Modern day systemic racism, does it exist?

[Ken-1122]

It is no tiny percent.
Its not unsubstantiated.
Im pretty sure ive s better idea about Asians than you do.
It seems to me it takes deliberate misreading to think the
" light good / dark bad applies to anyone but those
ive mentioned- such as myself- who try to avoid the sun.


I dont know where you get the notion that "logic"
has any part in what I said, or that Im somehow not
aware that there are other notions among other people.

Sometimes I am a bit cryptic esp when texting on a phone.
I didnt elabourate, it didnt mean i am unaware of subtleties.
Asking instead of retaliating might be as good a practice for you
as avoiding being cryptic is for me.

Deal?

Sorry no deal; I will continue to assume nobody is qualified to speak for an entire race; and when you say something, you mean exactly what you say regardless of whether you're texting on a cell phone, or using a desk top. It is up to the person responding to do whatever it takes to make their point clear.

 

[rturner76]

I've already studied it, and in post #2 I defined in great detail what it is and why what many people call systemic racism is not.

I think you are getting there but.....

The only possible examples of systemic racism I could imagine being around today would be private clubs that may have unwritten laws discriminating illegally.

Do you think private clubs are the only ones with unwritten laws that discriminate illegally? If so, you still don't quite get it. It is unwritten laws that discriminate but it happens in many places. Not just private clubs.

 

[Astrid]

Sorry no deal; I will continue to assume nobody is qualified to speak for an entire race; and when you say something, you mean exactly what you say regardless of whether you're texting on a cell phone, or using a desk top. It is up to the person responding to do whatever it takes to make their point clear.

Suit yourself.

 

[Ken-1122]

Do you think private clubs are the only ones with unwritten laws that discriminate illegally? If so, you still don't quite get it. It is unwritten laws that discriminate but it happens in many places. Not just private clubs.

If the laws of the institution strictly forbid racism, (something private clubs aren’t required to have) and a group of people within the institution secretly decide to work outside the institution’s laws to discriminate, again; that is a people problem not a institutional problem.

 

[rturner76]

If the laws of the institution strictly forbid racism, (something private clubs aren’t required to have) and a group of people within the institution secretly decide to work outside the institution’s laws to discriminate, again; that is a people problem not a institutional problem.

If you are saying that because there are no racist laws systemic racism can't happen, you need to read up more on the topic. The institution of racism started a long time ago and we still feel the effects of it.

 

[Ken-1122]

Suit yourself.

Thank-you.

If you are saying that because there are no racist laws systemic racism can't happen, you need to read up more on the topic. The institution of racism started a long time ago and we still feel the effects of it.

There is a big difference between feeling the effects of something that existed in the past vs it existing today.

 

[rturner76]

There is a big difference between feeling the effects of something that existed in the past vs it existing today

The laws have changed but many hearts and minds haven't

 

[Ken-1122]

The laws have changed but many hearts and minds haven't

People are about hearts and minds, systems are about laws and policies.

 

[rturner76]

People are about hearts and minds, systems are about laws and policies.

Yeah, I think we are working from different definitions

 

[IWalkAlone]

But how do you define 'the system'? You can define it to include prevalent attitudes, stereotypes, and traditions that are held by a large amount of people, even if they are not technically written down or enforced.

People are racist against whites. Is that the system?

 

[Ken-1122]

Yeah, I think we are working from different definitions

How many systems do you know of that are based strictly on the hearts and minds of individual people?

 

[ArmenianJohn]

If so, how does it exist?

What do you mean when you say "systemic racism"?

 

[Ken-1122]

What do you mean when you say "systemic racism"?

Post #2 I gave a detailed definition of the term

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Post #2 I gave a detailed definition of the term

Can you show me where the OP agreed with and accepted your definition? I don't believe they do.

 

[rturner76]

How many systems do you know of that are based strictly on the hearts and minds of individual people?

There are many "systems" that could be examined. Courts, employment, housing, education, employment, and so on. We aren't talking in all or nothing terms so no people don't all make decisions in these areas strictly by hearts and minds. Raciam is a factor.

 

[IWalkAlone]

What do you mean when you say "systemic racism"?

Im Not talking about individuals being racist. Every race has its racists and its not systemic racism. Systemic racism is where the system of laws are racist. The law actually protects minorities so it can't be rscist

 

[IWalkAlone]

There are many "systems" that could be examined. Courts, employment, housing, education, employment, and so on. We aren't talking in all or nothing terms so no people don't all make decisions in these areas strictly by hearts and minds. Raciam is a factor.

The system is not racist. It actually protects minorities

 

[rturner76]

The system is not racist. It actually protects minorities

We've discussed this. We have different ideas on what systemic racism is and how it's applied. I recommend a more in-depth study. The best information is in academic journals. You can find arguments for and against it. The only problem is many of the journals charge a fee. There are some available to "borrow" for a limited time on some sites. Google Scholar is a good place to start.

 

[IWalkAlone]

We've discussed this. We have different ideas on what systemic racism is and how it's applied. I recommend a more in-depth study. The best information is in academic journals. You can find arguments for and against it. The only problem is many of the journals charge a fee. There are some available to "borrow" for a limited time on some sites. Google Scholar is a good place to start.

Your journals haven't helped you prove systemic racism

 

[rturner76]

Your journals haven't helped you prove systemic racism

You will only accept definitions based on your inaccurate definition of what systemic racism is