Are non-Jewish Christians commanded to keep the 7th Day Sabbath

[HIM]

(Romans 8:4) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

 

[Saint Steven]

Gods' 4th commandment is in the two that summarizes the ten according to the scriptures.

That's yet another workaround. "The two summarizes the Ten." (thus inferring support by Christ of the Sabbath)

You NEED the workaround because there is NOTHING definitive. There is no definitive teaching, so you cite EXAMPLE. But example fails so you concoct your "two summarizes the Ten" scheme. It's a house of cards. Or built on sand, to use the biblical example.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

God only deemed one day as HIS HOLY DAY. So clearly spelled out in scripture. Exodus 20:10, Isaiah 58:13. God wants us to keep the same day that is holy for Him, holy for us. Exodus 20:8-10. This makes sense because we do not have a God of confusion, but the devil we are told deceives the whole world and has.

The one commandment that uses the word holy, is about spending time with God and is the one commandment we are told to REMEMBER is not the one commandment God wants us to forget.

I think many know this but are trying to convince themselves so many people can’t be wrong. I would listen to the warning Jesus gives us Matthew 15:3-9, Matthew 7:13-14

You cannot change God or the will of God which is the same for us in heaven as it is on earth. On the New Earth we will be worshipping our Lord and Savior on HIS HOLY DAY that has not changed Isaiah 66:23 from the beginning Gensis 2:1-3 and if you do not want to prepare NOW for Heaven and the second coming of Jesus by keeping holy the day that is the Holy day of they Lord thy God and ONLY day God commanded us to Exodus 20:-8-11 I would be concerned because just like the days of Noah so will it be like with the second coming of Jesus. Most did not beleive Noah. Most do not beleive God when He told us to REMEMBER. I would not want to gamble with this one commandment that uses the word holy and is about spending time with God.

We are told Blessed are those who DO His commandments. The Sabbath is a commandment of God personally written by our Savior.

Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

 

[Saint Steven]

Love is expressed through obedience to Gods' law and is the new covenant promise written on the heart to love God and keep His commandments.

What's NEW about the new covenant you claim? NOTHING! You can't claim a NEW covenant by taking the old covenant rewriting it on a new material. Covenant means agreement. Where's the NEW agreement?

Imagine paying off the mortgage on your home and then you are presented with a new contract, but printed on bright yellow paper this time. (as opposed to the white paper on the original) Would you begin paying for the house again having just completed the original contract?

The old covenant was paid for. Why do you continue paying?

 

[Saint Steven]

There is no such scripture in regards to 611 or 613. We should be careful therefore to believe and follow what Gods' Word says

Wow. You guys are terrified by the inquiry about how many laws. You absolutely refuse to answer the question. - lol

The truth is that you are saddling yourselves with the whole law, all 611 or 613 laws, when you take that yoke upon yourselves. The Apostle Peter said it best.

Acts 15:10 NIV
Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Are gentile Christians ever commanded to observe the seventh day Sabbath? Show me one verse, 2 or more would be better, stating that gentile Christians must observe the seventh day Sabbath.
When the first ecumenical church council met Acts 15 to discuss the requirements for gentile Christians, that council enumerated only four requirements, abstain from pollutions of idols, from fornication, from things strangled and from blood. These four requirements are repeated twice in Acts 15 and again once in Acts 21.

Jesus answers your first questions and clears up any confusion who the Sabbath was made for Mark 2:27

Maybe you missed this response from @LoveGodsWord who gives a detailed explanation on the widely misinterpreted Acts 15

Some try to use Acts of the Apostles 15 to try and argue that God's 10 commandments have been abolished which is an unbiblical teaching that has Paul in contradiction with Paul that disagrees with the rest of the bible. An interpretation that Acts of the Apostles 15 is talking about abolishing God's 10 commandments has Paul in contradiction with Paul when he says some time after the decision at Jerusalem to the Corinthian believers in 1 Corinthians 7:19Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. Acts of the Apostles 15 therefore has nothing to do with anyone of God’s 10 commandments. It is over the question “Is the shadow law of circumcision from the law of Moses (not God’s 10 commandments) a requirement for salvation? This was the question that Paul and Barnabas went to Jerusalem to discuss. Lets look at the scriptures

ACTS OF THE APOSTLES IN CONTEXT AND THE QUESTION BEING ANSWERED IN JERUSALEM?

ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 15:1-21
[1], And certain men who came down from Judea taught the brethren, and said, EXCEPT YOU BE CIRCUMCISED AFTER THE MANNER OF MOSES YOU CANNOT BE SAVED.

NOTE: ACTS 15:1 is the question that needs to be answered and the topic of conversation and CONTEXT of the chapter of ACTS 15. Here we have Jewish believers coming to Paul and Barnabas saying if the new gentiles believers are not circumcised and made proselytes then they cannot be saved. This is the chapter context and question of contention.

[2], When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and dispute with them, THEY DETERMINED THAT PAUL AND BARNABAS AND CERTAIN OF THEM SHOULD GO UP TO JERUSALEM UNTO THE APOSTLES AND ELDERS ABOUT THIS QUESTION.

NOTE: ACTS 15:2 Which question? Weather your salvation depends on being circumcised.
They then traveled to Jerusalem about this question to determine if new gentile believers needed to be circumcised in order to be saved. Once they got to Jerusalem, the question was then asked and the discussion continued with the Pharisees stating their case first..

[5], But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees who believed, saying, It is needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

NOTE: Keep in mind here the question was never over if gentile believers should obey God's 10 Commandments but to keep the Shadow laws of Moses, in this case circumcision as a means of salvation. Circumcision is from the law of Moses and is not one of God’s 10 Commandments written by God on two tables of stone.

[6], And the apostles and elders came together TO CONSIDER THIS MATTER.

NOTE: Again the topic of discussion and chapter CONTEXT that is being considered is the question stated in ACTS 15:1 which was IS CIRCUMCISION A REQUIREMENT OF SALVATION?

[7], And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, you know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
[8], And God, who knows the hearts, bore them witness, giving them the Holy Spirit, even as he did unto us;

NOTE: After much discussion between the Apostles, Peter then rose up showing that God gave the gentile believers the Holy Spirit being UNCIRCUMCISED.

[9], And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
[10], Now therefore why test God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
[11], But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
[12], Then all the multitude kept silence, and listened to Barnabas and Paul declaring what miracles and wonders God had done among the Gentiles by them.
[13], And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
[14], Simeon has declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
[15], And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
[16], After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
[17], That the rest of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, says the Lord, who does all these things.
[18], Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
[19], THEREFORE MY JUDGMENT IS THAT WE TROUBLE NOT THEM WHO FROM THE GENTILES ARE TURNED TO GOD:
[20], BUT WRITE UNTO THEM THAT THEY ABSTAIN FROM THE DEFILEMENT OF IDOLS, FORNICATION AND THINGS STRANGLED AND FROM BLOOD.

NOTE: JAMES conclusion is that new Gentile believers should not be troubled with CIRCUMCISION as a requirement of salvation which was the matter being considered and the question being discussion as shown in *ACTS 15:1-2; ACTS 15:6 but asks them to abstain from idols, fornication and from things strangled and from blood.

[21], FOR MOSES OF OLD TIME HAS IN EVERY CITY THEM THAT PREACH HIM, BEING READ IN THE SYNAGOGUES EVERY SABBATH.

NOTE: The reason why JAMES sends this letter to the new Gentile believers is that they would continue learning God's WORD EVERY SABBATH.

They came to the conclusion then that salvation is not by being circumcised but by what circumcision pointed to. A new heart by faith. This is made plain latter in other scripture written by PAUL here...

ROMANS 2 [25] For circumcision verily profits, if you keep the law: but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision is made uncircumcision. [26], Therefore if the uncircumcision keeps the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? [27], And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfils the law, judge you, who by the letter and circumcision do transgress the law? [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW, WHO IS ONE; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OF THE OUTWARD FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; AND CIRCUMCISION IS THAT OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT AND NOT IN THE LETTER; WHOSE PRAISE IS NOT OF MEN BUT OF GOD.

If ACTS 15 was talking about the 10 Commandments then Paul's writings in to the CORINTHIANS do not make any sense and makes Paul a hypocrite which we know he is not.

1 CORINTHIANS 7 [19] CIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, AND UNCIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.

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CONCLUSION: The context and the question seeking to be answered at Jerusalem is shown in Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2 which is the context of the chapter says [1], And certain men which came down from Judea taught the brothers, and said, EXCEPT YOU BE CIRCUMCISED AFTER THE MANNER OF MOSES YOU CANNOT BE SAVED. [2], When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, THEY DETERMINED THAT PAUL AND BARNABAS AND CERTAIN OF THEN SHOULD GO TO JERUSALEM TO THE APOSTLES AND ELDERS ABOUT THIS QUESTION. An interpretation of Acts of the Apostles 15 that Gods' 10 commandments have now been abolished has Paul in contradiction with Paul when he says sometime latter after the decision at Jerusalem to the Corinthians believers in 1 Corinthians 7:19 [19] Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. Acts 15 was never over the question are God's 10 commandments still the standard for Christian living. It was over the question is circumcision a requirement for salvation for gentile believers (Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2). God's Word does not teach the false doctrine of lawlessness (without law). This is not biblical and a false teaching that has led many away from God and His Word.

 

[Servus]

If there are other commands besides the ten, then why do you keep saying the 10 commandments are our duty?

Are the other commandments not our duty?

If the law and prophets hang on the two, that includes everything in the law and the prophets.



and other commands besides the ten. You keep saying no one is denying other commands. Then you turn right around and refer only to the ten again.

It seems the ten are only mentioned because the real focus is on the fourth of the ten, which is the topic of this thread.

 

[Servus]

I pointed out your mistake on the two commandments.

But the statement you are quoting here is about your constant gaslighting of MMX and other posters. You post repeatedly about how those who reject God's word will be lost, their faith is the dead faith of devils etc. . But when they ask if that is what you are saying you deny it.

You better own it if you think that is what God's word says. If the Sabbath is true, can they knowingly reject it and be saved?

Are you actually going to give a warning, or just gaslight and dance around it?

Ah yes gaslighting. That's exactly what I've been experiencing. I'm familiar with the term and it's meaning, but it had escaped me when I was trying to put into words what was going on. How can I put any trust in the words of someone who engages in gaslighting? No one who's being straightforward and honest would gaslight.

 

[Saint Steven]

All Nations through His Spirit, through them and their testimony.
Matt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Matt 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

I suppose you are claiming the Jesus gave us the TCs. (because of his deity)

I find it interesting that he treated the law as hearsay in the Sermon on the Mount. "You have heard that it was said to the people long ago... but I tell you..." (quote from memory) Thus replacing the law with his own teachings.

 

[Hezekiah81]

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

People blatantly reject these truths of God's word when shown. You can't say you love and not obey, and you can't say you obey but don't love your brother. These people that reject God's law are lost sheep with no shepherd, but you know what God most high says, he shall send them strong delusion that they should believe the lie because they did not receive the love of the truth. God bless you.

 

[Saint Steven]

It seems the ten are only mentioned because the real focus is on the fourth of the ten, which is the topic of this thread.

I actually believe that the presence of the Sabbath commandment in the Ten proves that the Ten are not for us. We are told elsewhere that the Sabbath is a sign between Israel and God alone.

1. Exodus 31:13
   “Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy.
   
   
2. Ezekiel 20:12
   Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the Lord made them holy.
   
   
3. Ezekiel 20:20
   Keep my Sabbaths holy, that they may be a sign between us. Then you will know that I am the Lord your God.”
   
   
4. John 9:16
   Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.” But others asked, “How can a sinner perform such signs?” So they were divided.

 

[Servus]

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[SabbathBlessings]

I actually believe that the presence of the Sabbath commandment in the Ten proves that the Ten are not for us. We are told elsewhere that the Sabbath is a sign between Israel and God alone.

1. Exodus 31:13
   “Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy.
   
   
2. Ezekiel 20:12
   Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the Lord made them holy.
   
   
3. Ezekiel 20:20
   Keep my Sabbaths holy, that they may be a sign between us. Then you will know that I am the Lord your God.”
   
   
4. John 9:16
   Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.” But others asked, “How can a sinner perform such signs?” So they were divided.

If you don’t want to have a sign between God and yourself that you are one of His people, than you can feel free to make this argument. Just like we are told God’s saints keeps the commandments of God, which includes the 4th commandment Revelations 14:12

Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27 so this should clear up any confusion about who the Sabbath is made for.

 

[Servus]

I actually believe that the presence of the Sabbath commandment in the Ten proves that the Ten are not for us. We are told elsewhere that the Sabbath is a sign between Israel and God alone.

1. Exodus 31:13
   “Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy.
   
   
2. Ezekiel 20:12
   Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the Lord made them holy.
   
   
3. Ezekiel 20:20
   Keep my Sabbaths holy, that they may be a sign between us. Then you will know that I am the Lord your God.”
   
   
4. John 9:16
   Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.” But others asked, “How can a sinner perform such signs?” So they were divided.

Every one of the ten commandments are reiterated to be kept in the New Testament - Except the fourth commandment.

Anything about gentile Christians keeping the fourth commandment in the New Testament is conspicuously missing.

But I suppose that was just an oversight on the part of Jesus and the Apostles. They meant to make it clear that gentile Christians must observe the sabbath, but it somehow slipped their mind.

Or better yet - conspiracy theory - the Catholics erased it from the New Testament.

 

[Hezekiah81]

I actually believe that the presence of the Sabbath commandment in the Ten proves that the Ten are not for us. We are told elsewhere that the Sabbath is a sign between Israel and God alone.

1. Exodus 31:13
   “Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy.
   
   
2. Ezekiel 20:12
   Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the Lord made them holy.
   
   
3. Ezekiel 20:20
   Keep my Sabbaths holy, that they may be a sign between us. Then you will know that I am the Lord your God.”
   
   
4. John 9:16
   Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.” But others asked, “How can a sinner perform such signs?” So they were divided.

Know you not that you've been grafted in and are Abraham's seed?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Every one of the ten commandments are reiterated to be kept in the New Testament - Except the fourth commandment.

Anything about keeping the fourth commandment in the New Testament is conspicuously missing.

But I suppose that was just an oversight on the part of Jesus and the Apostles. They meant to make it clear that gentile Christians must observe the sabbath, but it somehow slipped their mind.

Or better yet - conspiracy theory - the Catholics erased it from the New Testament.

Does God have to repeat Himself for you to obey? The Sabbath is mentioned 60 times in the New Testament and showing it is still a commandments Luke 56:23

All the commandments are in the New Testament.

1. "You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve" (Matthew 4:10).
2. "Little children, keep yourselves from idols" (1 John 5:21). "Since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising" (Acts 17:29).
3. "That the name of God and His doctrine may not be blasphemed" (1 Timothy 6:1).
4. "He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: 'And God rested on the seventh day from all His works.' There remains therefore a rest ["keeping of a sabbath," margin] for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His" (Hebrews 4:4, 9, 10).
5. "Honor your father and your mother" (Matthew 19:19).
6. "You shall not murder" (Romans 13:9).
7. "You shall not commit adultery" (Matthew 19:18).
8. "You shall not steal" (Romans 13:9).
9. "You shall not bear false witness" (Romans 13:9).
10. "You shall not covet" (Romans 7:7).

 

[Servus]

4. "He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: 'And God rested on the seventh day from all His works.' There remains therefore a rest ["keeping of a sabbath," margin] for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His" (Hebrews 4:4, 9, 10).

Where in that does it say gentile Christians are required to keep the 7th day sabbath?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Where in that does it say gentile Christians are required to keep the 7th day sabbath?

Where does it say not to vain God’s name are you going to do that too? If you do not want to be part of the New Covenant and the promises of God which grafts in Gentiles that is your choice.

By the way maybe you can provide the scripture where God made a covenant with the gentiles? Since you feel you are not grafted in the Covenant He made with Israel. I would want to find this since according to you there are two gospels preached and not one.

 

[Servus]

Where does it say not to vain God’s name are you going to do that too? If you do not want to be part of the New Covenant and the promises of God which grafts in Gentiles that is your choice.

You already listed that: 3. "That the name of God and His doctrine may not be blasphemed" (1 Timothy 6:1).

So how about giving a straightforward answer to my question instead of avoiding it, dancing around it etc?

Once again:

4. "He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: 'And God rested on the seventh day from all His works.' There remains therefore a rest ["keeping of a sabbath," margin] for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His" (Hebrews 4:4, 9, 10).

Where in that does it say gentile Christians are required to keep the 7th day sabbath?

 

[Hezekiah81]

Where does it say not to vain God’s name are you going to do that too? If you do not want to be part of the New Covenant and the promises of God which grafts in Gentiles that is your choice.

By the way maybe you can provide the scripture where God made a covenant with the gentiles? Since you feel you are not grafted in the Covenant He made with Israel. I would want to find this since according to you there are two gospels preached and not one.

Christ says no schism in the body which is exactly what these law abolishers are doing. They're trying to separate themselves but that's no surprise it's man's nature not God's. Also news alert there is no jew or gentile. God bless you.