Hand count in audit affirms Biden beat Trump, as Maricopa County said in November

[Tom 1]

If this turns out to be what the official results say, I will be stunned that they actually did the right thing!

Just wait for the spin...If you listen carefully, you can already hear the spin motors starting up.

 

[Albion]

How do you figure? Biden’s margin is over 45,000. Where are you seeing anything about >45,000 votes potentially being bogus?

That's the part of the news report that the Biden fans didn't pass along. I am not personally involved in the recount going on in Arizona.

Lots of us care about fair elections. We just don’t trust your side with its lies and bumbling “auditors” to be the ones to effectively administer fair elections.

Talk is cheap, as the saying goes. I'd like to see someone who says " lots of us care about fair elections" actually voice some support for restoring the integrity of our elections, regardless of which candidate that would favor, if any.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

It's surprising, isn't it, that so many people really don't much care if our elections are conducted fairly or not? I sometimes think of how in some "third world" nations, people who have voted get their thumbs inked (like we do with fingerprinting) so that they can be identified if they try to vote twice. But in the USA, that would be called "voter suppression!!!!"

the dead cannot get their fingers (if they have any left) colored purple but they still vote

 

[Albion]

Trump repeatedly advised his supporters to "vote early and vote often."

That's a very old joke that is heard during every election campaign.

I think it may have originally referred to the Democratic Party machine in Chicago.

 

[durangodawood]

Trump haters can celebrate and gloat all they want, but we have a much bigger problem in America. If Biden can cause this much damage in only 9 months, I would hate to see what he could do after 4 years!

Should have run a more appealing R candidate.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

You left out the fact that there is, despite the noxious flood of phony allegations, zero evidence of votes that were not legally cast. Not that reality will prevent people from believing whatever spin is put on this, mind you.

especially the spin that there was no fraud.

Watch the senate hearing in AZ today at 4pm Eastern time

 

[Albion]

Should have run a more appealing R candidate.

So that the "good" people wouldn't have been forced against their preference to attempt to steal the election?

That's sarcasm, you realize, but I actually hear people saying it in all seriousness! Yikes. The system is broken, but so are a lot of the people.

 

[Tom 1]

That's the part of the news report that the Biden fans didn't pass along. I am not personally involved in the recount going on in Arizona.



Talk is cheap, as the saying goes. I'd like to see someone who says " lots of us care about fair elections" actually voice some support for restoring the integrity of our elections, regardless of which candidate that would favor, if any.

The allegations of fraud have been investigated, to the nth degree, by everyone from Trump’s closest and most loyal advisors, to your DoJ, state government and even the cowboy outfit that churned out this report. The issue is that people keep pretending none of that happened, not that it didn’t actually happen.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Should have run a more appealing R candidate.

should have had honest folks involved in the election

The end does not justify the methods used to obtain a desired result.

 

[Isilwen]

especially the spin that there was no fraud.

What will you say when they say there was no fraud?

 

[Tom 1]

especially the spin that there was no fraud.

Watch the senate hearing in AZ today at 4pm Eastern time

Since they refuse to take questions, what is the point? They can say anything they like. The facts speak for themselves - zero evidence of actual fraud. When pressed, posters here occasionally come up with a few isolated incidences of fraud going back several years, as if that were somehow proof. I could ask you to provide some proof of why you think there was election fraud, but you don’t have any, and you know you don’t. And yet - you still think it happened.

Cognitive dissonance isn’t particular to any one group of people, but this whole election fraud malarkey is a particularly egregious example of it. To divide your own nation over what adds up to virtually nothing at all, or just plain nothing, goes way beyond the wildest dreams of the soviet teams who first got the misinformation train rolling. Putin will live to see the US lose the Cold War over this kind of nonsense.

 

[Tom 1]

What will you say when they say there was no fraud?

What would a flat earther say if flown to the moon?

 

[Original Happy Camper]

What will you say when they say there was no fraud?

To answer your question nothing as there will be fraud reported

What will you say when there is evidence of fraud?

Why would a senator say this that is involved in the audit
"CRIMINAL EVIDENCE Will Be Referred To Attorney General Mark Brnovich"

 

[Isilwen]

To answer your question nothing as there will be fraud reported

What will you say when there is evidence of fraud?

Why would a senator say this that is involved in the audit
"CRIMINAL EVIDENCE Will Be Referred To Attorney General Mark Brnovich"

Okay. Let me clarify. What will you say when they say the normal level of fraud was detected and that Biden still won the election fairly?

 

[Isilwen]

Why would a senator say this that is involved in the audit
"CRIMINAL EVIDENCE Will Be Referred To Attorney General Mark Brnovich"

Because if there is evidence of a criminal nature then it gets referred to the AG. It's not a definite that it will happen.

 

[Albion]

What will you say when they say there was no fraud?

Do you want the straightforward and honest answer? IF there were a valid and thorough examination and tabulation of all the ballots in just the few states where it could affect the outcome, MOST Americans who now don't know what the truth actually is would be satisfied. That's because the Biden forces have done everything possible to stop every effort to get at the facts, including taking action against people merely for saying that they think the election was rigged or decided on fraudulent ballots. So the average Trump voter would be relieved to have the actual answer, even if it favored Biden (which it very well could do).

But the reverse of your question is this one: Why IS there such intense stonewalling of every effort or suggestion aimed at finding out, once and for all, what the actual vote count was?

Party hacks have even taken to saying that anybody who thinks that a lawful recount should have been conducted is against democracy!

IS there something to hide?

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Okay. Let me clarify. What will you say when they say the normal level of fraud was detected and that Biden still won the election fairly?

If it comes to that I would ask forgiveness.

What will you say when they say the normal level of fraud was detected and that Trump won the election fairly?

 

[Isilwen]

What will you say when they say the normal level of fraud was detected and that Trump won the election fairly?

I will just roll with it and say okay we have to do a better job next time of having fair elections.

We will all see later.

 

[Isilwen]

Party hacks have even taken to saying that anyone who thinks that a lawful recount should have been conducted is against democracy!

I think that is because there were recounts done already and they have shown no evidence of election stealing. So, they see it as undermining the confidence of the American people in the election process.

Again, that is just my opinion.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

I will just roll with it and say okay we have to do a better job next time of having fair elections.

We will all see later.

will you question the validity of those that have said no fraud then? IE main stream media, social media, democrats, never trumpers ect...........