Clear contradictions

[disciple Clint]

Apostolic teaching (as distinct from personal interpretation of prophetic riddles) disagrees with you.

The one olive tree going all the way back to Abraham is God's people (believers in the the Promise, Jesus Christ), both of the OT and the NT.

Except for a remnant, Israel has been cut off the olive tree of God's believing people (Romans 11:17, Romans 11:19-20) and has been hardened against saving faith in Jesus Christ (Romans 11:25).
Israel will be grafted back again into the olive tree of God's believing people if (not "when") they do not persist in unbelief (Romans 11:23).

Clare you are correct. I think I may have read more into the post than what was there. I jumped to thinking about replacement Theology.

 

[Clare73]

Clare you are correct. I think I may have read more into the post than what was there.
I jumped to thinking about replacement Theology.

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[Dan Perez]

What's the problem with going word for word?

If you ever have a interlinear Hebrew , Greek and English literal translation , you will see why ??

Check it out !
dan p

 

[Waymarker]

..I am curious on why the bible contradicts itself and why Yeshua seems to go against his father sometimes..

Ancient Old Testament peoples were often often rebellious, so God had to talk tough to them like a strict headmaster to get their respect, then when the time seemed right he sent Jesus to give us the more enlightened New Testament.
"In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent" (Acts of the Apostles 17:30)
"The law brought us to Christ like a schoolmaster, but now through Christ we are not under that schoolmaster" (Galatians 3:22-25)

After, all, if God wanted us to stick with the Old T, he wouldn't have sent Jesus to give us the New..

 

[1watchman]

Ancient Old Testament peoples were often often rebellious, so God had to talk tough to them like a strict headmaster to get their respect, then when the time seemed right he sent Jesus to give us the more enlightened New Testament.
"In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent" (Acts of the Apostles 17:30)
"The law brought us to Christ like a schoolmaster, but now through Christ we are not under that schoolmaster" (Galatians 3:22-25)

After, all, if God wanted us to stick with the Old T, he wouldn't have sent Jesus to give us the New..

Quite true, and many professing Christians today do not realize that when the OT Israelites rebelled to the Prophets and established their own religous ways ---crying for the Romans to kill their Messiah: Jesus, that they brought down the wrath of God on them. That is why Israel has suffered so much thereafter in much trouble. Today they are preserved according to the "covenant" made for them by God, but suffer much as yet in rebellion against their "Messiah" --the Lord Jesus. That people will be restored by a 'new people' as shown in Rev. 7:3-10, after the Lord Jesus returns with His Bride and reigns on earth for a "thousan years" --the Millennium. -1watchman

 

[Waymarker]

Quite true, and many professing Christians today do not realize that when the OT Israelites rebelled to the Prophets and established their own religous ways ---crying for the Romans to kill their Messiah: Jesus, that they brought down the wrath of God on them. That is why Israel has suffered so much thereafter in much trouble. Today they are preserved according to the "covenant" made for them by God, but suffer much as yet in rebellion against their "Messiah" --the Lord Jesus. That people will be restored by a 'new people' as shown in Rev. 7:3-10, after the Lord Jesus returns with His Bride and reigns on earth for a "thousan years" --the Millennium. -1watchman

The only hope of salvation for Jews and all other Jesus-rejecters is if they become Christians before they die, otherwise they'll all go up the spout together..-

 

[1watchman]

The only hope of salvation for Jews and all other Jesus-rejecters is if they become Christians before they die, otherwise they'll all go up the spout together..-

Sad, but very true! Let us pray that most of Israelites will awaken to the truth and embrace their Messiah that their religion rejected. When I visited Israel many years ago, our guide was a converted Israelite and faithful to the Lord Jesus --a nice tour there indeed to see the history and the country today --some Christians, but many Israelites of old.

 

[Waymarker]

Sad, but very true! Let us pray that most of Israelites will awaken to the truth and embrace their Messiah that their religion rejected. When I visited Israel many years ago, our guide was a converted Israelite and faithful to the Lord Jesus --a nice tour there indeed to see the history and the country today --some Christians, but many Israelites of old.

Yes, some ex-Jews have seen the light, but the majority still prefer to stay Jews in the hope that God will always protect them.
That was certainly true in ancient times when God protected them so that they could create Israel so that he could send Jesus there.
But then they goofed by killing him, so it's debatable whether God has got their backs now..

 

[1watchman]

Yes, some ex-Jews have seen the light, but the majority still prefer to stay Jews in the hope that God will always protect them.
That was certainly true in ancient times when God protected them so that they could create Israel so that he could send Jesus there.
But then they goofed by killing him, so it's debatable whether God has got their backs now..

Israel needs to see that according to God's "covenant" of old with them, they will be preserved as a people (which they have) yet --as you say, they MUST now receive the Lord Jesus for any hope for eternity. Israel will be restored when the Lord Jesus returns to reign during the "millennium". The 144,000 new Israelites shown in Revelation will be God's earthly people then forever; yet the "bride" today will dwell forever in Heaven.

 

[Clare73]

Israel needs to see that according to God's "covenant" of old with them, they will be preserved as a people (which they have) yet --as you say, they MUST now receive the Lord Jesus for any hope for eternity. Israel will be restored when the Lord Jesus returns to reign during the "millennium". The 144,000 new Israelites shown in Revelation will be God's earthly people then forever; yet the "bride" today will dwell forever in Heaven.

Two peoples of God. . .one in heaven and one on earth?

Is that two bodies of Christ, or is that one the body of Christ and the other not?

Where do we find that personal interpretation of prophetic riddles in NT apostolic teaching?

 

[1watchman]

Two peoples of God. . .one in heaven and one on earth?

Is that two bodies of Christ, or is that one the body of Christ and the other not?

Where do we find that personal interpretation of prophetic riddles NT apostolic teaching?

If you studied the New Testament carefully you would see that our Creator-God is a Holy Spirit (and no man will EVER see Him physically except in the form of a Man). He became a man on earth through the virgin Mary, as is shown in the Lord Jesus and His birth. The Holy Spirit is everywhere, so we need to be in communion with Him by faith! When a real Christian speaks to the Lord Jesus (as we are told to do) we are speaking to God! Note that "no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me" the Lord Jesus said. Have you read John 14? A true "born again" saint (as John 3; Romans 8, etc. shows) is the door to salvation and eternal hope and our blessings. Be sure: "the time is short', as God says!

We speak to God now while the Lord Jesus is above, BUT we can only be heard by God if we acknowledge and RECEIVE His "..beloved Son", as He says. When (and 'if') one goes to Heaven by faith in the Lord Jesus, they will see the Lord Jesus, and then know we are talking to our God.

I hope this helps you some in understanding our Creator; and I much recommend one meditate much on the four Gospels and see the Epistles to understand our course and our responsibility for Church truth.

 

[Clare73]

Two peoples of God. . .one in heaven and one on earth?
Is that two separate bodies of Christ with different eternal destinies, or is that one the body of Christ and the other not?
Where do we find that personal interpretation of prophetic riddles in NT apostolic teaching?

If you studied the New Testament carefully you would see that our Creator-God is a Holy Spirit (and no man will EVER see Him physically except in the form of a Man). He became a man on earth through the virgin Mary, as is shown in the Lord Jesus and His birth. The Holy Spirit is everywhere, so we need to be in communion with Him by faith! When a real Christian speaks to the Lord Jesus (as we are told to do) we are speaking to God! Note that "no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me" the Lord Jesus said. Have you read John 14? A true "born again" saint (as John 3; Romans 8, etc. shows) is the door to salvation and eternal hope and our blessings. Be sure: "the time is short', as God says!

We speak to God now while the Lord Jesus is above, BUT we can only be heard by God if we acknowledge and RECEIVE His "..beloved Son", as He says. When (and 'if') one goes to Heaven by faith in the Lord Jesus, they will see the Lord Jesus, and then know we are talking to our God.

I hope this helps you some in understanding our Creator; and I much recommend one meditate much on the four Gospels and see the Epistles to understand our course and our responsibility for Church truth.

And the two bodies of Christ with different eternal destinies nowhere taught in the NT?

Non-responsive.
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[1watchman]

And the two bodies of Christ with different eternal destinies nowhere taught in the NT?

Non-responsive.
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It would be better to say: a heavenly body (the "bride") will be dwelling in Heaven forever AFTER the Millennium rule of Christ on earth with His "bride"; and the earthly body of a re-newed Israel then forever on earth under God's care by a new Israelite people, as shown in the 144,000 new people stated in Revelation; which will be everlasting according to God's "covenant" with them. I hope this helps.

 

[Godwilling]

Hello. I am curious on why the bible contradicts itself and why Yeshua seems to go against his father sometimes. I do not understand how YHWH can say

Exodus 21
12Whoever strikes and kills a man must surely be put to death
14But if a man schemes and acts willfully against his neighbor to kill him, you must take him away from My altar to be put to death.
15Whoever strikes his father or mother must surely be put to death.
16Whoever kidnaps another man must be put to death, whether he sells him or the man is found in his possession.
17Anyone who curses his father or mother must surely be put to death.

But then also say
Genesis 9:6
Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man his blood will be shed; for in His own image God has made mankind.

Exodus 20:13
You shall not murder.

And even Yeshua said

Matthew 19

…17“Why do you ask Me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.” 18“Which ones?” the man asked. Jesus answered, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear false witness, 19honor your father and mother, and love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

How can Yeshua go against the commandments of his father? Wouldn't that mean he was not who he claimed to be? am I missing something big here??? If the Law is perfect and unchanging like it was said how can we say it is not perfect and changed? And if this is in Exodus how come King Daniel was not killed after he took the life of another man?

I will try and explain. If I am correct you are referring to how God tells his people to not kill and yet God sets punishment for sin to kill them. Am I correct or am I off course? I am awaiting confirmation from you because I do not want to get you confused should I be not answering your question correctly. I await your reply.

God bless

 

[Neogaia777]

Hello. I am curious on why the bible contradicts itself and why Yeshua seems to go against his father sometimes. I do not understand how YHWH can say

Exodus 21
12Whoever strikes and kills a man must surely be put to death
14But if a man schemes and acts willfully against his neighbor to kill him, you must take him away from My altar to be put to death.
15Whoever strikes his father or mother must surely be put to death.
16Whoever kidnaps another man must be put to death, whether he sells him or the man is found in his possession.
17Anyone who curses his father or mother must surely be put to death.

But then also say
Genesis 9:6
Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man his blood will be shed; for in His own image God has made mankind.

Exodus 20:13
You shall not murder.

And even Yeshua said

Matthew 19

…17“Why do you ask Me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.” 18“Which ones?” the man asked. Jesus answered, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear false witness, 19honor your father and mother, and love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

How can Yeshua go against the commandments of his father? Wouldn't that mean he was not who he claimed to be? am I missing something big here??? If the Law is perfect and unchanging like it was said how can we say it is not perfect and changed? And if this is in Exodus how come King Daniel was not killed after he took the life of another man?

In times past, in the OT, God overlooked certain kinds of sins, although they were still sins, and was making rules around them, like between what was justified killing, and not justified killing, etc, but may have still wanted it made clear that "all of it/them" were all "deserving of death" still, etc, but it is said that now, God in and of the OT now, or God the Spirit now, calls all men to "repent", and/or be "repentant" of all of them now, and in and from their heart always now, etc, and after the NT now, and under the NC after Jesus now, etc, for Jesus said to even have hate in your heart even, was the very same thing as being guilty of murder, etc... So nothing really ever changed really, as far as the right or wrong of it/them goes, it's just that God no longer overlooks any degree of it/them at all now, and is no longer trying to make any kind of rules around them anymore now, but calls all people to repent (or be repentant) of any and/or all of it/them now, and to do or be this way about all of it/them from their heart(s) now, and to have and/or experience "Godly sorrow" over any and/or all of it/them now, that would hopefully lead them to repent of any and/or all of it/them now, or at the very least produce the kind of true humbleness and/or humility that God was always looking for in man from after the fall now, etc. The OT ways/rules/laws utterly failed in producing this, etc, and I think you can clearly see that it still fails to, evidenced by all those still trying to go by just it only still today, etc, some serious pride/judgement issues still there with those ones still today, etc, whereas they should know better, etc, but they still don't, etc, so they still condemn themselves still today, etc.

God Bless!