Evidence of miracles.

[SkyWriting]

In other words, you don't know. You're experiencing the exact same sense of self-assurance that everyone experiences from time to time, and you're simply equating it with the Holy Ghost because that suits your own personal narrative. Myself, I think that you're wrong. I think that the Holy Ghost would show a lot more humility.

The Holy ghost keeps a very low profile. It remains invisible
and out of the hands of experimenters and doubters.

So if you are a doubter, then you never receive confirmation.
That remains impossible. You can't get more humble than that.

 

[SkyWriting]

But if those notes simply amount to..."God said abracadabra"...with no corroborating evidence for their veracity other than the notes themselves, then the odds are that those notes are pure fantasy.

Or as the saying goes..."because the bible tells me so"...isn't a valid argument.

There are millions of people who have recognised God and his power.
Many recognize the evidence of the power, but it's hard to tamp down
ones ego far enough for the evidence to be revealed. -Answered Prayer -

 

[Astrid]

There are millions of people who have recognised God and his power.
-Answered Prayer -

If the same were not so for every religion and quasi- religious
superstitious practice ever, it would have more persuasive power.
A bit of exclusivity would be terrif.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

You believe god exists because the Bible says so and you believe the Bible is true because god says it is true in the Bible.

is this correct?

 

[SkyWriting]

If the same were not so for every religion and quasi- religious
superstitious practice ever, it would have more persuasive power.
A bit of exclusivity would be terrif.

There is only one God. What names people use and their explanation of God is based on local culture.
Even Jews don't have the same thinking as Christians for example.

 

[AV1611VET]

You believe god exists because the Bible says so and you believe the Bible is true because god says it is true in the Bible.

Is this correct?

Essentially yes.

BUT, keep in mind that Jesus said ...

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

YOU are included in that verse as well.

This means that you, too, are/have experiencing the convicting power of God on your engrams.

But not all people get saved, because they "pull back" from that "pull" on them ...

Hebrews 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

As a person uses his freewill in this tug-of-war that's going on ... the more he uses it to draw back, the more "anesthetized" he becomes to the pull.

This is why a person won't be able to use the excuse "I never knew," at the White Throne Judgement Seat.

Furthermore, here's a list of cause-and-effect evidence of God's existence:

1. Time divided into BC and AD.
2. Organizations such as the Red Cross and Salvation Army.
3. Hospitals built by Christian organizations.
4. Beautiful Christian artwork, edifices, statuary and literature.
5. IN GOD WE TRUST on our coins and UNDER GOD in our pledge of allegiance.
6. The Ten Commandments and other literature displayed in public.
7. Christmas & Easter
8. Symbols on bumper stickers and flags.
9. Public debates in the name of Christianity.
10. Crosses and billboards erected to testify of Jesus Christ.
11. Two major nations founded on His existence.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Thus the Documentation.

You know?

Notes left behind saying, "This is what I did, when I did it, where I did it, how I did it, what order I did it in, why I did it, how long it took me to do it, and who the eyewitnesses are."

So, how do you establish that those documented accounts are of actual events and documented accounts from other religions are not of actual events? Or do you accept all such accounts and ignore any conflicts between them?

IOW, how do you distinguish between mythic & legendary fiction and real events, given only the stories?

 

[AV1611VET]

So, how do you establish that those documented accounts are of actual events and documented accounts from other religions are not of actual events?

Generally, I don't.

The Bible says God parted the Red Sea, and I believe He did.

If the Romans later say that Neptune parted the Red Sea too, I'll give them credit for it, but not in the way some think.

Meaning I think Neptune is a fallen angel who did it.

Exodus 8:7 And the magicians did so with their enchantments, and brought up frogs upon the land of Egypt.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

The reason God has no need of Miracles is that God has created the laws of nature Himself.
Miracles are simply facts of nature that God sets up the timing to please himself. Then God also sets up the conditions that cause a person to pray for that miracle. God has your entire life to work with to influence you to pray. Then you pray for a miracle. As God has planned, your prayer precedes the chosen event. (Miracle) God does all this just to reveal that He is there for you.

How can God heal a bone instantly? He doesn't. Every cell in you body has the DNA coding needed to regrow you entire body from scratch. If God chooses to, He simply calls on your DNA to regrow any tissue that needs repair. This could happen at any speed He choses. In my experience, Miracles happen at a "natural" rate and speed. They just "happen" hours, weeks, or months before you expect them to happen. You just see the finished result and are astounded by the "instant" healing that actually started long before.

I'm not "explaining away" miracles. I'm telling you that God had already begun a [miracle healing] weeks before. You just got informed by God about the "miracle" just before "the reveal" at the end. And you are astounded. God is pleased to "answer your prayer" as it suits him. But to keep you properly humble he doesn't give you the power to have every prayer answered. That's power that is not healthy for man to have.

In no time man would be going around
"I'm a healer! Send me your sick! Only $100.00 donation this week only!"

God only answers prayer when you get 100% out of the way.
Which is very hard to do, but very amazing when you can accomplish it.

If this was the case, we would expect to see more successful healings in injuries where prayers were used compared to those where prayers were not used. This is not the case.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Generally, I don't.

The Bible says God parted the Red Sea, and I believe He did.

If the Romans later say that Neptune parted the Red Sea too, I'll give them credit for it, but not in the way some think.

Meaning I think Neptune is a fallen angel who did it.

Exodus 8:7 And the magicians did so with their enchantments, and brought up frogs upon the land of Egypt.

So you have no way to tell which stories are true, you just believe what suits you and interpret all other stories in terms of that belief?

 

[SkyWriting]

If this was the case, we would expect to see more successful healings in injuries where prayers were used compared to those where prayers were not used. This is not the case.

People have no control over when or how prayers are answered.
That's a myth among believers.

That would be bad if people had such powers.
But if you spend time interacting with God, he will answer
your own prayers and make himself active to you alone.

This has happened and people mistakenly then think they
have "powers" or are "healers" and we have all told stories
of their folly.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

People have no control over when prayers are answered.
That's a myth among believers.

That would be bad if people had such powers.

But if the results are indistinguishable from prayers being irrelevant and ineffective in healing, prayers are irrelevant and ineffective in healing.

 

[AV1611VET]

So you have no way to tell which stories are true, you just believe what suits you and interpret all other stories in terms of that belief?

We're going in circles, aren't we?

1. Bible says x, Science says x = go with x
2. Bible says x, Science says y = go with x
3. Bible says x, Science says ø = go with x
4. Bible says ø, Science says x = go with x
5. Bible says ø, Science says ø = free to speculate on your own

Prime Directive: Under no circumstances whatsoever is the Bible to be contradicted.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

We're going in circles, aren't we?

Just you.

 

[SkyWriting]

But if the results are indistinguishable from prayers being irrelevant and ineffective in healing, prayers are irrelevant and ineffective in healing.

I did say that healing others is a myth.
But God will do that to convince you.
He won't do that to convince others of your amazing prayer powers or holiness.
You get the results. Just not the ability to convince others that you have control.

 

[SkyWriting]

Generally, I don't.
The Bible says God parted the Red Sea, and I believe He did.

I also believe that God parted the Red Sea. But because he has such far reaching powers, he did it naturally. Even scripture acknowledges that God used wind to part the sea. Not a big pair of giant hands.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I did say that healing others is a myth.
But God will do that to convince you.
He won't do that to convince others of your amazing prayer powers or holiness.
You get the results. Just not the ability to convince others that you have control.

IOW, it's a confirmation bias fallacy - if you heal after praying to be divinely healed, you'll attribute it to a divine healer. Nevertheless, the result is statistically the same as if you hadn't prayed.

 

[SkyWriting]

If this was the case, we would expect to see more successful healings in injuries where prayers were used compared to those where prayers were not used. This is not the case.

The purpose of answered prayer is only to interact with the person praying.
The purpose is not intended to be used by others to determine which people
are holy and which are not.

You don't seem to grasp the implications of your request. Society would be separated into those who can heal other and those who can't. Likely this would not be a peaceful separation.

 

[AV1611VET]

I also believe that God parted the Red Sea. But because he has such far reaching powers, he did it naturally. Even scripture acknowledges that God used wind to part the sea. Not a big pair of giant hands.

No argument there.

When God tells Mamma Nature to "gitter done," Mamma Nature gits er done.

Psalm 83:15 So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm.

30 October 1991: The Halloween Monster, a.k.a. The Perfect Storm, strikes the U.S. amid the "land-for-peace" Madrid peace talks; President Bush's ocean-side home destroyed.

23 August 1992: President Bush moves Madrid talks to U.S. soil; that very day, Hurricane Andrew devastates southern Florida.

16 January 1994: President Clinton meets with Syrian President Hafez Assad to discuss more "land for peace" arrangements; less than 24 hours later, a 6.9 earthquake pulverized southern California.

1 September 1993: President Clinton announces a meeting with Arafat for the Oslo peace accords, to be held on 13 September; after a week of meandering in the Atlantic Ocean, Hurricane Emily hits North Carolina on that very day.

21 January 1998: while waiting to meet with Arafat at the White House, President Clinton's sex scandal breaks out.

27 September 1998: Arafat is meeting with the president in Washington; Hurricane Georges hits Alabama and stalls. The hurricane stalls until Arafat leaves and then it dissipates. Parts of Alabama declared a disaster area.

17 October 1998: Arafat comes to the Wye Plantation meeting; incredible rains fall on Texas, which cause record flooding. Parts of Texas declared a disaster area.

3 September 1999: Secretary of State Albright meets with Arafat in Israel; Hurricane Dennis comes ashore on this very day after weeks of changing course in the Atlantic Ocean.

12-26 July 2000: Arafat at the Camp David meetings. Powerful droughts throughout the country. Forest fires explode in West into uncontrollable fires. By the end of August, 7 million acres are burnt.

9 November 2000, two days after the presidential election: Arafat meets with President Clinton at the White House to try and salvage the peace process; worst election crisis in over 100 years occurs.

 

[SkyWriting]

So, how do you establish that those documented accounts are of actual events and documented accounts from other religions are not of actual events? Or do you accept all such accounts and ignore any conflicts between them?

IOW, how do you distinguish between mythic & legendary fiction and real events, given only the stories?

All past events of any kind are taken on faith.