Are non-Jewish Christians commanded to keep the 7th Day Sabbath

[LoveGodsWord]

I guess the real question is was the Sabbath a ceremonial law or a moral law?

Good question SF. According to the scriptures, all of God's 10 commandments give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172. So all of God's 10 commandments are all moral laws including God's 4th commandment which is our duty of love to God. All of God's 10 commandments show us our duty of Love to God in the first four commandments and our duty of love to our fellow man in the second six commandments. The ceremonial laws are those of the Levitical Priest hood , the Sanctuary laws, and all the laws for remission of sins under the old covenant that pointed to Christ as the Messiah and Savior as God's sacrifice for the sins of the world *John 1:29; 36 and His work on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man based on better promises in the new covenant *Hebrews 8:1-6.

God bless.

 

[Freth]

Do you know Jesus?

Matthew 7:22-23 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.​

Are you building your house on sand or on rock?

Matthew 7:24-27 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.​

The authority of Jesus:

Matthew 7:28-29 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine: For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
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Just what is sand and what is rock? Yes, we know sand is not a good foundation, but rock is. What else can we glean from the parable of the wise and foolish builders?

Sand represents a large number; a multitude following the broad way; traditions of men.

Genesis 32:12 And thou saidst, I will surely do thee good, and make thy seed as the sand of the sea, which cannot be numbered for multitude.

Genesis 41:49 And Joseph gathered corn as the sand of the sea, very much, until he left numbering; for it was without number.

Joshua 11:4 And they went out, they and all their hosts with them, much people, even as the sand that is upon the sea shore in multitude, with horses and chariots very many.
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Rock represents Jesus; the word of God; few find the narrow way.

Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

2 Samuel 22:47 The Lord liveth; and blessed be my rock; and exalted be the God of the rock of my salvation.
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Therefore, what is the sure way? The word of God and what Jesus taught. Tradition is the introduction of sand in place of the foundation.

Hymn: My Hope Is Built on Nothing Less

On Christ the solid rock I stand
All other ground is sinking sand​

 

[Servus]

You missed the beginning, the Sabbath was made for man and man was made on the six day. The next day was God’s Sabbath day that was made for man.

Where in scripture is it explained that way?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Where in scripture is it explained that way?

Mark 2:27; Genesis 1:26-31; Genesis 2:1-3

 

[Servus]

It's interesting how people of the same denomination all seem to have the same exact rather exclusive doctrinal interpretation of scripture, yet say they're not influenced by the writings of the person who wrote those interpretations.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Where in scripture is it explained that way?

Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man. Mark 2:27. Man was created on the sixth day Genesis 1:26. The very next day was God's Sabbath that He set aside and stopped working, blessed and sanctified. Genesis 2:1-3. Do you really think the very first Sabbath that Adam and Eve did not also keep holy and rested in our Savior by spending time with God on the first Sabbath? That is what the Sabbath is about communion with our Savior on His holy day. That first Sabbath must have been marvelous! Something we will be getting back to soon, in-person worship with our Lord and Savior on His Sabbath day. Isaiah 66:23

 

[Servus]

Mark 2:27; Genesis 1:26-31; Genesis 2:1-3

None of those verses say: "The Sabbath was made for man and man was made on the six day. The next day was God’s Sabbath day that was made for man." Therefore that must be a man-made interpretation.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

It's interesting how people of the same denomination all seem to have the same exact rather exclusive doctrinal interpretation of scripture, yet say they're not influenced by the writings of the person who wrote those interpretations.

What is more interesting to me Brian is how people seem to deny scripture when it is provided that shows that perhaps their understanding of the scriptures is not biblical then cry interpretation. It is true that according to the scriptures in the last days there will be many false teachings and Jesus says that if it were possible these false teachers will seek to deceive if possible God's very elect in Matthew 24:24 (see also Acts of the Apostles 20:29; 2 Peter 2:1-3). This however does not mean that there is no truth or God's people would not be saved *John 17:17. What I believe many do not understand is that those who are born of the Spirit have God's Spirit to be their guide and teacher who leads them and guides us into all truth *John 14:26; John 16:13; John 7:17; John 8:31-36; 1 John 2:24; Hebrews 8:10-12 and by their fruits you shall know them *1 John 2:3-4; Matthew 7:16-23. This is God's promise to all those who believe and follow what Gods' Word says.

Take Care.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

It's interesting how people of the same denomination all seem to have the same exact rather exclusive doctrinal interpretation of scripture, yet say they're not influenced by the writings of the person who wrote those interpretations.

You mean the writings of scripture? The Holy Spirit guides us in all Truth for those who want to obey God's commandments. John 14:15-18, Acts 5:32 Maybe that's why we come to the same conclusion because we embrace and follow the laws of God and keeping His law in our hearts and minds allows the Holy Spirit to guide us in all Truth.

God tells us His Sabbath is a blessing and a delight. Isaiah 58:13-14. Man says its a curse. God told us to Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy Exodus 20:8- Man tells us to forget. Jesus tells us we should keep the commandments of God and not traditions Matthew 15:3-9. Man tells us traditions are more important than commandments. Jesus teaches the majority finds the wide path Matthew 7:13. Man teaches you can sin freely as long as you claim to love God and you will be saved. God told Adam & Eve they would surely die if they ate from the the Tree of Knowledge Genesis 2:16 Satan told Eve she would not surely die which was the opposite of what God said Genesis 3:4. I hope you can see a pattern here.

 

[Servus]

Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man. Mark 2:27. Man was created on the sixth day Genesis 1:26. The very next day was God's Sabbath that He set aside and stopped working, blessed and sanctified. Genesis 2:1-3. Do you really think the very first Sabbath that Adam and Eve did not also keep holy and rested in our Savior by spending time with God on the first Sabbath? That is what the Sabbath is about communion with our Savior on His holy day. That first Sabbath must have been marvelous!

Same verses just given by someone else and pretty much a word for word summation I've read from others. You said you're not repeating Ellen White, so who does this extrabiblical wording come from?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

None of those verses say: "The Sabbath was made for man and man was made on the six day. The next day was God’s Sabbath day that was made for man." Therefore that must be a man-made interpretation.

Yep they do...

Mark 2:27 The Sabbath was made for man...

Genesis 1:26-31
[26], And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.
[27], So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
[28], And God blessed them, and God said to them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.
[29], And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
[30], And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creeps on the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
[31], And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Genesis 2:1-3
[1], Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
[2], And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
[3], And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Seems God's Word disagrees with your words here Brian.

Anyhow it is late my time goodnight to everyone

Take Care.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Same verses just given by someone else and pretty much a word for word summation I've read from others. You said you're not repeating Ellen White, so who does this extrabiblical wording come from?

To be honest I have never read an Ellen White book, but plan to, I have been too busy reading the bible. You keep thinking Ellen White wrote the scripture, but she didn't. This is God's Word so not sure why you bring up Ellen when you disagree with scripture. God wrote the 4th commandment with His own Finger, not Ellen.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Deconstructing the law huh? You mean abolished the law (lawlessness) right Steve? Let's look at your scriptures first then move on to what the bible actually says. You make the claim here that Jesus abolished the law and in support of your teaching you provide John 1:17 and Matthew 11:13. Lets examine these scriptures and see if they are teaching that Gods' law is now abolished then compared your claim with other scriptures in Gods' Word on Gods' law...

John 1:17, For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Matthew 11:13 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John.

None of the above scriptures teach that Gods' law is abolished. The law was given by Moses and it was the Mosaic laws written in the book and the prophets that all prophesied of the coming of Christ! All the laws for remission of sins under the old covenant including all the laws of the Levitical Priesthood, the Sanctuary laws, the laws for remission of sins and the sin offerings, the annual Feast days and the prophets all prophesied on the coming of the Messiah which pointed to Jesus (see Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-27 and Hebrews 10:1-22. All these were up until John the baptist.

HEBREWS 10:1-19
[1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshipers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
[3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year [Day of Atonement] *Leviticus 23:27-32.
[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.
[5], Therefore when he comes into the world, he says, SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS YOU DESIRED NOT, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME:
[6], In BURNT OFFERINGS AND SACRIFICES FOR SIN you have had no pleasure.
[7], Then said I, Lo, I COME IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME, to do your will, O God.

These scripture are not talking about Gods' 10 commandments that in the new covenant give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and lead us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith *Galatians 3:22-25 to be born again into God's new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27 to be made free from the condemnation of sin and death *Romans 8:1-4; Galatians 5:16 to love God with all of our soul, heart and mind and our neighbor as our self.

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According to the scriptures everyone of God's 10 commandments are repeated in the new covenant as a requirement and the standard of Christian living (scripture support here).

WHAT DID JESUS AND THE APOSTLES TEACH ABOUT GOD’S LAW
(the scriptures below are no where near exhaustive)

Jesus taught the 10 commandments…..

1. Jesus kept God’s Law (10 commandments) and said the Law and the prophets would not pass away (Matthew 5:17-18)
2. Jesus taught others to follow the 10 commandments (Mark 10:17-21)
3. Jesus taught that Love is the fulfilling (doing) of God’s Law (10 commandments Matthew 22:36-40)
4. If we break God’s Law by following man-made traditions we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
5. Jesus says if we commit sin we are a servant of sin and he has come to free us from sin (John 8:32-36)
6. Jesus taught if you love God you will keep God’s Law and abide in His Love (John 14:15; 15:10
7. If anyone is breaking any of God’s commandments and teaching others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven <least = lost> (Matthew 5:19)
8. No one can obey God’s Law producing the fruit of obedience of ourselves and unless we abide in Jesus we can do nothing (John 15:4-10)

Paul affirms the Ten Commandments……

1. Paul teaches God's people keep the Sabbath Hebrews 4:1-9.
2. Paul tells gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Corinthians 7:19
3. Paul tells gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Romans 2:13-16
4. Paul asks that gentiles consider the doctrine of LAW "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God" Romans 3:31
5. Paul tells ALL Christians that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the Law of God neither indeed CAN they" Romans 8:6-8
6 Paul reaches all Christians under the NEW Covenant that God's LAW as known in Jeremiah 31:31-33 is "written on the heart and mind" Hebrews 8:7-11
7. Paul tells all Christians that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine 2 Timothy 3:16
AND He never claims that "if I did not write it -- it is not scripture for us today" -- as one or two have imagined for us.
8. Paul tells all Christians that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" Ephesians 6:1-2 and is binding on all Christians.
9. God's Law (10 commandments) are holy, just and good (Romans 7:12)
10. God's Law gives us a knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20; 7:7)
11. The penalty of breaking God's Law without Jesus is death (Romans 6:23)
12. If we break God's Law we dishonor God (Romans 2:23)
13. If we sin we are "under the Law" and guilty before God (Romans 3:19)
14. We are saved by faith but our faith establishes the Law in us (Romans 3:31)
15. If we are saved by grace we should not break God's Law (Romans 6:1-7)
16. We should not break God's Law if we are under grace (Romans 6:15)
17. We are to serve the Law of God through the mind because that is where sin starts (Romans 6:17; 7:25; 8:4; 12:2)
18. It is God's Law that brings us to Jesus (Galatains 3:24)
19. God's salvation frees us from sin so we can be obedient to God's Law and live a life of holiness (Romans 6:22)
20. We will be judged by God's Law and only those that are obedient will be justified because of their faith (Romans 2:4-13)
21. God's Law can only be obeyed through love and a changed heart which comes by faith in God's Word (Romans 2:21-29; 13:9-10; Hebrews 8:9-10)
22. If we break God's Law and are in unrepentant sin we will be lost and will received God's judgements (Hebrews 10:26-27)

John affirms the 10 commandments……

1. John says it is only by keeping God’s 10 commandments that we know that we know God (1 John 2:3)
2. If someone says that they know God and do not keep God’s 10 commandments they are lying and not telling the truth (1 John 2:4)
3. We should purify ourselves as Jesus is pure (1 John 3:3)
4. Sin is the breaking of God’s 10 commandments (1 John 3:4)
5. Whoever is abiding in Christ does not commit sin (1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10)
6. If you are in unrepentant sin you have not seen Jesus or know him (1 John 3:6)
7. John warns us that only those that are obedience to God’s Law are his true followers (1 John 3:7)
8. If someone is committing unrepentant sin they are following the devil and not God (1 John 3:7)
9. If you are born of God and abiding in him you will not commit sin (1 John 3:9; 1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10
10. It is the keeping of God’s commandments that is the difference between those that are following God and those that are not following God (1 John 3:10; 1 John 5:3)
11. It is only by Love through faith that we can keep God’s commandments (1 John 5:3-4)
12. God’s true believers in the end days will keep all of God’s commandments through faith in Jesus (Rev 14:12; 22:14)

James also affirms the 10 commandments…….

1. James says God’s Law (10 commandments) are a Royal Law (James 2:8)
2. If we break one of God’s commandments we a guilty before God as sinners breaking all of God’s Law and gave some examples of breaking God’s Law (James 2:9-11)
3. James says God’s Law is a law of liberty and freedom (James 2:12)
4. The 10 commandments (God’s Law) are the standard in the judgment (James 2:12)
5. If our faith does not have the fruit of obedience to God’s Law it is dead and not true faith (James 2:16-26)

Peter affirms the 10 commandments……..

1. Sanctification is to obedience to God’s Law (1 Peter 1:2)
2. We can only be changed from sin to obedience to God’s Law by the power of God and it will be revealed in the last days (1 Pet 1:5)
3. We should give up our sins to be holy because Jesus is holy (1 Peter 1:13-16)
4. Jesus is your example who did no sin (1 Peter 2:21-22)
5. Cease from sin and do not live in the flesh (1 Peter 4:1-3)
6. Judgement will begin at the house of God and sinners (those breaking God’s 10 commandments) will not be saved.
7. God has given us his precious promises and as we believe them God will grant us his divine power to live a life of Godliness (obedience to God’s Law; 2 Peter 1:2-4)
8. The Un-Godly (disobedient to God’s Law) will be like Sodom and Gomorrah (2 Peter 2:6)
9. If any turn away from God’s Law and are in unrepentant sin breaking any of God’10 commandments they will be lost (2 Peter 2:20-22)
10 God is not willing that any should perish but that everyone should come to repentance and turn away from sin to follow God’s 10 commandments because those that do not will receive the judgements of God (2 Peter 3:5-14)

What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?

1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14; Ezekiel 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1 Corinthians 11:1; Ephesians 5:1-21; Peter 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelation 1:10)

God’s Law in the NC is written on our hearts it is through love and it is love the fulfills God’s Law in us as we walk not after the flesh but after the spirit and is why Jesus says f you love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15; John 15:10). If we knowingly break one of God’s commandments we commit sin (1 John 3:4). This includes the 7th Day Sabbath which Jesus made for us and commands us to keep as a holy day.

Sorry Steve it seems God's Word does not agree with your teachings here.

Hope this is helpful.

We need to make this a sticky at the top of this forum for those seeking the truth of God's Word.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

We need to make this a sticky at the top of this forum for those seeking the truth of God's Word.

Good idea sis. I think only a Mod can do that though. Late my time so I might catch up a little more latter. For now 99 may God bless you as you share His Words

God bless sis

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Good idea sis. I think only a Mod can do that though. Late my time so I might catch up a little more latter. For now 99 may God bless you as you share His Words

God bless sis

Get some sleep! God bless!

 

[The Liturgist]

We need to make this a sticky at the top of this forum for those seeking the truth of God's Word.

Controversial Christian Theology is open to all members and there are already three Sabbatarian forums, the 7th Day Safehouse, Traditional Adventists and Progressive/Evangelical Adventists, which is the same number as there are Roman Catholic forums, and you would not have any problems getting whatever stickies you wanted posted there, but I and other non-Sabbatarian participants in CCT would I think object to such a sticky in this forum, except if the sticky were an Annhilationist safehouse, just as we have a Full Preterist safehouse.

Actually, Annhilationism is actually one of the things CCT is specifically intended for the discussion of, along with Universalism, Open Theism and Full Preterism (this thread is theoretically better suited for Denomination-Specific Theology or General Theology).

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Controversial Christian Theology is open to all members and there are already three Sabbatarian forums, the 7th Day Safehouse, Traditional Adventists and Progressive/Evangelical Adventists, which is the same number as there are Roman Catholic forums, and you would not have any problems getting whatever stickies you wanted posted there, but I and other non-Sabbatarian participants in CCT would I think object to such a sticky in this forum, except if the sticky were an Annhilationist safehouse, just as we have a Full Preterist safehouse.

Actually, Annhilationism is actually one of the things CCT is specifically intended for the discussion of, along with Universalism, Open Theism and Full Preterism (this thread is theoretically better suited for Denomination-Specific Theology or General Theology).

Yup, I realized that when I wrote it should be a sticky. It was another way of saying what @LoveGodsWord posted was really informative and everyone should take those scriptures to heart.

 

[Servus]

The problem is that those same Christians will claim that we are in violation.

Good point.

 

[Servus]

To be honest I have never read an Ellen White book, but plan to, I have been too busy reading the bible. You keep thinking Ellen White wrote the scripture, but she didn't. This is God's Word so not sure why you bring up Ellen when you disagree with scripture. God wrote the 4th commandment with His own Finger, not Ellen.

The thing is you and others are repeating things EGW came up with, and that would be because you all learned it from someone. If you're learning what EGW came up with from your pastor or Doug Batchelor or from watching 3ABN, you're still repeating her unique exclusive interpretation of scripture.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The thing is you and others are repeating things EGW came up with, and that would be because you all learned it from someone. If you're learning what EGW came up with from your pastor or Doug Batchelor or 3ABN, you're still repeating her unique exclusive interpretation of scripture.

My friend, you keep trying to advert people away from the scriptures, why is that? I told you it came from scripture, I quoted scripture and even left references. I did not quote Ellen, Doug or Three ABN. God wrote the Ten Commandments, not Ellen, not Doug and not 3 ABN. Scripture is God's Word and I am sorry you disagree and think Adam and Eve did not keep holy the first Sabbath that God said He blessed and sanctified. Adam and Eve spent the first Sabbath with God in-person. In Heaven we will continue with Sabbath worship in person with our Lord and Savior. Isaiah 66:23 Sin separated us from our Savior and breaking any of God's laws is considered sin. 1 John 3:4. Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7 If you do not want to keep the Sabbath holy now, will you want to in heaven? You might want to ask yourself this serious question, because Jesus loves each of us so much He gives us free will and would never force anyone to worship Him if they don't want to.