Trudeau dictatorship was seen coming 7 years ago, by the Huffington Post

[rambot]

So you're only assuming 10% based on a very false assumption that the only people out there protesting were unvaccinated. I had wondered where you got that 10% from and it seems that it was made up (probably by government media) and not based on actual evidence.

No. I put up a link where an industry representative quotes that number. I believe it was 92% vaxxed.

But I know your skepticism feeds into bias. But nope you'd be wrong.

 

[rambot]

So you're only assuming 10% based on a very false assumption that the only people out there protesting were unvaccinated. I had wondered where you got that 10% from and it seems that it was made up (probably by government media) and not based on actual evidence.

You're projecting....assuming I assumed.

I posted the link earlier in the threads. It was quoted from an industry representative.

I watched you guys completely foggy headed with the opium of the far right internet, believe that these protests were beloved throughout Canada. Wronggo.

Just so wrong.

 

[bekkilyn]

No. I put up a link where an industry representative quotes that number. I believe it was 92% vaxxed.

But I know your skepticism feeds into bias. But nope you'd be wrong.

So if your industry rep is correct in that 92% of workers in Canada are vaxxed, then it would only indicate that even more of the working people out there protesting were also vaxxed. The protest wasn't against the vaccine. It was against the mandates. Many people are for the vaccine but strongly opposed to the mandates.

 

[rambot]

So if your industry rep is correct in that 92% of workers in Canada are vaxxed, then it would only indicate that even more of the working people out there protesting were also vaxxed. The protest wasn't against the vaccine. It was against the mandates. Many people are for the vaccine but strongly opposed to the mandates.

Nope. Workers in that industry, just to clarify

The truckers were initially against mandated vaccines to go over the border. I classify that as antivaccine though I could see why you'd argue it's anti mandate

 

[Ana the Ist]

Yet again...it's not a claim. The fact was that a state of emergency was declared by the Canadian government.

Oh ok...you're not saying that you think it's an emergency. You're saying that the Canadian government called it an emergency.

As far as you know, it's not an emergency.

Is that what you're saying here?

 

[bekkilyn]

Nope. Workers in that industry, just to clarify

And yet many if not most of the truckers in the convoy were vaccinated so the industry rep number doesn't mean much of anything.

 

[timothyu]

The truckers were initially against mandated vaccines to go over the border. I classify that as antivaccine though I could see why you'd argue it's anti mandate

Yet most of them were vaccinated. Go figure.

 

[timothyu]

You're saying that the Canadian government called it an emergency.

Yes the money wasn't flowing upstream.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Isn't it interesting how the old right seems to have disappeared, the left of the 60's is now the right and who knows what the new left is other than resembling cable news and the me movement.

It's surprising to see the group that claimed to value certain things so strongly they were worth fighting for....just abandon those ideals at the moment they appeared unfashionable.

 

[bekkilyn]

Nope. Workers in that industry, just to clarify

The truckers were initially against mandated vaccines to go over the border. I classify that as antivaccine though I could see why you'd argue it's anti mandate

If they were anti-vaccine, they wouldn't be vaccinated. It's anti-mandate because the truckers (both vaccinated and not vaccinated) stated it as such. They want the mandates dropped. They're not trying to get rid of the vaccine or forbid people from getting it.

 

[rambot]

And yet many if not most of the truckers in the convoy were vaccinated so the industry rep number doesn't mean much of anything.

Really? What's the data there?

 

[rambot]

Yet most of them were vaccinated. Go figure.

As I said, the goals of the convey morphed as it progresses.

 

[bekkilyn]

It's surprising to see the group that claimed to value certain things so strongly they were worth fighting for....just abandon those ideals at the moment they appeared unfashionable.

It's apparently why I've been pushed out of the left along with many others who have since been designated as "far right extremist" for disagreeing with the radicals who have currently become the establishment. The left seem to have sadly abandoned their liberal values.

 

[timothyu]

It's surprising to see the group that claimed to value certain things so strongly they were worth fighting for....just abandon those ideals at the moment they appeared unfashionable.

I'm thinking unless there is money coming in, celebrity or likes on the web, that we will just have to wait until the next time they are needed for some elitist cause.

 

[bekkilyn]

Really? What's the data there?

If you actually went out and talked to the truckers and/or listened to them speak vs. whatever propaganda government media continues to pander, you would hear them say it for themselves.

 

[timothyu]

As I said, the goals of the convey morphed as it progresses.

By the originators or the parasites who latched on? We watch Putin attack Ukraine claiming Ukraine was a threat even though Ukraine never lifted a finger to anyone. Trudeau made the same claim towards a similarly non aggressive faction.

 

[rambot]

If you actually went out and talked to the truckers and/or listened to them speak vs. whatever propaganda government media continues to pander, you would hear them say it for themselves.

So no data?

 

[bekkilyn]

So no data?

I gave you better. I pointed you directly to the source of any data that could be collected.

 

[Ana the Ist]

You should have dug deeper.

First up, it wasn't a study either commissioned or endorsed by John Hopkins.

That's a little deceptive but plenty of valid studies do this.

Secondly, only one of the authors works at JH.

Unless the others got degrees from DeVry, I'm not worried about it.

Thirdly, he and the other two authors are not medical experts but economic ones.

Eh....this is kind of a valid concern? It depends upon whether or not their data set for covid deaths prevented is pretty rigorous and reliable (and comes from the medical field). I'm inclined to think that it does.

To put it another way....let's imagine a group of virologists do a study showing that the effects of the lockdown were positive.

Would you find it suspicious that they didn't include any economists?

Fourthly, it's not a peer reviewed study. It's a self described 'working paper'.

Ok...you should have started with this.

I agree it's not a valid study. There's no point in discussing it before peer review, because it's likely going to change. It may become a valid study...but it isn't one now.

The problem with the whole "we saved 100k lives" with the lockdown argument is that it's as if the only effects of the lockdown considered are viral contagion spread.

Those aren't the only effects.

Pandemic effects may have lowered baby IQs, study says | EdSource

It's hard to say just how profound that might be. I don't know if it's something that can be improved....but I do know that if our schools remain as they are, it won't improve.

It's entirely possible that the lockdown has made a significant number of an entire generation....dumber.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I watched you guys completely foggy headed with the opium of the far right internet, believe that these protests were beloved throughout Canada. Wronggo.

Just so wrong.

Why would that matter?