What nations or people are among your ancestors?

[Red Gold]

Yes, Afrikaans is my home language. It is supposed to be a restandardised creole language from all those population groups I mentioned, but mostly Dutch. Interestingly enough, the first book in Afrikaans was a commentary on the Quran though.

As jy hierdie kan verstaan, ek dink dis makliker vir ander Germaanse tale om te lees as om te hoor. As ek Duits hoor is dit soortgelyk, dat ek amper niks vang nie, maar wanneer mens dit lees maak van dit baie meer sin. Ek is seker laer dialekte van Duits wat nader aan Nederlands is, sal ook help.

Could you post a few lines of the Lord's Prayer In Afrikaans here?
Then I would post it in German - and we could compare.

 

[Quid est Veritas?]

Could you post a few lines of the Lord's Prayer In Afrikaans here?
Then I would post it in German - and we could compare.

Onse Vader wat in die Hemel is
Laat U naam geheilig word
Laat U koninkryk kom
Laat U wil geskied, soos in die Hemel so ook op die aarde
Gee ons vandag ons daaglikse brood en vergeef ons ons oortredings
Net soos ons vergeef die wat teen ons oortree
Laat kom ons nie in die versoeking nie, maar verlos ons van die bose.

This is the German I quickly googled. You certainly see the family resemblance:

Vater unser im Himmel, geheiligt werde dein Name; dein Reich komme; dein Wille geschehe, wie im Himmel so auf Erden. Unser tägliches Brot gib uns heute. Und vergib uns unsere Schuld, wie auch wir vergeben unsern Schuldigern; und führe uns nicht in Versuchung, sondern erlöse uns von dem Bösen.

 

[Red Gold]

Laat kom ons nie in die versoeking nie, maar verlos ons van die bose.
Führe uns nicht in Versuchung, sondern erlöse uns von dem Bösen.

Onse Vader in die Hemel
Vater unser im Himmel

Yes, one can see the family resemblance clearly!

 

[MehGuy]

Then you will have to learn it the hard way. If you use any other word, then you will be accused of "racism" by the politically over-correct thought police.

Yeah, I know. I care little what the overly offended crowd thinks about me. My main problem is that I actually view and treat minorities like human beings, not little children that I need to use kid gloves around. I can be a little rough, but I think that is part of the respect. Not afraid to ask uncomfortable questions. You know, actually have an in-depth discussion. I know some minorities, specifically black people say they respect me in a way they do not many other white people, because I'm not afraid to have an actual discussion with them.

Part of viewing someone as equal to you is giving equal weight to their thoughts. If a black person says something racist about white people, the white person who is bothered and angered about it more likely respects the black person than the white person who walks on eggshells around them and doesn't show (or feel any anger) regarding the racist comment said about them.

I doubt white people in the slavery says or the Jim Crow era cared very much if a black person mocked their race. They viewed them as beneath them, why would their opinion matter? They most likely found it amusing at best. Lynching and other violence did occur, but I do think that speaks more about white people being threatened by black people than any sense of superiority. I think the bulk of this hatred came from poor white trash. Often members of the KKK are not the most successful or brightest of white folk.

Same thing with women. Sometimes I wonder how some white male liberals can take the slings and arrows they get from women and minorities. I used to think they were spineless, but I'm starting to think they really just don't care about the opinion of these people. Most white liberals probably live in mostly white areas and never really engage with minorities in their day-to-day life. Seems like most male feminists are overly protective and gentle with women and rarely hold them accountable for their actions... They don't really treat them with the same weight as they do with men.

It's all just so phony...

Sorry for getting on a rant. Lol.

 

[Red Gold]

It's all just so phony...

I agree!

 

[Red Gold]

As it seems, the word "black" has been defined as a "bad word" by some politically over-correct people and must now be re-placed by "subsaharan".

Can we continue with this game?

Do you drink your coffee subsaharan?
Do you like films in subsaharan and white?

 

[Red Gold]

Btw:

We often have a nice visitor, a friendly lady from South Africa.
And she has not the slightest problem to say that she is black and also speaks about other people as black people.

Should I inform here now that she is politically incorrect and should refer to herself as "subsaharan"?

 

[RDKirk]

"Sub-Saharan" has been the term used by anthropologists and other professionals for over 120 years. I've used all my life--it was in the World Book Encyclopedia my mother bought me in 1963.

There is no point in getting silly about it now as though it were something newly coined...that just makes a person look uneducated.

I am 30 percent Nigerian, 20 percent Cameroonian, 30 percent Scottish (I can trace my father's lineage to a man named "Kirk" listed in the census as "Mulatto"), and 20 percent other various West African groups.

 

[klutedavid]

Most of the world is missing from the options.

I was puzzled by that also.

 

[klutedavid]

As it seems, the word "black" has been defined as a "bad word" by some politically over-correct people and must now be re-placed by "subsaharan".

Can we continue with this game?

Do you drink your coffee subsaharan?
Do you like films in subsaharan and white?

Good game.

No, I drink my coffee with the opposite of sub-Saharan.

 

[Red Gold]

There is no point in getting silly about it now as though it were something newly coined...that just makes a person look uneducated.

Thank you for the compliment.
So I am "un-educated" then.
I can live with that.


Btw: This "Subsahara" is a scientific word, no doubt.
But in everyday language it is not used here.
So in our region we are all "un-educated".

And the black lady from South Africa who visits us often has studied at University - but as she uses the word "black" instead of "subsaharan" she would also appear as "un-educated" to you.

 

[Red Gold]

Good game.

No, I drink my coffee with the opposite of sub-Saharan.

And what about chess?
Who starts?
The white figures or the subsaharan figures?

 

[klutedavid]

And what about chess?
Who starts?
The white figures or the subsaharan figures?

The opposite of sub-Saharan.

Me getting good at this game.

 

[Red Gold]

Would you say about something: "It was as subsaharan as the night!"
Pitch-subsaharan, so to speak!

 

[RDKirk]

Thank you for the compliment.
So I am "un-educated" then.
I can live with that.


Btw: This "Subsahara" is a scientific word, no doubt.
But in everyday language it is not used here.
So in our region we are all "un-educated".

And the black lady from South Africa who visits us often has studied at University - but as she uses the word "black" instead of "subsaharan" she would also appear as "un-educated" to you.

Read what I wrote:

Getting silly about it now as though it were something newly coined makes a person look uneducated.

 

[Quid est Veritas?]

Thank you for the compliment.
So I am "un-educated" then.
I can live with that.


Btw: This "Subsahara" is a scientific word, no doubt.
But in everyday language it is not used here.
So in our region we are all "un-educated".

And the black lady from South Africa who visits us often has studied at University - but as she uses the word "black" instead of "subsaharan" she would also appear as "un-educated" to you.

If she is South African, she wouldn't have qualms about calling herself black. We have four legally recognised racial categories in South Africa, being Black, White, Indian and Coloured. It is used for terms like Black Economic Empowerment and such. The problem is that all the citizens of South Africa are Subsaharan or African regardless of race, afterall. Black is a perfectly normal and acceptable way of addressing that segment of the population, as is Coloured (which is mixed race, but more specifically a cultural unit rather).

 

[Tigger45]

You didnt put wolves down as an option!

It’s amazing how the Alpha wolves in a family linage is always howled for everyone to hear but the news of coyotes in the line is usually kept muzzled. Lol

 

[klutedavid]

Would you say about something: "It was as subsaharan as the night!"
Pitch-subsaharan, so to speak!

Me think you are correct.

 

[MehGuy]

As it seems, the word "black" has been defined as a "bad word" by some politically over-correct people and must now be re-placed by "subsaharan".

Can we continue with this game?

Do you drink your coffee subsaharan?
Do you like films in subsaharan and white?

Where I live in the United States everyone uses the word "black". Sometimes it's joked around the "African American" is the politically correct terminology, but I do not see anyone ever using it. Black people refer to themselves as black and people like me white. It's just easier to say and given white people are called white, I think the terminology is fair.

If a black person finds the term "black" offense, I do not mind using different terminology within reason. As long as its heart felt, not in a way many SJWs behave where they just want to guilt trip or feel superior over you. Although I personally do not like labeling people by their race, at least in real life. I don't know quite how to explain it. Other than I wouldn't appreciate my whiteness being brought up all the time, and I imagine some black people feel the same way too. I'll have racial discussions (discussion... not simply being lectured at) but I'd prefer not everything to be bogged down about race.

Sadly, as this country becomes more multi-racial, I'm probably going to be reminded and forced to think of my own whiteness as a more and more relevant and important indefinity marker. I don't like it, but I think it's inevitable. White people will probably never be a minority in the foreseeable future. But the days where we can go through life without thinking about it are sadly probably over with.

 

[Niels]

Swedish, English, German, and Czech (Bohemia). According to a DNA test I took, there may also be a little Scottish and Norwegian in there too.

Although these nationalities are consistent with genealogical records, I was surprised by how much Scandinavian ancestry I have. My dad is half Swedish, but I'm apparently 1/3 Scandinavian. I was expecting more like 1/4, or maybe a little less. Some of it may come from my mom's side, considering the history of England and where my ancestors were said to be at various times.