked all day...
What is it to you I pay the same wages?

Rejoice and be glad if they respond well to His call.

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

You mention your not convinced of the authenticity of of the sainthood of Sr. Faustina. You may disagree with her sainthood but she is authentically a Catholic saint.

Be that as it may, but ever since the closing of the 2nd Vatican council the canonical legitimacy of sainthood has imploded dramatically. Just think about it for a minute, and then mention one post- counciliar
pope who's not either canonized already or in the prosess of being so in near future? All of them are saints, right...?

 

[WarriorAngel]

Be that as it may, but ever since the closing of the 2nd Vatican council the canonical legitimacy of sainthood has imploded dramatically. Just think about it for a minute, and then mention one post- counciliar
pope who's not either canonized already or in the prosess of being so in near future? All of them are saints, right...?

They look for medical cures that would otherwise be impossible. So if that occurs, then the process is seemingly faster.
There have to be a number of cures also.
It's not just because their roles...

 

[RileyG]

I'm curious, (after the previous post) do Catholics pray for the dead if they think they're not saved?

Would appreciate the catholics in the room clearing that up for me. Just confirming.

I offer prayers for all the dead. God uses those prayers to help anyone he chooses.

God is outside of time and is not limited by our finite minds. We truly do not know the state of anyone' soul after death, except for those who the Church recognizes as canonized saints or blessed.