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Modern day systemic racism, does it exist?

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So there are no poor whites in the city? They all live in the country?

@Ken-1122 said "tend to gravitate," which you certainly know is not an assertion of an absolute condition, so your rhetoric implying otherwise is disingenuous.

But different cities have evolved differently, because there is always more than one thing happening.

Urban areas, particularly in the North, were often segregated by old ethnic enclaves from the early 1800s--Irish, German, Slavic, Italian, et cetera--and then with the Great Northern Migration in the early 1900s, black.

Racist redlining that was applied to the black enclaves was not applied to the white ethnic enclaves. That meant property values in those white enclaves were not artificially depressed...people could get home improvement loans, have new homes built, and other things that improve property values and encourage the more wealthy to remain. Moreover, redlining also prevented black areas from being purchased by black GIs under the GI home loan bill or by wealthier blacks, so there was not the post-war middle-class infusion that other areas enjoyed.

Eventually, though, white ethnics lost a lot of their ethnic uniqueness and later generations that were wealthy enough to move to the suburbs did so. Those areas often deteriorated into impoverished white urban areas. Walthier blacks also moved out to the suburbs.

Smaller northern cities that had neither white ethnic enclaves nor the great influx of blacks in the Great Northern Migration often did wind up with integrated poor areas of both blacks and whites.

Southern cities and towns, where segregated housing was more strictly defined, tended to evolve somewhat differently. From the very beginning, the "white part of town" had both its wealthy and its poor areas, both being distinctly separated from the "black part of town."

The black part of town also had both wealthier and poorer people as well (because of segregation), but still property values for wealthier blacks remained depressed for all because of racist city polies that restricted city services and schools in those areas. After the Civil Rights era, wealthier blacks began moving out to the 'burbs and into formerly all-white areas that had better services and schools.

It's probably worth some study to discover why lower-class whites seemed to have discovered mobile homes while lower-class blacks seem not to have done that...but that is an observable phenomenon.
 
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Can you point to a specific government of money that prevents whites from renting project housing that has the same rent as a trailer park? (and visa versa)
Not exactly
Actually I can only speak for how things are done in my state, and that is exactly how it is done. People on section 8 housing will see an apartment ad on "Craigslist" will respond to the ad asking if they take section 8. If they do, they put them in touch with their caseworker. Is it any different where you live? If so, how is it done?
 
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Is that because they want to?

Here's a personal story: I once found myself unemployed so I hid a doctorate so that I could get a job. Yeah it paid MASSIVELY less than I was technically worth. But I did it because I needed a job.

Why do you think black people might end up with jobs that don't pay well? Is it their "culture" as so many people on here like to talk about? They just like getting paid less?



That's the voice of privilege. But then you probably never had to hide an advanced degree so you could keep food on the table. Luxury.

Well I doubt that blacks are all hiding their doctorates so they can get a job.

I dont know why they are going for lesser paying jobs and degrees. It's obviously that they want to or they wouldn't be doing it. I don't know why and to my knowledge no one has really donr any in depth studies in it.

The opportunities are there for them.
 
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Well I doubt that blacks are all hiding their doctorates so they can get a job.

I dont know why they are going for lesser paying jobs and degrees. It's obviously that they want to or they wouldn't be doing it. I don't know why and to my knowledge no one has really donr any in depth studies in it.

The opportunities are there for them.
And why are whites getting paid less than Asians? Asians get better credit too. It doesn't seem to be racism
 
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FYI people who are poor don't often choose where they live, they live in what they can afford and who will allow the, to rent. Not a lot of choices for the poor

So it's not based on race. Why do you keep insinuating that it's based on race rather than on economics?
 
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It's probably worth some study to discover why lower-class whites seemed to have discovered mobile homes while lower-class blacks seem not to have done that...but that is an observable phenomenon.
I think in the north (where I'm from) had more factory jobs in the city and those were the main reason for black people to move north where the good jobs were (thinking of Gary Indiana situations) The factories left and the people who traveled to work them got stuck. I think the white people gravitated to the trailers because that was the cheap housing in rural areas.
 
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Can you point to a specific government of money that prevents whites from renting project housing that has the same rent as a trailer park? (and visa versa)
It doesn't prevent them from access. I guess it's just social distancing.
Actually I can only speak for how things are done in my state, and that is exactly how it is done. People on section 8 housing will see an apartment ad on "Craigslist" will respond to the ad asking if they take section 8. If they do, they put them in touch with their caseworker. Is it any different where you live? If so, how is it done?
Rentals advertise that they are section 8 and people on section 8 apply for those apartments.
 
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Why don't blacks do that?
Blacks were not allowed to keep their home culture or language. Nonkidnapped immigrants have their home language and culture.
 
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So it's not based on race. Why do you keep insinuating that it's based on race rather than on economics?
Choices are taken away at times by racist landlords. I've met a few.
 
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Who pushes them and how are they pushed?
They are pushed into the only places that will accept them. WHites are more readily accepted as renters.
 
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I dont know why they are going for lesser paying jobs and degrees.

They are taking the jobs available to them. That's what. And the fact that they wind up with less well paying job might just be the racism you refuse to see.

It's obviously that they want to or they wouldn't be doing it.

Spoken like someone who has never failed to get exactly what he wanted all the time. Or spoken like someone who had everything handed to him.

I don't know why and to my knowledge no one has really donr any in depth studies in it.

The opportunities are there for them.

Spoken from immense privilege. Congrats! You are quite fortunate. (Cue the whine about how hard YOU worked for EVERYTHING you got!)
 
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I think in the north (where I'm from) had more factory jobs in the city and those were the main reason for black people to move north where the good jobs were (thinking of Gary Indiana situations) The factories left and the people who traveled to work them got stuck. I think the white people gravitated to the trailers because that was the cheap housing in rural areas.

But I observe the same thing everywhere I've been, including smaller northern cities and all across the south. "Trailer park" is practically synonymous with "poor white."

Even down here in north Dallas suburbs, if there is a poorer area within the town, it's populated predominantly by blacks. In my city, we don't actually have a "hood," but it's an area within "old town" of tiny, old homes of black people that are well-kept...but on the other side of the old town center from the older homes of white people that were much, much nicer 60 years ago. However, go a bit north of old town and you run into the trailer park where the poor whites live.

I see that pattern all over. I don't know why.
 
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