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Street smart vs book smart

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Hello.

Both my parents worked long hours on two jobs to make sure the kids got great education. So I myself and the street basically raised me. The other day my neighbour was idling his unlocked van warming it up with the key… I stayed there until he came out to tell him he should lock it or better yet install a remote starter if he can. When people tell me something, my first reaction, I don’t trust. I trust facts or try to make sure there’s at least reasonable ways to protect my interests. I never give to people who come to my door claiming to be from charities. Maybe they are, but those little badges are very easy to counterfeit.

In regards to religion, I often think about street smarts and book smarts. It seems to me some believers tend to live too much in their heads. When it comes to realities of life, they can seem to be somewhat detached. Do you notice this?

I see Christian missionaries abroad, they’re pretty much crooks, most of them. They treat locals like dirt, invest and trade, send fake reports back to their home churches inflating all they do. Basically, con artists. Churches never even think about any accountability, believing everything blindly. How is it even possible?

Or when I hear pastors preach about tithes and offerings, they promise a great return from God as if it’s a done deal…A guaranteed blessing… Like they say about investment into Apple or Amazon stock. Yes, if you’re well-educated, healthy with great skill set and in good economic environment, maybe. In a poor country for less fortunate or in a bad neighbourhood among the lowest class of people, and during a recession, maybe not so much… I personally know a family in Asia who sold their condo to gift money to their Charismatic church and ended up homeless. That church pastor fled to the USA with millions claiming religious asylum… Yes, he was somehow persecuted by the gov’t too… Or Mother Theresa, a saint to her church, but a much more controversial figure to the people of Kolkatta..

I sometimes try to analyze what it is… Some ideas seem so good and right and good-sounding and beautiful, but when it comes to realities of life, those ideas somehow don’t consider all factors. Maybe that’s the problem? For example, how sin is explained and what solutions are offered… That’s why I think religion has never been an effective tool in guarding morality and behaviour and we need certain institutions such as law enforcement and jails, with tools like handcuffs and tasers, or sedative injections for some…

If there is such disconnect, is religion even relevant?

My question isn’t about people, but about Christian teachings. Are they adequate for street smarts? Or are they more or less useless when it comes to what people have to deal with in their spiritual and day by day practical lives?

Is Christian faith, overall, a true reflection of spiritual and physical reality?
 
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Hello.

Both my parents worked long hours on two jobs to make sure the kids got great education. So I myself and the street basically raised me. The other day my neighbour was idling his unlocked van warming it up with the key and I stayed there until he came out to tell him he should lock it or better yet install a remote starter if he can. When people tell me something, my first reaction, I don’t trust. I trust facts or try to make sure there’s at least reasonable ways to protect my interests. I never give to people who come to my door claiming to be from charities. Maybe they are, but those little badges are very easy to counterfeit.

In regards to religion, I often think about street smarts and book smarts. It seems to me some believers tend to live too much in their heads. When it comes to realities of life, they can seem to be somewhat detached. Do you notice this?

I see Christian missionaries abroad, they’re pretty much crooks, most of them. They treat locals like dirt, invest and trade, send fake reports back to their home churches inflating all they do. Basically, con artists. Churches never even think about any accountability, believing everything.

I sometimes try to amalyse what it is… Some ideas seem so good and right and good-sounding, but when it comes to realities of life, those ideas somehow don’t consider all factors. Maybe that’s the problem? For example, how sin is explained and what solutions are offered… That’s why religion was never an effective tool in guarding morality and behaviour and we need certain institutions such as law enforcement and jails, with tools like batons, handcuffs and tazers. Or sedative injections for some…

If there is such disconnect, is religion even relevant?

Bad apples in all the barrels ... including the religious barrels. Corruption has no boundaries.

Study the life of Jesus .... He is our example.
 
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Bad apples in all the barrels ... including the religious barrels. Corruption has no boundaries.

Study the life of Jesus .... He is our example.

It’s not about the sinful people, those were examples not of sin but of people oblivious to it. I understand all about it - again, I grew up on the streets…

it’s about religious ideas vs real life and a disconnect I often see there. Like they live in the clouds
 
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Scripture speaks about wolves in sheep's clothing

I totally understand. My question isn’t about people. More about Christian teachings. Are they adequate for street smarts? Or are they more or less useless when it comes to what people have to deal with in their spiritual and day by day practical lives?
 
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It’s not about the sinful people, those were examples not of sin but of people oblivious to it. I understand all about it - again, I grew up on the streets…

it’s about religious ideas vs real life and a disconnect I often see there. Like they live in the clouds

Much is learned (street smart), I think those have keen discernment because of it.

Church membership is down ... but interest in Christianity is up. There are many who believe and are committed to Christ but do not attend organized church. There are many who are studying His Word online and/or having study groups in their homes in lieu of attending organized church.

Going to church doesn't save a person ... Jesus does.
 
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Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

Sadly many in the West raised their children to be insulated from the evils in the world and many came to believe there was no evil in the world.
 
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Much is learned (street smart), I think those have keen discernment because of it.

Church membership is down ... but interest in Christianity is up. There are many who believe and are committed to Christ but do not attend organized church. There are many who are studying His Word online and/or having study groups in their homes in lieu of attending organized church.

Going to church doesn't save a person ... Jesus does.

Glad to hear of a grass roots kind of movement growing. I’m not talking aboit a church critique at all.

If we take such home believer not part of a group, or who’s part of a grassroots home group, is religion offering something real or will he or she have to have kind of two realities - one in the head and one in how it is?

Is Christian faith, overall, in itself, a true reflection of spiritual and physical reality?
 
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I totally understand. My question isn’t about people. More about Christian teachings. Are they adequate for street smarts? Or are they more or less useless when it comes to what people have to deal with in their spiritual and day by day practical lives?
That depends on who is teaching, a big factor in this is does the individual have the Holy spirit, this is imperative in understanding the scriptures spiritually, when we understand them, they certainly get you through all circumstances you face day to day . So by being on your own you became street wise, same with scriptures you need the Holy Spirit.
 
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That depends on who is teaching, a big factor in this is does the individual have the Holy spirit, this is imperative in understanding the scriptures spiritually, when we understand them, they certainly get you through all circumstances you face day to day . So by being on your own you became street wise, same with scriptures you need the Holy Spirit.

Okay. But this is so fluid of definition, that it almost means nothing… You can assign Holy Spirit anywhere you want or say He’s absent in any circumstances. Is there any objective way to judge what a set of teachings is? For example, if I raise my daughter in the set of these beliefs, she’ll be well equipped against choosing to marry or staying with a domestic abuser. Or if I teach her these beliefs instead, mmmm, probably she’d be vulnerable…
 
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Glad to hear of a grass roots kind of movement growing. I’m not talking aboit a church critique at all.

If we take such home believer not part of a group, or who’s part of a grassroots home group, is religion offering something real or will he or she have to have kind of two realities - one in the head and one in how it is?

Is Christian faith, overall, in itself, a true reflection of spiritual and physical reality?

well ... we are all a bunch of sinners ... and stumble around a lot .... so people get critical. If one wants to know what is true ... then they need to look at Jesus ... He is the spiritual and physical reality ... not us.

Such as it was in the time of Jesus .... a system of religion became so "religious" they lost sight of Him.

It's not the what .... it's the who.

He will sort it all out in His time ;o)
 
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Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

Sadly many in the West raised their children to be insulated from the evils in the world and many came to believe there was no evil in the world.

Okay, so people grow up in a bubble shielded from bad experiences… It might be good in a way. I can’t sleep during rain storms, for example, kind of PTSD, I get a baseball bat from under my bed and walk around the house… All those noises - I’m convinced bad people getting in… Can’t help it… From growing up in a high crime place… It gets better over the years.

Can you have a belief that prepares you for reality no matter what? Even if you lived a happy go lucky life?
 
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Okay. But this is so fluid of definition, that it almost means nothing… You can assign Holy Spirit anywhere you want or say He’s absent in any circumstances. Is there any objective way to judge what a set of teachings is? For example, if I raise my daughter in the set of these beliefs, she’ll be well equipped against choosing to marry or staying with a domestic abuser. Or if I teach her these beliefs instead, mmmm, probably she’d be vulnerable…
If God is for you then who can be against you, if you abide in him, he will you, he is always with his people and wouldn’t put his people in a domestic abuse situation, the key is making him your focal point and him only and he will direct your paths like I said you became streetwise because you lived that life if you live gods life he will be with you and direct you in everything he is the teacher no man
 
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well ... we are all a bunch of sinners ... and stumble around a lot .... so people get critical. If one wants to know what is true ... then they need to look at Jesus ... He is the spiritual and physical reality ... not us.

Such as it was in the time of Jesus .... a system of religion became so "religious" they lost sight of Him.

It's not the what .... it's the who.

He will sort it all out in His time ;o)

i hear this formula a lot, but what is it? It seems like a proposition without substance… Another book smart idea that has little to do with how we really think and live and experience life…

Knowing Jesus, good, but then there are all kinds of situations for yourself and related to other people where it’s not enough to know Jesus… It helps very little

Then details of “what it means to know Jesus” matter
 
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If God is for you then who can be against you, if you abide in him, he will you, he is always with his people and wouldn’t put his people in a domestic abuse situation, the key is making him your focal point and him only and he will direct your paths like I said you became streetwise because you lived that life if you live gods life he will be with you and direct you in everything he is the teacher no man

Bingo! Sounds great, but upload this into a young woman’s head and she’s a prime candidate for being taken advantage of… Because it does nothing to prepare her to what’s life is and some men are like… Instead, it grants her a false sense of safety by “supernatural power” that won’t be there to rescue her from a bad guy.

Book smart, street unwise…
 
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Bingo! Sounds great, but upload this into a young woman’s head and she’s a prime candidate for being taken advantage of… Because it dies nothing yo prepare her to what’s life is and some men are like…

Book smart, street unwise…
Nothing you do with book smart simple instruction you have him he protects you don't then you're in trouble not difficult to understand, your roll as a father is to teach her what men are like
 
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A Christian is one who knows what is right and seeks to bring it to the world- the way to heaven. He’s not trying to be popular or to get his needs met, he’s depending on God for that. You don’t need to be street smart to Live in this world. We are in this world but not of it. We don’t even need to love ourselves to do the good Jesus wants us to do. He says be ye separate’ from it and holy. He says seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness and all these things will be added unto you.’ Needs.
We’re not trying to get rich but to obey God. You see the separateness? We don’t want to reflect the world but Christ.

some work but some don’t. Some live by faith. We trust God in whatever type of life we are in. It’s relevant to a soup kitchen doing Gods will, feeding the poor, preaching the word, visiting the sick and in prison, clothing the naked, loving our enemies, and there are a lot sometimes. They are the salt and light of the world.
 
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Nothing you do with book smart simple instruction you have him he protects you don't then you're in trouble not difficult to understand, your roll as a father is to teach her what men are like

Going back to my OP, what’s your take on Christianity? Above was only an example. So you agree or not, that it’s a disconnected knowledge?
 
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Going back to my OP, what’s your take on Christianity? Above was only an example. So you agree or not, that it’s a disconnected knowledge?
No it's not disconnected knowledge.
 
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