What about hobbies on the Sabbath?

[guevaraj]

It is according how legalistic one might be.

Brother, you would understand that the law against sin and its punishment remains if you understood God's forgiveness. Our forgiven sins do not disappear with the death of Jesus! Jesus death is just the beginning of His intercessory ministry in the heavenly temple. Jesus as our High Priest transfers through His blood our punishment for our confessed sins to Satan. Satan will die not only for his sins, but also for our confessed sins handed over to our High Priest to transfer, as shown in the earthly copy of the heavenly temple service with Jesus now as our High Priest.

Here is the main point: We have a High Priest who sat down in the place of honor beside the throne of the majestic God in heaven. There he ministers in the heavenly Tabernacle, the true place of worship that was built by the Lord and not by human hands. And since every high priest is required to offer gifts and sacrifices, our High Priest must make an offering, too. If he were here on earth, he would not even be a priest, since there already are priests who offer the gifts required by the law. They serve in a system of worship that is only a copy, a shadow of the real one in heaven. For when Moses was getting ready to build the Tabernacle, God gave him this warning: “Be sure that you make everything according to the pattern I have shown you here on the mountain.” But now Jesus, our High Priest, has been given a ministry that is far superior to the old priesthood, for he is the one who mediates for us a far better covenant with God, based on better promises. (Hebrews 8:1-6 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[eleos1954]

Two out-of-context phrases don't mean much. Jesus is our Sabbath rest, not Saturday.

We do indeed rest in the promises of Jesus, however, we rest from our work on the 7th day just as God (Jesus) did.

The Sabbath Rest
(Genesis 2:1–3; Exodus 16:22–30)

1Therefore, while the promise of entering His rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be deemed to have fallen short of it. 2For we also received the good news just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, since they did not share the faith of those who comprehended it. 3Now we who have believed enter that rest. As for the others, it is just as God has said:

“So I swore on oath in My anger,
‘They shall never enter My rest.’ ”

And yet His works have been finished since the foundation of the world. 4For somewhere He has spoken about the seventh day in this manner: “And on the seventh day God rested from all His works.” 5And again, as He says in the passage above: “They shall never enter My rest.”6Since, then, it remains for some to enter His rest, and since those who formerly heard the good news did not enter because of their disobedience, 7God again designated a certain day as “Today,” when a long time later He spoke through David as was just stated: “Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts.”8For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9There remains, then, a Sabbath rest for the people of God. 10For whoever enters God’s rest (resting in Jesus) also rests from his own work, just as God did from His. 11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same pattern of disobedience.

Obviously talking about the seventh day Sabbath (make every effort to enter that rest)

Also ..... both resting in the Lord and from physical work on the seventh.

 

[seeking.IAM]

In my grandmother's house, you could make candy on the Sabbath, but you couldn't bake a pie. Reasoning? Baking a pie is work and candy is fun. You couldn't watch TV (causing someone to work) but you could play a board game or yard game. I loved going to my grandma's unless the 7th game of the world series was falling on the Sabbath.

In my house, hobbies on the Sabbath fall under "rest" as a deviation from the week's work routine.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Wouldn't using a chainsaw be making a fire??

Technically, it is (indirectly) making many fires, but it's not the same thing as building a fire. This is specially true if you can say it with one eyebrow raised significantly.

 

[SkyWriting]

Is it considered work to do hobbies on the Sabbath, like whittling wood, or painting, or sculpting, or knitting, or needlepoint etc?

Jesus is the Sabbath and you are free to do anything with Jesus in mind.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Technically, it is (indirectly) making many fires, but it's not the same thing as building a fire. This is specially true if you can say it with one eyebrow raised significantly.

Either way, eyebrow or not, cutting wood is still work...

 

[bekkilyn]

Is it considered work to do hobbies on the Sabbath, like whittling wood, or painting, or sculpting, or knitting, or needlepoint etc?

Personally I think it's a good idea to just go ahead and get started because by the time people are in agreement over which day is the Sabbath and who the Sabbath is and isn't for and which covenant(s) the Sabbath may or may not fall under, you could get quite good and be well on your way to sculpting, knitting, or painting a masterpiece!

 

[Bob S]

Even if someone was to be able to keep their minds on Holy whatever on some special day, could that person know for sure that it is that day that God set aside for Israel? History is full of Calander changes and the big change was the Worldwide setting of when the day starts, the International Date Line. The beginning of keeping of Sabbath began somewhere close to Mt Sinai and progressed Westwardly around the World. When the IDL was established, Sabbath began East of New Zealand and progressed around the World. Think about it all you who think you are doing more to please God than the remainder of us. If keeping a day is so important that if we don't we will lose our eternal inheritance wouldn't it have been a very simple fix to have given us a sign that one day be different than another?

 

[Danthemailman]

Two out-of-context phrases don't mean much. Jesus is our Sabbath rest, not Saturday.

Our 'sabbatismos' rest (Hebrews 4:9) is found in Christ and refers to our perpetual rest that those who believe the gospel have in Him in contrast with the nation of Israel keeping the weekly sabbath day under the Mosaic law. (Exodus 31:16-17; Deuteronomy 5:15)

 

[guevaraj]

Our 'sabbatismos' rest (Hebrews 4:9) is found in Christ and refers to our perpetual rest that those who believe the gospel have in Him in contrast with the nation of Israel keeping the weekly sabbath day under the Mosaic law. (Exodus 31:16-17; Deuteronomy 5:15)

Brother, you are changing the message of Hebrews 3 and 4 by changing the meaning of the word "rest" from what God said it means in the message to something other. The Hebrews 3 and 4 message identifies the "rest" as referring to when God rested from His labor after creating the world on the seventh day of the week of creation. The meaning of the word "rest" remains the same throughout the message. You have changed the meaning of the word "rest" from God's Sabbath "rest" in the Promised Land, that He tells us was not entered for 40 years with Manna, to something other than God's Sabbath "rest" in the Promised Land. When you stop trying to change the meaning of the word "rest" you will learn what those under Joshua failed to learn, that defined are the days of the week from morning to morning and that the Sabbath in the Promised Land is not the seventh day of the week as it was in Eden, but actually falls between two days of the week in the Promised Land because God's Sabbath is remembered in the Eden time zone.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” (Hebrews 4:1-5 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Danthemailman]

Brother, you are changing the message of Hebrews 3 and 4 by changing the meaning of the word "rest" from what God said it means in the message to something other. The Hebrews 3 and 4 message identifies the "rest" as referring to when God rested from His labor after creating the world on the seventh day of the week of creation. The meaning of the word "rest" remains the same throughout the message. You have changed the meaning of the word "rest" from God's Sabbath "rest" in the Promised Land, that He tells us was not entered for 40 years with Manna, to something other than God's Sabbath "rest" in the Promised Land. When you stop trying to change the meaning of the word "rest" you will learn what those under Joshua failed to learn, that defined are the days of the week from morning to morning and that the Sabbath in the Promised Land is not the seventh day of the week as it was in Eden, but actually falls between two days of the week in the Promised Land because God's Sabbath is remembered in the Eden time zone.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” (Hebrews 4:1-5 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

It’s you who is changing the message and by doing so are missing the big picture.

Hebrews 4:9 - So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. (NASB) Notice that the Greek word "sabbatismos" here is used no where else in the Bible!

W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary points out:
Sabbath rest (4520) (sabbatismos from sabbatízo = keep the Sabbath) literally means a keeping of a sabbath or a keeping of days of rest. It is used in this passage not in the literal sense (meaning to keep a specific day, the "Sabbath" day) but to describe a period of rest for God’s people which is modeled after and is a fulfillment of the traditional Sabbath.

SABBATISMOS a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law. Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into divine “rest,” that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God. (Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)

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[Servus]

Personally I think it's a good idea to just go ahead and get started because by the time people are in agreement over which day is the Sabbath and who the Sabbath is and isn't for and which covenant(s) the Sabbath may or may not fall under, you could get quite good and be well on your way to sculpting, knitting, or painting a masterpiece!

I don't do any of those things myself. I was just wondering strictly going by not Iaboring on the sabbath.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Is it considered work to do hobbies on the Sabbath, like whittling wood, or painting, or sculpting, or knitting, or needlepoint etc?

Some people take it to extremes and say you can’t even flip on a light switch or flush the toilet. I think these people just don’t understand the purpose of the law.

 

[guevaraj]

It’s you who is changing the message and by doing so are missing the big picture.

Brother, you will not understand both announcements in the message of Hebrews 3 and 4 about that "rest" if you change its meaning from what God tells us it means: His rest on the seventh day of creation. First, why didn't they go into that "rest" during the 40 years they kept the seventh day of the week with Manna before reaching the Promised Land? Second, why didn't Joshua give them that "rest" even though they entered God's Sabbath "rest" in the Promised Land? What is different from the Sabbath with Manna for 40 years and the Sabbath in the Promised Land?

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” (Hebrews 4:1-5 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Danthemailman]

Brother, you will not understand both announcements in the message of Hebrews 3 and 4 about that "rest" if you change its meaning from what God tells us it means: His rest on the seventh day of creation. First, why didn't they go into that "rest" during the 40 years they kept the seventh day of the week with Manna before reaching the Promised Land? Second, why didn't Joshua give them that "rest" even though they entered God's Sabbath "rest" in the Promised Land? What is different from the Sabbath with Manna for 40 years and the Sabbath in the Promised Land?

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” (Hebrews 4:1-5 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Here is an article from the Sabbatismos Ministries site that may help you to see the big picture better:

Sabbatismos Ministries: Finding Our Rest in Christ - New Covenant Sabbath Rest

 

[guevaraj]

Here is an article from the Sabbatismos Ministries site that may help you to see the big picture better: Sabbatismos Ministries: Finding Our Rest in Christ - New Covenant Sabbath Rest

Brother, reiterated are the ten commandments in the new covenant and not just nine recognized by a student mentioned in your link from Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary who has not understood Hebrews 3 and 4 as the call to do better than Judaism to keep the "rest" of God's Sabbath everywhere and not just in the Promised Land.

every other one of the Ten Commandments are repeated in the New Testament, with the exception of the Sabbath (James Hilton, M.Div. student at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary)​

Hebrews 3 and 4 reiterates the Sabbath corrected from Judaism's misunderstanding that the Sabbath is the seventh day of the week everywhere as it was in Eden when in the Promised Land, God tells us that it falls between two days of the week, 10 hours before the seventh day of the week in the Promised Land. Jennifer Rector, with most others, has misunderstood the message of Hebrews 3 and 4 by ignoring what God says the word "rest" means in the message and speculating some different meaning than what God says it means: His rest on the seventh day of creation.

Furthermore, because Jesus and the New Testament writers never reiterate the Sabbath command as they do the moral principles contained in the old covenant, Christians do not need to observe a literal Sabbath. (Jennifer Rector, April 2010)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[guevaraj]

Even if someone was to be able to keep their minds on Holy whatever on some special day, could that person know for sure that it is that day that God set aside for Israel? History is full of Calander changes and the big change was the Worldwide setting of when the day starts, the International Date Line. The beginning of keeping of Sabbath began somewhere close to Mt Sinai and progressed Westwardly around the World. When the IDL was established, Sabbath began East of New Zealand and progressed around the World. Think about it all you who think you are doing more to please God than the remainder of us. If keeping a day is so important that if we don't we will lose our eternal inheritance wouldn't it have been a very simple fix to have given us a sign that one day be different than another?

Brother, God provides a sign to know that you are keeping the correct Sabbath. God's prime meridian on the true International Date Line. Judaism does not understand why it is where it is because they have not understood God's definition of a day in Genesis or how to keep the Sabbath everywhere away from the Promised Land, as Hebrews 3 and 4 explains how to keep the "rest" of God's Sabbath correct everywhere and not just in the Promised Land since Joshua.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” (Hebrews 4:1-5 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Bob S]

Brother, God provides a sign to know that you are keeping the correct Sabbath. God's prime meridian on the true International Date Line. Judaism does not understand why it is where it is because they have not understood God's definition of a day in Genesis or how to keep the Sabbath everywhere away from the Promised Land, as Hebrews 3 and 4 explains how to keep the "rest" of God's Sabbath correct everywhere and not just in the Promised Land since Joshua.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” (Hebrews 4:1-5 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Wishful thinking.

 

[guevaraj]

Wishful thinking.

Brother, there are two announcements in the message of Hebrews 3 and 4 about God's "rest" on the seventh day of creation. First, why didn't they enter His "rest" during the 40 years that they kept the seventh day of the week with Manna before reaching the Promised Land? Second, why didn't Joshua give them the proper "rest" even though they entered God's "rest" in the Promised Land? What didn't those under Joshua understand about the Sabbath lesson with Manna? What is different about the Sabbath with Manna for 40 years and the Sabbath in the Promised Land?

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” (Hebrews 4:1-5 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[guevaraj]

Wishful thinking.

Brother, I'll give you a hint. One of those two Sabbaths falls on the seventh day of the week, the other does not. United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge