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The correct extension of your analogy would be for you to complain about 92 elements making 175000 molecules,
I have nothing to complain about.

I'm agreeing with Pete that, as he said, 'There is very little difference in DNA.'

If all DNA was different, as another poster was wondering, then, as I said, it would make Star Trek look like Little House on the Prairie.

Everything would be grotesque looking.

Imagine, for example, every single genus of "beast of the earth" or "fowl of the air" having different eye colors.

We can combine just twenty-six letters of the alphabet to make up our entire vocabulary.
 
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I have nothing to complain about.

You spend an awful lot of time on this site on nothing then.

If all DNA was different, as another poster was wondering, then, as I said, it would make Star Trek look like Little House on the Prairie.

Everything would be grotesque looking.

Says who? Who gets to define grotesque? Why would any of this conform to your imaging? Why would it matter if every bird had a different eye color?
 
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Who gets to define grotesque?
Gene Roddenberry?

Do you really think those non-human aliens on Star Trek are good-looking?

Not to mention the plants.
 
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Prove scientifically that the Theory of Evolution is invalid.
The Cambrian Explosion (CE) disproves the Theory of Evolution (ToE) in one fell swoop, for the following reasons:

1. ToE predicts that any multicellular organism will be preceded by evolutionary ancestors. However, all of the animals that appeared during the CE did so fully-formed, with no evidence of evolutionary links to ancestors.

There is fossil evidence of pre-Cambian life forms, but there exists no fossil evidence of evolutionary links between them and the Cambrian biota. To make matters worse (for ToE), fossil evidence suggests that the Ediacaran biota that preceded the Cambrian suffered a mass extinction.
Likewise, there is no evidence of evolutionary links between the "small, shelly fauna" (that appeared after the Ediacaran biota and at the very beginning of the Cambrian) and the explosion of animal forms that appeared later in the Cambrian.


2. ToE predicts diversity followed much later by disparity. However, the CE reveals the opposite happened - disparity first, followed by diversity.

3. ToE predicts that all life on earth will form a single "tree" of common descent, so all Phyla will be connected by phylogenic "branches". However, the many Phyla that appeared during the CE don't form anything that even comes close a single tree of common descent. On the contrary, the CE Phyla form what could be described as an "orchard" - many separate trees that are not connected by any phylogenic branches whatsoever.

4. ToE predicts a never-ending expansion of new animal Phyla, but all the known animal Phyla (except one) appeared during the CE.


"Three billion years of unicellularity, followed by five million years of intense creativity and then capped by more than 500 million years of variation on set anatomical themes can scarcely be read as a predictable, inexorable or continuous trend toward progress or increasing complexity." Gould S.J., "The Evolution of Life on the Earth," Scientific American, Vol. 271, No. 4, October 1994, p.67


"The seemingly sudden appearance of skeletonized life has been one of the most perplexing puzzles of the fossil record. How is it that animals as complex as trilobites and brachiopods could spring forth so suddenly, completely formed, without a trace of their ancestors in the underlying strata? If ever there was evidence suggesting Divine Creation, surely the Precambrian and Cambrian transition, known from numerous localities across the face of the earth, is it. " (Peter Douglas Ward. 1992. On Methuselah's Trail: Living fossils and the Great Extinctions. p. 29)
Please don’t say that there are no transitional fossils. Many have been discovered.
Oh, you mean like Archaeopteryx - the "transitional fossil" that supposedly links dinosaurs to birds? Evidently, to be a paleontologist, the first prerequisite is to possess a very vivid imagination!

I've learnt to take "transitional fossil" claims with a very large grain of salt, because evolution science is crawling with deluded dreamers, story-tellers, myth-makers and con-men.

My understanding is that the fossil record lacks transitional fossils between Phyla, which represents a big problem for ToE.
Don’t say there are gaps. Whenever a transitional fossil is found more gaps are created.
S. J. Gould wrote that, in light of the fossil record, Darwin's theory of gradualism is an "embarrassment" (The Panda's Thumb, p.. That says it all, really.
If you are correct that evolution creates atheists then why do so many people like me believe in G-d and accept evolution?
Because they're naive, gullible and deceived victims of the biggest con-job in the history of science. They think all those scientists can't possibly be wrong (herd instinct) and that scientists are incapable of bias, flights of fantasy or deceit.
It all depends on your understanding of Genesis.
I don't need Genesis to recognize the Theory of Evolution as junk science.
 
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That's Jesus' job, in my opinion.

A task reserved for Him, when He comes back.

He may just take evolutionists back in time to 4004 BC ... to the Creation Week ... and let them observe for themselves what happened.
I find it interesting that, according to the Jewish calender, it has been 5782 years since the creation of Adam. The Catholic Church comes up with a similar number. I accept those figures as close to the truth.
 
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I find it interesting that, according to the Jewish calender, it has been 5782 years since the creation of Adam. The Catholic Church comes up with a similar number. I accept those figures as close to the truth.
Ya ... I like to use Ussher's dates myself.

Either method makes our point that the earth's history is MUCH SHORTER than evolutionists make it out to be.

We don't play loose with the decimal point and just slide it around to make things fit.
 
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Useless?

Evolutionary science has led to fundamental and consistent explanations for the facts of biology and it is instrumental in the practicalities of how we deal with viruses and vaccines.
I agree 100%. But you're barking up the wrong tree and misrepresenting my position. The "useless" evolutionary theories I was referring to are those concerning origins - you know, what supposedly happened millions of years ago. I was not referring to the practical and useful empirical evolution that you've alluded to.

I used Gould's musings as an examplar of useless evo-theories ... his pseudo-scientific stories contributed nothing whatsoever to applied science.
 
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Ya ... I like to use Ussher's dates myself.
What number does he come up with?
Either method makes our point that the earth's history is MUCH SHORTER than evolutionists make it out to be.
I believe life on earth began long before Adam was created, but knowing how biased and untrustworthy scienists can be when it comes to evolution and origins, I'm very skeptical about the time-frames they present.
Human beings have existed for 300,000 years? I don't think so. Less than 10,000 years is more like it.
We don't play loose with the decimal point and just slide it around to make things fit.
Moving the decimal point waaaaay to the right makes macroevolution seem more plausible. Deep time is like a magic wand that makes it look possible for bugs to turn into human beings.
 
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Except that evolution CAN be tested, HAS been tested and IS tested.

For someone who rails so much against the theory of evolution, you aren't doing anything to show that it's wrong. All you're doing is going "IT'S WRONG!" and that's it.
Depends what you mean by "evolution".

How do you test the theory, for example, that eyes evolved via a process of mutations and natural selection?
 
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What number does he come up with?
Usher calculates the beginning of time as: October 23, 4004 BC.

He dates the Flood at 2348 BC, and has other dates as well.

Of course, we don't know that for sure, but as I said, it makes my points for me; and if he's off by a couple hundred years ... well ... it's just a matter of degrees, compared to evolution.
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Moving the decimal point waaaaay to the right makes macroevolution seem more plausible. Deep time is like a magic wand that makes it look possible for bugs to turn into human beings.
Agreed.

I was once asked to name one specific thing that would make evolution impossible, and I answered: "time."
 
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Have you seen any non-dogs pull of that stunt?
My question is:
If a human can evolve from a fish, why can't a non-dog (theoretically) evolve from a dog?

If you don't know why, just say "I don't know."
 
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Usher calculates the beginning of time as: October 23, 4004 BC.

He dates the Flood at 2348 BC, and has other dates as well.

Of course, we don't know that for sure, but as I said, it makes my points for me; and if he's off by a couple hundred years ... well ... it's just a matter of degrees, compared to evolution.Agreed.

I was once asked to name one specific thing that would make evolution impossible, and I answered: "time."
The magic wand of "deep time" is waved in the sphere of abiogenesis as well. Deep time apparently makes the rank absurdity of a living, self-replicating organism arising by chance much easier to swallow.
But that's as irrational (and thetefore as unscientific) as thinking, "given enough time, a forrest can eventually produce a log cabin."
 
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My question is:
If a human can evolve from a fish, why can't a non-dog (theoretically) evolve from a dog?

If you don't know why, just say "I don't know."
Watch some act like you're asking:

"If a fish can have her eggs fertilized, then hatch human beings; why can't a giraffe get pregnant and give birth to a Doberman?"
 
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The magic wand of "deep time" is waved in the sphere of abiogenesis as well.
Abiogenesis has been detached from biological evolution* and placed into another subcategory of cosmic evolution: Chemical Evolution.

That way, they only have to debate "survival of species," not "arrival of species."

* Bob Johnson, the voice on the tape of Mission: Impossible, said it best:

"As always, if you or any member of your IM force be caught or killed, the Secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions."
 
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My question is:
If a human can evolve from a fish, why can't a non-dog (theoretically) evolve from a dog?

If you don't know why, just say "I don't know."

Do you understand how classification works in biology? As in, how cladograms and phylogentic trees work?

If a population descendant from modern dogs (canis familiaris) becomes distinct enough to be classified as a new species, it will always retain its evolutionary lineage. So, it will always remain a species within the canis genus. And it will always remain within the wider canidae family. And a member of the carnivora order. And so on and so forth, back through the branches of evolutionary history

Even if a creature becomes totally different morphologically and in terms of the environment it inhabits it will still retain membership of its ancestral groups. So whales and giraffes, for instance, are both members of the order artiodactyla. And will always remain so.

Humans evolved from fish in the same way that all other vertebrates (amphibians, mammals, reptiles and birds) evolved from fish.
 
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Abiogenesis has been detached from biological evolution* and placed into another subcategory of cosmic evolution: Chemical Evolution.
Watch that space though .. as soon as the test results 'come in', I predict you'll see that switch 'flicked'.
Its not about avoiding anything. Its about having the discipline of patience in waiting for results.
 
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