Are non-Jewish Christians commanded to keep the 7th Day Sabbath

[SabbathBlessings]

You're just trying to divert from the observation that you and others give interpretations of scripture that are handed down from Ellen White's teaching, while claiming you don't follow the teaching of man. It's the Ellen White interpretation of scripture verses the orthodox interpretation of scripture. That's just the way it is and one must choose either one interpretation or the other.

Really this again? You are a broken record. Please show me anywhere I have quoted Ellen White and not scripture. You are the one diverting from scripture. You can have the last word, I do not need it and we will have to agree to disagree. God bless

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Sorry I don't play games like this. The title of this thread is "Are non-Jewish Christians commanded to keep the 7th Day Sabbath." The above passages are not on topic.
How were the the former pagan gentile Christians to whom the NT was written supposed to observe the seventh say Sabbath since they were never told about it or the other laws in the OT.
There is not one single command in the NT for gentile Christians to observe the seventh day Sabbath. Those like you who "choose" to are free to do so.

It's not a game, it very clearly tells us that if you are in Christ there is no Jew or Greek, male or female we are one in Christ. How is scripture that addresses your very objection a game?

I would not want to write myself out of the New Covenant and the promises of God which was given to Israel but meant for all of us, like all scripture.

 

[Servus]

Shouldn't you be posting back with scriptures only? I don't see anyone on these forums who only post scriptures and never comments. What I am hearing is you are okay with commentary as long as you agree with it, but no one else should post without scripture and anyone you agree with can post without scriptures including yourself. Seems a bit one-sided but that's okay. I will continue on and if you do not like my posts you are welcome to not respond or ignore them.

You're the one making the claim that you only post scripture. If so then you should only be posting scripture rather than commentary.

 

[Servus]

Really this again? You are a broken record. Please show me anywhere I have quoted Ellen White and not scripture. You are the one diverting from scripture. You can have the last word, I do not need it and we will have to agree to disagree. God bless

You give pretty much word for word interpretation and commentary as others of your denomination. Therefore it's most likely interpretation and commentary that's been handed down from the founder. I'll have to keep repeating this every time you try to find some way around it.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You give pretty much word for word interpretation and commentary as others of your denomination. Therefore it's most likely interpretation and commentary that's been handed down from the founder. I'll have to keep repeating this every time you try to find some way around it.

Please show scripture where you disagree. Until than its just your opinion disagreeing with God's Word.

 

[Servus]

Please show scripture where you disagree. Until than its just your opinion disagreeing with God's Word.

I disagree with the unorthodox eisegetical interpretation of scripture you present.

 

[Servus]

I find it pretty much impossible that one can be part of a very particular denomination with very particular doctrine, and then insist they haven't been influenced by the person who founded that denomination and wrote its doctrine. And the worst part is those saying they never read anything written by the founder of their denomination and the author of their doctrine. If I were to consider becoming a member of a particular and rather set apart denomination, I'd study what that denomination's founder wrote first.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The thing is you and others are repeating things EGW came up with, and that would be because you all learned it from someone. If you're learning what EGW came up with from your pastor or Doug Batchelor or from watching 3ABN, you're still repeating her unique exclusive interpretation of scripture.

Forgive me Brian I know this is to someone else but perhaps you may want to consider that not everyone seeks to follow what others are saying and that perhaps some seek to know God for themselves through His Word claiming His promises (Hebrews 8:10-12; John 14:26; John 16:13; John 7:17; John 8:31-36; 1 John 2:27). Where has anyone in this thread or elsewhere posted to you what EGW and Doug Batchelor has said or 3ABN? If no one has posted the writings or teachings of others why are you pretending that they have? Just because someone may believe something another person says does not mean they are aware of it or that what that person believe or does not believe is true or untrue. There is nothing hidden that shall now be revealed according to the scriptures. There is nothing that I can see in this thread that has been shared with you that is not scripture from Gods' Word. So what is it exactly that you do not believe?

Take Care.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

This post reminds of of the current border situation one side pushing a false narrative vilifying the other side.
I agree with every verse you posted but you apparently do not agree with the verses I post since you continue to ignore them.

Exodus 31:16-17
16 The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant.
17 It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.'"
Leviticus 24:8
8 Every sabbath he shall set it in order before the LORD continually, being taken from the children of Israel by an everlasting covenant.​

The Sabbath is given specifically to the children of Israel NOT all mankind two verse.
Isaiah 66:23 "one new moon to another" means from month to month. Guess what "one Sabbath to another" means? Week to week.

I know this post is to someone else but do not your own words apply to you? You make the argument that the Sabbath is only for Israel but the name Israel is only a name given by God to all His people who believe and follow Gods' Word. According to the scriptures in the new covenant Gods' Israel is no longer only all those born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but are now all those who have been born of the Spirit into Gods' new covenant promise through faith that works by love *Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:28-29; Romans 2:28-29.

According to the scriptures in the new covenant gentile believers are now grafted in and we are all now one in Christ *Romans 11:13-27. If we are not a part of God's Israel who are now all those who believe and follow Gods' Word we have no part in Gods new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. Of course this means keeping God's 4th commandment that is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. According to James if we break anyone of Gods' 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin.

There is not one scripture in all of Gods' Word that says Gods' 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. This is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God. BABYLON has fallen *Revelation 14:8-12; Revelation 17:1-5. Many of the Christian church's have fallen away from God's Word in order to follow man-made teachings and traditions that have led them to forget Gods' 4th commandment and break the commandments of God. According to the scriptures God is calling His people out from these teachings and traditions back to the pure Word of God *Revelation 18:1-5. God's people are in all these church's *John 10:16 but the hour is coming and now is that the true worshipers will worship the father in Spirit and in truth. God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth *John 4:23-24. God's sheep will hear His voice and follow Him those who will not hear will not follow because they are not His sheep *John 10:26-27.

Take Care

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I disagree with the unorthodox eisegetical interpretation of scripture you present.

Brian, I know you posted this to someone else again, so I hope you do not mind me making a comment as I see no truth in your post here or any reason why you have posted it. All you have provided here are your words and accusations unsupported by the evidence of scripture. All this of course without evidence to prove what your claiming is only a false accusations unsupported by any evidence. I am not sure why you cannot see this.

Now eisegetical interpretation of scripture means reading into the scriptures what the scripture does not say and does not teach. This is the opposite of exegetical interpretation of the scripture which is reading the meaning of scripture out of what the scripture says supported by the scripture contexts. I think in nearly every scripture in support of Sunday worship has been proven from the scriptures alone to be an eisegetical interpretation of scripture. If you do not believe me pick a scripture we have discussed here and I will link you to the post the proves where eisegesis (reading the interpretation into the scripture) has been used to support a claim for Sunday worship.

Yet no one here in this thread has provided any scripture evidence to make claims of eisegetical interpretation of scripture in regards to Gods 10 commandments including God's 4th commandment not being the standard in the new covenant for Christian living that gives us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172. According to James if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11.

Now what is it that you claim is an eisegetical interpretation of scripture Brian? You may want to prove your claims here from the scriptures rather than make false accusations that are not truthful or consider the scriptures written in Matthew 7:1-5.

Take Care.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I find it pretty much impossible that one can be part of a very particular denomination with very particular doctrine, and then insist they haven't been influenced by the person who founded that denomination and wrote its doctrine. And the worst part is those saying they never read anything written by the founder of their denomination and the author of their doctrine. If I were to consider becoming a member of a particular and rather set apart denomination, I'd study what that denomination's founder wrote first.

Perhaps you should consider the following scriptures; Hebrews 8:10-12; John 14:26; John 16:13; John 7:17; John 8:31-36; 1 John 2:27. What do you think these scriptures mean Brian? Not everyone seeks to follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. Jesus says in Matthew 15:3-9 those who knowingly do this are not worshiping God and John says the same people who do this do not know God in 1 John 2:3-4 and 1 John 3:6-9. Why do you think this is important for us to understand according to the scriptures written in Matthew 7:16-23?

Take care.

 

[HIM]

You're the one making the claim that you only post scripture. If so then you should only be posting scripture rather than commentary.

And yet nothing in your post addresses anything relevant to the topic

 

[Der Alte]

It's not a game, it very clearly tells us that if you are in Christ there is no Jew or Greek, male or female we are one in Christ. How is scripture that addresses your very objection a game?
I would not want to write myself out of the New Covenant and the promises of God which was given to Israel but meant for all of us, like all scripture.

This is a discussion forum. Posting something and asking someone what they think about it is NOT discussion.
Go back post your verses and explain to me how you think they address the OP question.
As I have shown from scripture multiple times the Sabbath was given exclusively to the children of Israel.
To support that I stated that there is no command in the NT for gentile Christians to keep the seventh day Sabbath. Since very, very few, it any, gentiles would have known about the Sabbath, in order for them to observe the Sabbath they would have to know about and receive instructions how and when to observe it. Are there any instructions in the NT for gentile Christians concerning the Sabbath?
There are 61 cities, outside Israel, mentioned in the NT in different countries or regions; Samaria, Peraea, Decapolis, Phoenicia, Syria, Asia minor, Macedonia, Greece, Isles of the sea and Italy. Were any of the peoples in those places given any instructions about the Sabbath?
And OBTW don't quote any OT verses at me that were not also given to most of the cities and countries/regions mentioned in the NT.
As much emphasis as SDA and other Sabbatarians place on Christians observing the Sabbath the NT should be full of instructions to Corinth, Ephesus, Philadelphia etc. Where is it?

 

[parousia70]

Yes, it did have the application to the 20 centuries of Christian generations

Really?
Can you demonstrate that application?
In what way did it apply to christians from the 1200's? or the, 1400's, or the 1600's?
When exactly in those generations did Luke 21:20-22 take place for them?
Who are the Christians that Fled "Jerusalem surrounded by armies" in the 1200's, 1400's & 1600's?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Really?
Can you demonstrate that application?
In what way did it apply to christians from the 1200's? or the, 1400's, or the 1600's?
When exactly in those generations did Luke 21:20-22 take place for them?
Who are the Christians that Fled "Jerusalem surrounded by armies" in the 1200's, 1400's & 1600's?

I'm not sure you're following. Because something did not happen didn't mean it wasn't applicable. Jesus has not come yet and end times is not here yet. But its getting a lot closer.

 

[parousia70]

I'm not sure you're following. Because something did not happen didn't mean it wasn't applicable.

Ok, HOW did it apply to them?

Jesus has not come yet so end times is not here yet

How could Paul have been so wrong?
1 Corinthians 10:11

Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.

John too!
1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

This is a discussion forum. Posting something and asking someone what they think about it is NOT discussion.

I'm sorry this made me laugh out loud.

Go back post your verses and explain to me how you think they address the OP question.

I already did and so did @LoveGodsWord If you are not interested in hearing how the Sabbath and the holy day of the Lord applies to you no amount of scripture is going to change your mind. The verse I quoted directly show how in scripture if you are one in Christ you are part of God's Israel, which include the promises and the laws. You don't want the laws, just the promises but it doesn't work that way and that's why I and others here are trying to help you before it's too late.

As I have shown from scripture multiple times the Sabbath was given exclusively to the children of Israel.
To support that I stated that there is no command in the NT for gentile Christians to keep the seventh day Sabbath. Since very, very few, it any, gentiles would have known about the Sabbath, in order for them to observe the Sabbath they would have to know about and receive instructions how and when to observe it. Are there any instructions in the NT for gentile Christians concerning the Sabbath?
There are 61 cities, outside Israel, mentioned in the NT in different countries or regions; Samaria, Peraea, Decapolis, Phoenicia, Syria, Asia minor, Macedonia, Greece, Isles of the sea and Italy. Were any of the peoples in those places given any instructions about the Sabbath?
And OBTW don't quote any OT verses at me that were not also given to most of the cities and countries/regions mentioned in the NT.
As much emphasis as SDA and other Sabbatarians place on Christians observing the Sabbath the NT should be full of instructions to Corinth, Ephesus, Philadelphia etc. Where is it?

God's commandments are universal. God does not have a holy day for the Jews and for God and everyone else can pick their day. There is one gospel, one truth and one holy day of our Creator and Savior who made the Sabbath Genesis 2:1-3 before any Jew or Gentile. That same Sabbath will continue to be the day of worship for ALL FLESH not just Jews in the New Heaven and New Earth Isaiah 66:23. If you do not want to keep God's Sabbath holy now and worship Him on His holy day on this earth- what makes you think you will want to on the New Earth? God's will for us is the same on earth as it is in heaven. Scriptures show God's saints keep the commandments of God which includes the 4th commandment so worshipping our Lord on His Sabbath day will not be new for God's saints. We should prepare NOW for the Kingdom of Heaven.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Ok, HOW did it apply to them?



How could Paul have been so wrong?
1 Corinthians 10:11

Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.

John too!
1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.

Who said anything about Paul being wrong? Please stop putting words in my mouth.

 

[parousia70]

Who said anything about Paul being wrong? Please stop putting words in my mouth.

You say the end times have not come yet.
Paul, John and the writer of Hebrews (Hebrews 1:1-2) infallibly testified they had arrived in the first century, which is POLAR OPPOSITE of your claim.

Either you are wrong or they were, and when faced with choosing between which of these two polar opposite claims is true and correct, that of the Divinely inspired authors of Scripture and that of random 21st century internet poster @SabbathBlessings, my money is on you being wrong and them being right.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You say the end times have not come yet.
Paul, John and the writer of Hebrews (Hebrews 1:1-2) infallibly testified they had arrived in the first century, which is POLAR OPPOSITE of your claim.

Either you are wrong or they were, and when faced with choosing between which of these two polar opposite claims is true and correct, that of the Divinely inspired authors of Scripture and that of random 21st century internet poster @SabbathBlessings, my money is on you being wrong and them being right.

It's called a dual prophecy and here is the definition

Many prophecies in the Bible are dual. In such cases a prophet speaks under inspiration of God and a first fulfillment of the prophecy comes to pass. Then, later, often at the end of the age before the return of Christ, comes a final, ultimate fulfillment. God inspired many other prophecies with dual meanings.

End times have not come yet and Christ has not come!