The nonsense of "faith produces works"

[prophecy_uk]

They were, yes. The Gospel of the Kingdom, the good news of God governing mankind among mankind once again. Not a popular concept among self serving man and our institutions including religion. Their day will be done. The god of this world, mammon, gone. The salvation gospel that became the controlling narrative was an add on but definitely not the main gospel. It's not about us and what we can get out of what Jesus accomplished. It is about the will of the Father and His return. Why does man want to continually put himself first? Selfish self centred lot.

The government came to earth, hence why the Kingdom of God is within us, that means they with the Kingdom of God in them are governed by God now.

It explains why the Kingdom does not come with observation, why would you be looking out for what is already in you?

Salvation is by Gods living testimony, man gives testimony that is not alive. The difference between believing in the risen Lord, or hearing man that i dead while they live.

 

[Guojing]

All Christians are in the the church that is found in the new testament,

Romans 16:16
Greet one another with a Holy kiss. The churches of Christ greet you.

If you cannot say you are in the church of Christ as Paul was, as all 1st. Century christians were, then you are not in the Biblical church that was established by Jesus Christ.

What church are you in Guojing?

Paul was clear there was only Jesus' gospel.

Galatians 1:6-7
I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel,

WHICH IS NOT ANOTHER ; but there are some who trouble you( men like Guojing) and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.

Paul was clear, there is one gospel.

Guojing you go against Jesus and Paul and say there is multiple gospels. You will answer for denying the scriptures.

Give me an answer Guojing,

The church at Corinth had both jew and gentiles worshiping together on the first day of the week, Acts 20:7 and throughout the week.

Now explain how jew and gentile both heard different gospels as you claim in fellowship with one another on the Lords day?

Did the church at Corinth hve a worship service for the jewish christians then have a seperate worship service and another gospel for the gentile Christians?

If jews and gentiles who were christians worshipped together as they clearly did at the church in Corinth. How is that possible if there are as you claim a gospel only for gentiles and a gospel only for the jews?

If your church's doctrine of two gospels is true then Jews and gentiles in the same church could not have heard the same gospel on the Lords day, yet that is exactly what they did hear preached, the one true gospel of Jesus Christ.

Acts 13:44
On the next Sabbath ALMOST THE WHOLE CITY CAME TOGETHER TO HEAR THE WORD OF GOD. The whole city was gentiles and jews!!!!

Both jew and gentile heard the ONE gospel preached by Paul this day.

Acts 13:45-47
But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy; and contradicting and blaspheming they opposed the things spoken by Paul,

Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, it was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold we turn to the Gentiles.

For the Lord has commanded us: I have set you as a light to the gentiles, that you should be for salvation to the ends of the earth.

The very next verse says many gentiles believed right then and there!!!

Paul preached to the multitudes both jew and gentile the gospel.

Gentiles hearing this gospel from Paul believed.

This was the same gospel the Jews heard for they also were a part of the multitude, and many Jews rejected the gospel of Jesus Christ.

There was only one gospel Paul was preaching to jew and gentiles in Acts 13:. Paul had not even began to go and preach only to gentiles at this time in his ministry.

Therefore both jew and gentile were obeying and rejecting this one gospel Paul was preaching at this time.

If two gospels why was gentiles believing Paul's gospel preaching and being saved before Paul went specifically to the gentiles after this occurred in Acts 13?

The obvious and honest answer is, Paul's gospel he preached to jews was the same gospel he preached to gentiles. Acts 13 confirms this fact.

Now the jew and gentile church at Corinth,

Acts 14:1
Now it happened in Iconium that they went together to the synagogue of the Jews and so spoke that a great multitude BOTH OF JEWS AND OF THE GREEKS BELIEVED.

Here agian Paul's gospel was preached to jew and gentile!!!!

They both believed this ONE GOSPEL!!!

They both were saved by this one gospel of Jesus Christ.

Read the entire chapter of Acts 14.

You will learn both Jews and Gentiles were being saved by Paul's preaching. And both jew and gentile were added to THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!!!

Acts 14:21-22
And when they had preached the gospel to that city and made many disciples, they returned to Lystra, Iconium, and Antioch,

Strengthening souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in THE FAITH, and saying, We must through many tribulations ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

So they had appointed elders in every church and prayed with fasting, they commended them(jew and greek) to the Lord in whom they had believed.

Now Paul is going to tell the Christian jews not to circumcise the Christian gentile converts to Christ.

Paul preached and converted these jews and gentiles with the same gospel.

Acts 15:1-11
Verse 3 So, being sent on their way by the church, they passed through phoenicia and samaria, describing the conversion of the gentiles; and they caused great joy to all the brethren.

And when they had come to Jerusalem, they(Paul and Barnabas) they were received by the church and the apostles and the elders: and they reported all things that God had done with them.

But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying It is necessary to circumcise them(gentile christians) and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

Now the apostles(All of the apostles: Paul, Peter etc.) And elders came together to consider this matter.

And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: Men and brethren you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.

So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us,

And made NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN US AND THEM, purifying their hearts by faith.

Now Peter is going to teach that Jews and gentiles are both saved in the same manner!!!

If the gospel of the Jews according to dispensationalism is a works based gospel and the gentile gospel is a grace and no works based gospel, HOW CAN PETER SAY BOTH JEW AND GENTILE WILL BE SAVED IN THE SAME MANNER?

Verse 11
But we believe that through the GRACE of the Lord Jesus Christ WE(both jew and gentile saved by grace) SHALL BE SAVED IN THE SAME MANNER AS THEY.

Verse12
Then all the multitude(Jews and gentiles) kept silent and listened to Barnabas and Paul declaring how many miracles and wonders God had worked them among the gentiles

There is overwhelming evidence that both jew and gentile were saved by the same gospel of Jesus Christ preached by all the apostles.

It is an imaginary man made false doctrine that there are more than one gospel of Jesus Christ.

The gospel is for all, Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST, for it is the power of God to salvation FOR EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES, FOR THE JEW FIRST AND ALSO FOR THE GREEK.

Instead of spamming different verses, why not address what acts 10:35 meant to you?

What does work righteousness means?

 

[New Testament Christian]

Instead of spamming different verses, why not address what acts 10:35 meant to you?

What does work righteousness means?

When are you going to stop your interrogation and answer some of my questions?

 

[prophecy_uk]

When are you going to stop your integration and answer some of my questions?

Proverbs 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

Proverbs 26:20 Where no wood is, there the fire goeth out: so where there is no talebearer, the strife ceaseth.

Proverbs 26:21 As coals are to burning coals, and wood to fire; so is a contentious man to kindle strife.

 

[New Testament Christian]

When are you going to stop your integration and answer some of my questions?

Instead of spamming different verses, why not address what acts 10:35 meant to you?

What does work righteousness means?

It means what it says,

Those who work righteousness will be saved,

Those who reject to work righteousness will not be.

It's simple and is to all.

Heres Paul teaching about saving faith,
Galatians 5:6
For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; buy faith which worketh by love

 

[New Testament Christian]

Proverbs 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

Proverbs 26:20 Where no wood is, there the fire goeth out: so where there is no talebearer, the strife ceaseth.

Proverbs 26:21 As coals are to burning coals, and wood to fire; so is a contentious man to kindle strife.

Are you using these verses to describe me, Guojing or yourself?

 

[prophecy_uk]

Are you using these verses to describe me, Guojing or yourself?

James 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

 

[prophecy_uk]

Are you using these verses to describe me, Guojing or yourself?

2 Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[prophecy_uk]

Heres Paul teaching about saving faith,
Galatians 5:6
For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; buy faith which worketh by love

Yes it is Apostle Paul's teaching.


Who was not taught the Gospel, but by revelation of Jesus Christ..


Galatians 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.



And told us this too...


Hebrews 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.


Ephesians 4:17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
20 But ye have not so learned Christ;
21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:



Even as Jesus taught us..



John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

 

[prophecy_uk]

Here is one last teaching for us all, new testament Christian..



1 Corinthians 4:10 We are fools for Christ's sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised.
11 Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace;
12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:
13 Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.
14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.
15 For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.



1 Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

 

[New Testament Christian]

Here is one last teaching for us all, new testament Christian..



1 Corinthians 4:10 We are fools for Christ's sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised.
11 Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace;
12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:
13 Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.
14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.
15 For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

It would be helpful UK prophecy, if you first learned what the scriptures you quote mean. Then teach them to others.



1 Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

It would be helpful to first learn what these scriptures mean before teaching others UK prophecy.

 

[prophecy_uk]

Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.


2 Timothy 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.


2 Timothy 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

 

[prophecy_uk]

The scriptures mean this new test, they mean that they are living, Spirit, and if you teach letter, they are dead in your hands.


Why else are we told, to not love in word and tongue, neither can you teach by word and tongue, but by this..





2 Corinthians 6:3 Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed:
4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,
5 In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings;
6 By pureness, by knowledge, by long suffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,
7 By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,
8 By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true;
9 As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed;
10 As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.
11 O ye Corinthians, our mouth is open unto you, our heart is enlarged.
12 Ye are not straitened in us, but ye are straitened in your own bowels.




Do you teach this new testament ( BY ENSAMPLE)..


Philippians 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.

2 Thessalonians 3:9 Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us.

 

[prophecy_uk]

If you do not, go teach someone else this way..


Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and BY GOOD WORDS AND FAIR SPEECHES DECEIVE THE HEARTS OF THE SIMPLE.
19 For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.
20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

The end comes when faith is no more, and the snare is on all people. This is the same as with Noah, preaching righteousness but all turn away ( as all have done on this forum and I wont be back ever again)"

Speaking of prophecy, that’s one that didn’t pan out.

 

[New Testament Christian]

Speaking of prophecy, that’s one that didn’t pan out.

Prophecy UK loves to hear his own self too much to ever go away.

Good quote Sir

 

[New Testament Christian]

If you do not, go teach someone else this way..


Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and BY GOOD WORDS AND FAIR SPEECHES DECEIVE THE HEARTS OF THE SIMPLE.
19 For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.
20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

You really need to study the verses you keep using to show a person is chosen by God to become a Christian and be unsaved.

Your argument is ridiculous Sir.

God is the one who saves us.

He is the one who names us christians.

God never would name one a Christian if He has not already saved them.

Every verse in your last post to me is teaching on christians becoming unfaithful to God. This includes christians who will become unbelievers and loose their faith in Jesus Christ.

Not one of these verses says anything about a Christian NEVER being saved when God made them a Christian. Only AFTER they have been saved do they fall away, Galatians 5:4 just as Paul taught.

Fact: No one is chosen by God to become His child and still lost in their sins.

Your doctrine of christians never being saved is unbiblical.

2Peter 2 these wolves have already escaped the pollutions of the world ie SAVED but fall away, now LOST.

Hebrews 6:4 same error , these christians WERE ONCE ENLIGHTENED ie SAVED now they have fallen away, LOST.

These verses do not teach christians have never been saved. They teach saved christians can fall away and be lost.

OSAS and perseverance of the saints is false doctrine.

Why should I take advice from a person who is ignorant, UK prophecy?

 

[timothyu]

it does not automatically make them the same gospel.

Of course not. As I have been saying, the Gospel of the Kingdom is what Jesus and Paul taught, that God was coming back to overthrow the governance and institutions of man. Don't sell the Lord's Prayer short. And if you believe they taught separate gospels under the same name, then obviously the choice would be Jesus' version, the original.

 

[timothyu]

The government came to earth, hence why the Kingdom of God is within us, that means they with the Kingdom of God in them are governed by God now.

Which means their numbers are few considering the Christian interest in the ways of man, both politically and by ways of mammon.

 

[Guojing]

It means what it says,

Those who work righteousness will be saved,

Those who reject to work righteousness will not be.

It's simple and is to all.

So you do agree that Peter was preaching to Cornelius in that verse that you need to do works to be righteous before God.

Its similar to what John would also preached to Israel in 1 John

1 John 2:28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming. 29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him

1 John 3:
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

You can see that Peter is preaching the same as John, who is preaching the same as Jesus in the 4 Gospels in Matthew 5:17-19. Under the gospel of the kingdom, faith AND works are both required for salvation.

As a Church of Christ christian, your favorite passage, Mark 16:16 also reflects that same gospel.