Walmart To Employees, "White is not Right"

[Astrid]

Are you trying to claim there's no overwhelming white supremacy in China? Hey man, it's everywhere.

Lemme check around and see if i missed something.

We did of course have the British dominating here
for a time. And often enough resented.

You might look up "market dominant minority"
which i think is the central cause of discontent in
the usa.

To me, "get smart" is the way to get even.

 

[bekkilyn]

In regards to systemic racism, believers should be able to....

1. Give an explanation of what it is .

2. Explain how the racism occurs/where its located in the system.

3. Explain how you identify systemic racism is occurring.

Most people who believe can copy a definition for #1....#2 and #3 though are impossible to answer without sound really silly or contradicting #1.

Maybe it's because I'm an atheist that I have no problem challenging beliefs people feel really strongly about...but I don't care if they get offended. Truth matters to me.

Unfortunately to some, atheism can be a very strong ideology in itself and end up getting offended by things in similar ways. I think regardless of where we are religiously or non-religiously, it is a good idea to regularly ask questions and figure out why we believe what we believe and it if it holds up under closer scrutiny. It's not that everything needs to be scientifically proven in order to be valid in every way, but we at least need to know how to appropriately define what we are adamantly supporting and why we are specifically doing so, especially if it does harm to others and perhaps especially to the people it claims to protect.

And I'm sure I'm not accounting for every possibility here, but the general gist of it is that we need to think things through better and not just assume something is beneficial (or not) simply because it's parroted to us as something positive.

 

[ViaCrucis]

It's a theory which teaches that white males, who are the ones in power, have systematically discriminated against and created disadvantages for everyone else in areas of education, employment, housing and so forth. And therefore white males are responsible for poor living conditions, poor employment, unemployment, crime, incarceration and so forth that everyone else experiences.

You're missing the key element: History. Historically white males have created systems that primarily have benefited other white males. Those systems therefore have historically made it more difficult for people of color, and women in general, to advance themselves the way white men have historically been able to advance themselves. Wealth is also a major factor--the rich have created and run systems that primarily favor and benefit themselves, at the expense of the poor.

Because these historical forces have been at work, many of our systems of government, education, economics, etc are still plagued by that history.

Yes, I--as a white male--have benefited from such systems. I've never had to face discrimination on the basis of the color of my skin. I've never been discriminated against because of my sexual reproductive organs. I've never been discriminated against on the basis of my sexuality. I've always been one of the "normals". I was born into a world that was designed to make me feel far more comfortable in it than those who are not like me.

That doesn't lead me to hate the color of my skin. I have pride in my Irish and German heritage. I celebrate it. So clearly recognizing my white privilege doesn't make me feel guilty for being white, or make me hate my ethnic and "racial" heritage. It just makes me aware of the ways I've benefited and, more importantly, that others have not benefited, and in fact many others have faced a lifetime of setbacks, obstacles, and roadblocks that are entirely outside of their control.

Do some people do a better job at explaining this than others? Well of course. But most people that I've seen who are educated and informed on these topics do a pretty good job of explaining it and making it quite easy to understand.

At the end of the day, however, this isn't anything that we haven't all, on some level, already known our entire lives. I've always known that I've benefited from being white, nobody actually had to tell me that. Even in my extremely conservative elementary school history classes I could read and learn about colonialism, the treatment of indigenous peoples, the Atlantic slave trade, the institution of slavery, Jim Crow, and the Civil Rights Movement. I could see how the one black kid in my class was treated differently than the rest of us with my own eyes. He wasn't bullied, or called slurs, but he was treated different. He was treated different than how I and all the other white kids were treated. I could see how uncomfortable he looked. And I was only 10 years old.

So explaining in greater detail things which, frankly, I already knew my whole life--but learning just how deep those problems run--has not made me feel bad about my DNA. But it has made me aware of just how deep the problems go, and just how deeply and desperately needed it is to address these things.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Ana the Ist]

Does this help?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism

All kinds of great examples from countries all over the world so you all won't feel so attacked

Unfortunately to some, atheism can be a very strong ideology in itself and end up getting offended by things in similar ways. I think regardless of where we are religiously or non-religiously, it is a good idea to regularly ask questions and figure out why we believe what we believe and it if it holds up under closer scrutiny. It's not that everything needs to be scientifically proven in order to be valid in every way, but we at least need to know how to appropriately define what we are adamantly supporting and why we are specifically doing so, especially if it does harm to others and perhaps especially to the people it claims to protect.

And I'm sure I'm not accounting for every possibility here, but the general gist of it is that we need to think things through better and not just assume something is beneficial (or not) simply because it's parroted to us as something positive.

That's as good a guess as any.

 

[bekkilyn]

But why was the black kid in the class mistreated? Was it because white kids were taught by parents in their homes that black people are inferior in some way, perhaps even with racist jokes or what-have-you, which could therefore be changed by developing better and more accurate mindsets, or is it because the system of elementary schools in general is racist because it was created by white people (men) and therefore needs to be torn down because it only benefits young white boys?

CRT as it is in current practice seems to be wanting to tear down the schools.

 

[Ana the Ist]

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If you have no idea then how can you argue either for or against it?.

Lots of reasons. I think it's disturbing that the people pushing this stuff use it to explain so much. I think it's troubling that the same group wants to indoctrination children with it. I find it absurd that so many public servants have been accused of it.

For example, are you for or against abagi?

I don't know what that is.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Lots of reasons. I think it's disturbing that the people pushing this stuff use it to explain so much.

Use what? You can't even explain what "it" is.

I think it's troubling that the same group wants to indoctrination children with it.

With what? You can't even explain what "it" is.

I find it absurd that so many public servants have been accused of it.

Accused of what? You can't even explain what "it" is. If you don't know what it is as it has never been explained to you then how can you find it absurd?

How can you have all these opinions of "it" when you don't even what what "it" is?

I don't know what that is.

You don't know what CRT is either but you still have your opinions on it.

Are you for or against abagi being used? Are you for or against abagi being taught to children? Are you for or against abagi being paid for and used in schools?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Does this help?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism

All kinds of great examples from countries all over the world so you all won't feel so attacked

Is systemic racism = institutional racism?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Use what? You can't even explain what "it" is.

The concept of systemic racism.

With what? You can't even explain what "it" is.

See above.

Accused of what? You can't even explain what "it" is. If you don't know what it is as it has never been explained to you then how can you find it absurd?

The absurd part is so many people like yourself say that systemic racism is a problem....yet you can't even explain it

How can you have all these opinions of "it" when you don't even what what "it" is?

Context.

You don't know what CRT is either.

Sure I do.

Are you for or against abagi being used? Are you for or against abagi being taught to children? Are you for or against abagi being paid for and used in schools?

Lol what is it?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Use what? You can't even explain what "it" is.

The concept of systemic racism.

With what? You can't even explain what "it" is.

See above.

Accused of what? You can't even explain what "it" is. If you don't know what it is as it has never been explained to you then how can you find it absurd?

The absurd part is so many people like yourself say that systemic racism is a problem....yet you can't even explain it

How can you have all these opinions of "it" when you don't even what what "it" is?

Context.

You don't know what CRT is either.

Sure I do.

Are you for or against abagi being used? Are you for or against abagi being taught to children? Are you for or against abagi being paid for and used in schools?

Lol what is it?

 

[ArmenianJohn]

The concept of systemic racism.

But you don't even know what that is - it's just words, like the word "abagi" which you also don't know. What is it?

See above.

Just looked above - you still don't know.

The absurd part is so many people like yourself say that systemic racism is a problem....yet you can't even explain it

But how can you say it's absurd when you yourself can't explain it?

Context.

What context?

Sure I do.

Then why can't you explain it?

Lol what is it?

Why do you need to know that in order to have your opinions on it? You haven't ever had CRT explained to you so you don't know what it is but you are arguing your opinions about it.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Because these historical forces have been at work, many of our systems of government, education, economics, etc are still plagued by that history.

Can you give an example of what you mean by this?

Yes, I--as a white male--have benefited from such systems. I've never had to face discrimination on the basis of the color of my skin. I've never been discriminated against because of my sexual reproductive organs. I've never been discriminated against on the basis of my sexuality. I've always been one of the "normals". I was born into a world that was designed to make me feel far more comfortable in it than those who are not like me.

That doesn't lead me to hate the color of my skin. I have pride in my Irish and German heritage. I celebrate it. So clearly recognizing my white privilege doesn't make me feel guilty for being white, or make me hate my ethnic and "racial" heritage. It just makes me aware of the ways I've benefited and, more importantly, that others have not benefited, and in fact many others have faced a lifetime of setbacks, obstacles, and roadblocks that are entirely outside of their control.

Do some people do a better job at explaining this than others? Well of course. But most people that I've seen who are educated and informed on these topics do a pretty good job of explaining it and making it quite easy to understand.

At the end of the day, however, this isn't anything that we haven't all, on some level, already known our entire lives. I've always known that I've benefited from being white, nobody actually had to tell me that. Even in my extremely conservative elementary school history classes I could read and learn about colonialism, the treatment of indigenous peoples, the Atlantic slave trade, the institution of slavery, Jim Crow, and the Civil Rights Movement. I could see how the one black kid in my class was treated differently than the rest of us with my own eyes. He wasn't bullied, or called slurs, but he was treated different. He was treated different than how I and all the other white kids were treated. I could see how uncomfortable he looked. And I was only 10 years old.

So explaining in greater detail things which, frankly, I already knew my whole life--but learning just how deep those problems run--has not made me feel bad about my DNA. But it has made me aware of just how deep the problems go, and just how deeply and desperately needed it is to address these things.

-CryptoLutheran

Can you give an example of how you would like to see these things addressed?

 

[Ana the Ist]

But you don't even know what that is - it's just words, like the word "abagi" which you also don't

Actually, I told you already. It's a concept trotted out by the left to explain complex social issues.

But how can you say it's absurd when you yourself can't explain it?

I already said how it's absurd. You have people taking various positions against systemic racism despite having no idea what it is.

What context?

It appears that people calling a system racist mean that a lot of racist people work in that system.

Then why can't you explain it?

I can.

Why do you need to know that in order to have your opinions on it? You haven't ever had CRT explained to you so you don't know what it is but you are arguing your opinions about it.

I've looked up CRT. I tried looking up systemic racism but it doesn't make any sense written down either.

 

[rambot]

Is systemic racism = institutional racism?

You wouldn't believe whether systemic racism = institutional racism. Click on the link to find out!

 

[Ana the Ist]

You wouldn't believe whether systemic racism = institutional racism. Click on the link to find out!

I used to think it was...but it seemed less likely over time.

You teasing the link like that made me think it's a rickroll.

 

[rambot]

That's as good a guess as any.

Don't understand the relationship between the two quotes

 

[rambot]

I used to think it was...but it seemed less likely over time.

You teasing the link like that made me think it's a rickroll.

No. I was referring to the fact that this is the first sentence in the wikki article I quoted:

Institutional racism, also known as systemic racism, is a term that refers to a form of racism that is embedded in the laws and regulations of a society or an organization.

So.....

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Actually, I told you already. It's a concept trotted out by the left to explain complex social issues.

You have yet to explain it and you clearly don't know or understand what it is.

I already said how it's absurd. You have people taking various positions against systemic racism despite having no idea what it is.

I see you taking a position against the concept of systemic racism despite having no idea what it is. I have seen others explain it and I have seen you say nobody has explained it and that you have no idea what it is. That's what I've seen so far.

It appears that people calling a system racist mean that a lot of racist people work in that system.

How can you say that when you don't know what it is because you haven't had it explained to you ever? "seems"??? So you admit you can only guess what it "seems" to be and have no actual knowledge about it. Got it.

I can.

Then why haven't you? You can't. Besides, you yourself have said that "nobody can explain it" - are you changing your story now? Someone (you, so you claim) CAN explain it? Wow, from having no idea to now being able to explain the thing that "nobody" can explain - what an imagination!

I've looked up CRT. I tried looking up systemic racism but it doesn't make any sense written down either.

And now you revert to saying it doesn't make any sense to you. Which is it - you understand it and can explain it or it doesn't make any sense to you?

Curious as to how your story will change again.

 

[Astrid]

Unfortunately to some, atheism can be a very strong ideology in itself and end up getting offended by things in similar ways. I think regardless of where we are religiously or non-religiously, it is a good idea to regularly ask questions and figure out why we believe what we believe and it if it holds up under closer scrutiny. It's not that everything needs to be scientifically proven in order to be valid in every way, but we at least need to know how to appropriately define what we are adamantly supporting and why we are specifically doing so, especially if it does harm to others and perhaps especially to the people it claims to protect.

And I'm sure I'm not accounting for every possibility here, but the general gist of it is that we need to think things through better and not just assume something is beneficial (or not) simply because it's parroted to us as something positive.

Can you walk through for me how my never having believed
believed the Christian god is real is an ideology?

 

[rambot]

Can you walk through for me how my never having believed
believed the Christian god is real is an ideology?

atheism is not about the Christian god, it's about any and every god. Your ideology is that gods don't exist.