Flat Earth

[Subduction Zone]

I never said any of that. I'm not sure we can have these conversations if you aren't even going to attempt to understand it.

Once again, you did. You just do not know how you did it.

Read my sig. That gives you the definition of scientific evidence. Before one can even claim to have evidence one needs a testable hypothesis at the very least. You cannot take something that we know now and work backwards. It must be based upon what is unknown at the time of the formation of the hypothesis.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

It says what it says. You're just trying to obfuscate.

You don't seem to understand what it says. It explicitly says that he thinks gravity must be mediated - and it is. The fact is that it was Newton who developed the Universal Law of Gravitation that allowed us to measure the force of gravity.

 

[JohnEmmett]

… of scientific evidence. Before one can even claim to have evidence one needs a testable hypothesis at the very least.

evidence comes in many forms


like meeting a ghost or seeing a UFO


you can infer the reality of such things

 

[Subduction Zone]

evidence comes in many forms


like meeting a ghost or seeing a UFO


you can infer the reality of such things

You rarely can. UFO's tend to be mundane objects when one analyzes them. Even the recent UFO's released by the Navy have been debunked. (quack quack) There do not appear to be any reliable examples of either.

 

[JohnEmmett]

debunked

foul language friend

 

[Subduction Zone]

foul language friend

How so?

 

[JohnEmmett]

How so?

feels offensive

 

[Subduction Zone]

feels offensive

Fine, refuted, since some try to claim that they are craft from other worlds. All that UFO means is that one saw an object in the sky that one could not explain. That is all. When investigated they tend to be just normal objects that had an unexpected visual reaction.

For example the GO FAST video was of bird. Very possibly a duck, though the bird itself could not be identified. The bird itself was not flying at high speeds, the plane was. The plane's motion made the background of the sea look like it was moving when they locked onto the bird. But the data from the avionics gave the height above ground. The size of the object. And its rough speed. That along with the pulsing size of it that was the same as one would see by a bird's flapping wings pretty much tells us that it was a bird. What was amazing about that video was the airplane's ability to lock onto such a small object and keep it in camera. That ability alone was good reason to keep that video classified for a while. If one has an ability that a potential foe does not have one does not want them to know about it.

 

[JohnEmmett]

normal objects

perception is reality

 

[Subduction Zone]

perception is reality

No! It definitely is not. Penn and Teller did not really shoot each other in the mouth. You set yourself up to all sorts of scams with that sort of belief.

 

[JohnEmmett]

No! It definitely is not.

then you can change your mind

 

[JohnEmmett]

Fine, refuted, since some try to claim that they are craft from other worlds.

not of this world …
youtube.com/watch?v=UQNvkJPigiQ

Stunning off-world alien ship

7 : 02

 

[Subduction Zone]

not of this world …
youtube.com/watch?v=UQNvkJPigiQ

Stunning off-world alien ship

7 : 02

Nope, just a UFO. Not having an explanation does not make it alien.

But here is why it probably is a scam. No date is given. No location is given. Something this big would have been visible to many and recorded countless times these days. After all, almost everyone caries a video camera with them in this day and age If it was real one would have given that information so that others could check and verify.

The difference between science and woo woo is that scientists try to make it as easy as possible to refute them if they are wrong. Believers in woo woo tend to cover up their "evidence". By doing so they indicate that it is fraudulent since that is not honest behavior.

 

[JohnEmmett]

But here is why it probably is a scam. No date is given. No location is given.

10 / 24 / 15 Ohio Kentucky border

 

[JohnEmmett]

Believers in woo woo tend to cover up their "evidence"

the video is on youtube with 2,673,701 views

 

[Subduction Zone]

10 / 24 / 15 Ohio Kentucky border

Still not enough info.

the video is on youtube with 2,673,701 views

So what? The info needed to confirm or deny is still missing. That only tells us that there are probably a lot of gullible people out there.

When investigated UFO's tend to be easily shown to be natural objects. That tells us that without any evidence for them being aliens that the best answer is always "Most likely a natural siting that we do not understand or possibly a scam". I am not going to say "definitely". But without something more substantial these are not evidence for alien visitation.

 

[JohnEmmett]

So what? The info needed to confirm or deny is still missing.

just watch the video

 

[Subduction Zone]

just watch the video

I did. I was not impressed. Why did you find it convincing?

 

[JohnEmmett]

I did. I was not impressed. Why did you find it convincing?

I don't believe you watched it

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

perception is reality

Demonstrably not. As I've mentioned before, we tend to interpret our perceptual data according to our expectations (check out Anil Seth's work on conscious awareness & perception) - which is why believers in 'exotic' phenomena like alien UFOs, ghosts, etc., tend to 'see' more of those phenomena, which reinforces their expectation bias; it's a vicious circle.