The KJVO myth...

[trophy33]

Maybe so I don’t know, but it’s very odd that it doesn’t occur in the newer translations.

It does occur in any book in the world. You just did not do the work to search, count and associate, because you want to prove only the KJV.

 

[Bob_1000]

Or there is no connection between the two and you're seeing things that aren't there.

I see 13 represents love and there are 13 capitalized letters describing the mother of harlots. It is what is.

 

[trophy33]

I see 13 represents love and there are 13 capitalized letters describing the mother of harlots. It is what is.

This does not make any sense.

 

[Bob_1000]

Jesus can't possibly have been the 13th Apostle - it was he who chose the 12!

Ok I’m fine with that.

 

[Bob_1000]

This does not make any sense.

Why not?

 

[trophy33]

Why not?

Its all random association without any real connection.

I can say the number 13 represents justice or fear or whatever. Then count whatever I want in some book and associate it with whatever else. What sense does it make?

 

[robycop3]

The only evidence that any bible is inspired is through forensic evidence. I’m just sharing the forensic evidence that I’m aware of.

SCRIPTURE ITSELF was inspired, and God caused men to translate it. However, all translations are the produsts of imperfect men handling God's perfect word.

 

[robycop3]

You’re not KJV only so you can’t say the KJV teaches that “lie”. There’s no point debating preterism outside of the KJV because all the other bibles teach futurism and Jew worship.... and why is that? Because that’s what the translators believe and push on the ignorant readers.

I don't know which lie you believed first-the KJVO myth or the preterism myth. But one held the door open for the other, and both are nothing but lies.

 

[Bob_1000]

Its all random association without any real connection.

I can say the number 13 represents justice or fear or whatever. Then count whatever I want in some book and associate it with whatever else. What sense does it make?

Try it and see if that works. I’m not making up the meaning of numbers in the Bible. Take a look at a very simple example, the number 9.

Human gestation is 9 months.
There are 9 FRUITS of the spirit.
The Holy Ghost produces fruit in the believers like. The phrase Holy Ghost is found 90 times.

Noah began to bare fruit and replinish the earth in Genesis chapter 9.

These are just some of the things I can recall off the top of my head. 9 is the biblical number for fruit.

 

[robycop3]

OK, Sportzz Fanzz, I created a new thread against preterism. Bob, I hope you jump in on it. You've not done so hot trying to defend the false KJVO myth, and I'm curious as to why you believe the KJV justifies preterism.

 

[Bob_1000]

SCRIPTURE ITSELF was inspired, and God caused men to translate it. However, all translations are the produsts of imperfect men handling God's perfect word.

So God said here guys translate this the best you can, I don’t have time nor desire to help you do it.

Your making all of that up, you can’t supply one thing about God’s work that started out perfect and then corrupts.

 

[Bob_1000]

OK, Sportzz Fanzz, I created a new thread against preterism. Bob, I hope you jump in on it. You've not done so hot trying to defend the false KJVO myth, and I'm curious as to why you believe the KJV justifies preterism.

I will but it’ll go nowhere. First proof I present that proves a point you’re gonna go to another translation to refute it or your gonna tell me “what that really means is blah blah blah because this other verse says blah blah blah”. But I’m looking forward to it.

 

[Strong in Him]

I see 13 represents love and there are 13 capitalized letters describing the mother of harlots. It is what is.

It isn't anything.

Where are we told that the number 13 represents love?
Why do we need any number to represent love - God IS love, and the cross clearly shows us his love.

What has 13 capitalised letters got to do with anything?

 

[Strong in Him]

Try it and see if that works. I’m not making up the meaning of numbers in the Bible. Take a look at a very simple example, the number 9.

Human gestation is 9 months.

Generally, but some babies are born after 7 or 8 months.

There are 9 FRUITS of the spirit.

The FRUIT of the Spirit is - one fruit, 9 flavours.

The Holy Ghost produces fruit in the believers like. The phrase Holy Ghost is found 90 times.

Not in my Bible it's not.
He is personal, and referred to as he. He is a Spirit - God's Spirit - not a nebulous ghost.

Noah began to bare fruit and replinish the earth in Genesis chapter 9.

And as I've said before, there were no chapter divisions in the original Hebrew and Greek. These were added later by humans, not inspired by God.

There is no doubt that some numbers are used in the Bible to represent some things; 3 and 7 are the numbers that represent God, 6 is the number for man - 1 less than God.

But you can take it too far.
For example, Jesus said that when an unclean spirit is driven out from someone, it returns with 7 other spirits more wicked than itself. Anyone wanting to make another doctrine from that could use it to say that God and the devil are one - which is not only blasphemy but possibly the unforgiveable sin too. They could say that Lucifer has 7 letters. They could say that the 7th book of the Bible is Judges, and Matthew 7 begins with the words, "do not judge". Or that in Genesis 7 describes the flood - when all sinful and unclean things were washed away, that Mark chapter 7 talks of clean and unclean things and that John 7 describes Jesus at the feast of Tabernacles when he said that anyone who wants living water should go to him. Acts 7 describes how Stephen was stoned to death and Romans 7 tells of Paul's struggles with sin.
So does the number 7 represent God and everything that is pure - 7 spirits of the churches, 7 lampstands etc - or the devil, sin and anything that is unclean?
See what I mean; it gets ridiculous.

 

[robycop3]

So God said here guys translate this the best you can, I don’t have time nor desire to help you do it.

Your making all of that up, you can’t supply one thing about God’s work that started out perfect and then corrupts.

I showed you several goofs in the KJV & you can't disprove any of them.

 

[robycop3]

I will but it’ll go nowhere. First proof I present that proves a point you’re gonna go to another translation to refute it or your gonna tell me “what that really means is blah blah blah because this other verse says blah blah blah”. But I’m looking forward to it.

I'll even try to stick with the KJV to disprove your pret stuff.

 

[Bob_1000]

It isn't anything.

Where are we told that the number 13 represents love?
Why do we need any number to represent love - God IS love, and the cross clearly shows us his love.

What has 13 capitalised letters got to do with anything?

What’s the love chapter in the Bible that you think has uninspired chapter and verse numbers? 1 Corinthians THIRTEEN. Jesus and the twelve represent the pure love of the father.

Isaac was circumcised on 8th day, the number 8 represents new beginnings. There were 8 souls that came out of the ark to begin the earth again. Ishmael was circumcised the same day as Isaac but Ishmael was THIRTEEN. One is the result of pure love, the other is from harlot love.

You know maybe I don’t have the exact meaning of 13 correct but it’s obvious that the number 13 is associated with certain biblical principles. I don’t have these things written down, I’m pulling them from memory. There are verses that I can’t remember where they are that have 13 items listed that describe either pure love or harlot love.

 

[Der Alte]

What’s the love chapter in the Bible that you think has uninspired chapter and verse numbers? 1 Corinthians THIRTEEN. Jesus and the twelve represent the pure love of the father.

Isaac was circumcised on 8th day, the number 8 represents new beginnings. There were 8 souls that came out of the ark to begin the earth again. Ishmael was circumcised the same day as Isaac but Ishmael was THIRTEEN. One is the result of pure love, the other is from harlot love.

You know maybe I don’t have the exact meaning of 13 correct but it’s obvious that the number 13 is associated with certain biblical principles. I don’t have these things written down, I’m pulling them from memory. There are verses that I can’t remember where they are that have 13 items listed that describe either pure love or harlot love.

A 19th century scholar E.W. Bullinger wrote a book about this topic.
Number in Scripture by E.W. Bullinger

 

[Bob_1000]

Generally, but some babies are born after 7 or 8 months.



The FRUIT of the Spirit is - one fruit, 9 flavours.



Not in my Bible it's not.
He is personal, and referred to as he. He is a Spirit - God's Spirit - not a nebulous ghost.



And as I've said before, there were no chapter divisions in the original Hebrew and Greek. These were added later by humans, not inspired by God.

There is no doubt that some numbers are used in the Bible to represent some things; 3 and 7 are the numbers that represent God, 6 is the number for man - 1 less than God.

But you can take it too far.
For example, Jesus said that when an unclean spirit is driven out from someone, it returns with 7 other spirits more wicked than itself. Anyone wanting to make another doctrine from that could use it to say that God and the devil are one - which is not only blasphemy but possibly the unforgiveable sin too. They could say that Lucifer has 7 letters. They could say that the 7th book of the Bible is Judges, and Matthew 7 begins with the words, "do not judge". Or that in Genesis 7 describes the flood - when all sinful and unclean things were washed away, that Mark chapter 7 talks of clean and unclean things and that John 7 describes Jesus at the feast of Tabernacles when he said that anyone who wants living water should go to him. Acts 7 describes how Stephen was stoned to death and Romans 7 tells of Paul's struggles with sin.
So does the number 7 represent God and everything that is pure - 7 spirits of the churches, 7 lampstands etc - or the devil, sin and anything that is unclean?
See what I mean; it gets ridiculous.

The number 7 represents completeness.

 

[trophy33]

Try it and see if that works. I’m not making up the meaning of numbers in the Bible. Take a look at a very simple example, the number 9.

Human gestation is 9 months.
There are 9 FRUITS of the spirit.
The Holy Ghost produces fruit in the believers like. The phrase Holy Ghost is found 90 times.

Noah began to bare fruit and replinish the earth in Genesis chapter 9.

These are just some of the things I can recall off the top of my head. 9 is the biblical number for fruit.

I already did, but you ignored it:

For example, there are 33 verses with the word "devil" in NIV. There are 33 Vertebrae in the Spine.
There are 63 verses with the word "prophecy" in NIV. And there are 63 national parks in the USA.

BTW, the phrase Holy Ghost is found 91times in the original KJV you do not have.
And the number 91 represents, lets say, dignity.