War on Mars

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

It’s a nearby planet

And war is not unusual

You would need to show actual evidence that there was a war (blast craters from nuclear weapons would have distinctive fallout and also markings based on whether they were airburst or impact detonations) let alone that there was a war between two civilizations that seem to have ended in mutual destruction.

 

[JohnEmmett]

You would need to show actual evidence that there was a war …

I already shared the summary of that evidence

In several different ways

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I already shared the summary of that evidence

In several different ways

No, you shared videos, which made claims.

That's not evidence.

 

[JohnEmmett]

That's not evidence.

Would you accept the evidence?

Acceptance requires faith and you are doubtful

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Would you accept the evidence?

Acceptance requires faith and you are doubtful

And doubt is necessary for considering evidence. Being a skeptic is important, especially for outlandish claims like the ones you make.

I am open to the ideas that you make, but only if you have the evidence for it.

 

[JohnEmmett]

I am open to the ideas that you make, but only if you have the evidence for it.

You have free will

Acceptance entirely depends on just accepting

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

You have free will

Acceptance entirely depends on just accepting

Acceptance depends heavily on evidence, especially in this sort of scenario.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Acceptance depends heavily on evidence, especially in this sort of scenario.

You are choosing to reject the evidence

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

You are choosing to reject the evidence

But you're not giving me evidence. You're just showing videos that make claims. That's not evidence.

 

[JohnEmmett]

But you're not giving me evidence. You're just showing videos that make claims. That's not evidence.

perhaps you should clarify what you would accept as evidence


like someone taking you back in time to observe events

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

perhaps you should clarify what you would accept as evidence


like someone taking you back in time to observe events

That would be extraordinary evidence.

Or actually going to Mars itself and surveying the purported sites myself.

 

[JohnEmmett]

That would be extraordinary evidence.

Or actually going to Mars itself and surveying the purported sites myself.

but you don't have such a luxury

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

but you don't have such a luxury

No I do not, obviously.

And you have no evidence.

 

[JohnEmmett]

And you have no evidence.

You can determine a lot by considering the videos

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

You can determine a lot by considering the videos

Oh definitely.

I determined that you have no evidence.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Oh definitely.

I determined that you have no evidence.

the skeptics always “determine” this

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

the skeptics always “determine” this


because they doubt

And why is it a bad thing to doubt something? Why is it bad to determine for yourself whether something is true or not instead of just instantly going "Yep! I believe that!"?

 

[JohnEmmett]

And why is it a bad thing to doubt something?

I dislike the mundane and others prefer it

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I dislike the mundane and others prefer it

Still not a reason to explain why doubting something is instantly true or not is bad. You dislike the mundane, that's your problem.

 

[JohnEmmett]

You dislike the mundane, that's your problem.

those who transcend the mundane reach heaven


those who choose the mundane become animals