Israel is planning to administer FOURTH Covid shot

[Lain Iwakura]

Also, for outliers, if it's a data point in a data set you can get away with saying that it's some fluke that can't be explored analytically. If it's any multiple of data points, especially clustered, a specific and defined reason should be included as to why the outliers should be excluded.

Treating a large and valuable dataset as an outlier is bad analytics practice - as not only do you need a specific and well-defined reason for doing so - but your in the realm of meta-analytics between data sets and if you cannot establish specific methodological failures or phenomenal differences, then you have no reason to dismiss the data set at all.

Let's not forget it was Israel's datasets, being one of the most comprehensive ones, that was among those consulted for major issues, including the Myocarditis issue - although it was first discovered in VAERS, the comprehensiveness of Israel's datasets were used to figure out a concrete statistical connection and occurrence rate.

 

[Fantine]

While it is upsetting to see that vaccine manufacturers are still trying to counter all the variants (the latest is Mu) it is more upsetting knowing that the level of non-compliance fueled by ignorance and the idea that one's "rights" are being taken away if one is required to submit to a free fifteen-minute injection is prolonging this pandemic and endangering others.

So if you are angered by Israel's vigilance in promoting vaccines, maybe you should look within instead. Are you part of the problem or part of the solution?

 

[Lain Iwakura]

Are you part of the problem or part of the solution?

Neither. I'm non-binary. At least on this issue.

But seriously, I always have doubts about these propositions and do believe the underlying assumptions produce it as a false dialectic.

 

[rambot]

So you see no ulterior motives or agenda? You actually trust the Government and Governors to be well-intentioned toward the public and in full accord with freedom and liberty? You think they are keeping their oath of office?

I TRUST that they have the public's best interest in mind though that would mean different things to different people.

I would think that health and safety would be paramount; and in emergency situations, would allow even the temporary suspension of rights around the health and safety of the population. There is such a thing as Marshal Law in times of war and unsafety. There's no reason that if there is a significant health issue a similar set of laws are in place.

That, to me, seems very, very sensible.

While I under stand that the death rate of COVID is not 20% or something, you have to understand how utterly catastrophic that would be to the US. 66,000,000 people will die.

In World War II the US lost a generation of men. And that number was about 237,000

COVID has taken 648,000. We are taught WWII 60+ years after it happenned and that death toll is 1/3.

I do not see an ulterior motive. Some folks seem so focussed on "the government wants more power". Well, I hate to tell you that the generations of human civilizations preceding us would likely be relatively jealous of what we have. Governments are held in check and yes, vigilance is necessary to make sure they don't overstep their boundaries.
BUT
In the context of a healthcare crisis, the government taking action to HELP US keep it under control is, almost literally, part of their job description. It's like they are trying to herd cats; and the stubbornly unvaxxed are the cats.

As a population we have to accept the risk that we currently are put on and trust MEDICAL EXPERTS CLOSEST TO US. When in doubt, Dr Clitus on youtube, who has 0 idea of your past medical history or background, should not helping you decide. Go see your doctor.
If your doctor tells you not to get the shot I would love to hear their logic and then I wave my arms and say fine. Too many people are ignoring or at least not curious or open to what their doctor has told them (I've had 3 facebook friends seem to gloat and get a bit indignant about it, speaking with misinformation and not listening to their doctor's explanations).

Out of curiousity, who do you think is involved in the agenda?
Government officials?
Elected representatives?
Major generals?
ALL of the FBI or just the head or just certain departments?
The CIA?
Jacinda in Infrastructure Accounting in Greensboro Tn.
The guy who does the outhouses in Craters of the Moon National Park?




Lastly, I find it a bit funny that the people hold the beliefs that governments are utterly inept and governments have secret agendas they are fulfilling, haven't yet caught on.

It's Shroedinger's Government.

 

[rambot]

PS> Israel's vaccination rate actually really sucks.

Why should we talk about it?

Bonus points: Health officials have been saying since the start (and epidemiologist who know what the heck we are talking about) that a poor enough vaccination rate won't do anything to irradicate disease; it should just manage symptoms for a period of time.

 

[NxNW]

I and many others suspect the end goal is a Chinese-style, totalitarian, social credit system.

It's not a coincidence that in the last year numerous governments around the world have started working on creating digital currency systems. Once digital currency is in place it can be joined up with vaccine passports to authorise or deny a transaction based on social credit score.

Covid was the pretext to create the foundations for a social credit system via vaccine passports, and get rid of cash because it may be a transmission route for the virus. By the time most people realise it may be far too late.

Wow, that's not totally insane at all.

 

[Mark Quayle]

While I under stand that the death rate of COVID is not 20% or something, you have to understand how utterly catastrophic that would be to the US. 66,000,000 people will die.

Where does 20% come from? What are you trying to say here? Death rate per what? Survival rate per infection is estimated between 97% and 99.75%. Survival rate per capita in the USA is therefore MUCH LESS.

Sure 20% would be catastrophic, but why get teary-eyed about something that is not happening, or pretend we should build policy on falsehood.

 

[Taodeching]

As a population we have to accept the risk that we currently are put on and trust MEDICAL EXPERTS CLOSEST TO US.

The problem we are into self now, we think we know more than anyone else. This idea of thinking we know more than anyone else will get our loved ones killed, others killed, and ourselves killed eventually.

Those with compassion step outside of themselves and trust the experts. Maybe it's to late for the western world maybe we are to selfish, to into our rights, to into ourselves and our civilization is dying

 

[rambot]

The problem we are into self now, we think we know more than anyone else. This idea of thinking we know more than anyone else will get our loved ones killed, others killed, and themselves killed eventually.

Those with compassion step outside of themselves and trust the experts. Maybe it's to late for the western world maybe we are to selfish, to into our rights, to into ourselves and our civilization is dying

The undying rugged hyperindividualism that denies responsibilities and languishes corpulently in rights.

 

[Mark Quayle]

The problem we are into self now, we think we know more than anyone else. This idea of thinking we know more than anyone else will get our loved ones killed, others killed, and themselves killed eventually.

Those with compassion step outside of themselves and trust the experts. Maybe it's to late for the western world maybe we are to selfish, to into our rights, to into ourselves and our civilization is dying

The experts disagree with each other. Why trust the ones the government that we do not trust trusts? Those with compassion are in favor of getting the government out of our way and getting America back to work.

 

[Taodeching]

The undying rugged hyperindividualism that denies responsibilities and languishes corpulently in rights.

and we have been forced fed that for decades

 

[Lain Iwakura]

Expert status is a increasingly value determination. "The state as the arbiter of values" is the definition of Fascism as given by Mussolini.

 

[Taodeching]

The experts disagree with each other. Why trust the ones the government that we do not trust trusts? Those with compassion are in favor of getting the government out of our way and getting America back to work.

If those with compassion really wanted to get America back to work they would stop being so darn selfish, so darn into conspiracy theories at every turn and start trusting things out side themselves. The ones you speak of in your last sentence are the ones truly destroying America, instead of working to get a smaller government most have went off the deep end and now are hurting the very country they say they love. If they really were truly compassionate they would be proactive and willingly get the vaccine so that no mandates would even have to surface.but instead they want to appear the hero and act all macho after something like mandates happen.

 

[Lain Iwakura]

If those with compassion really wanted to get America back to work they would stop being so darn selfish, so darn into conspiracy theories at every turn and start trusting things out side themselves. The ones you speak of in your last sentence are the ones truly destroying America, instead of working to get a smaller government most have went off the deep end and now are hurting the very country they say they love. If they really were truly compassionate they would be proactive and willingly get the vaccine so that no mandates would even have to surface.but instead they want to appear the hero and act all macho after something like mandates happen.

If only this entire framework itself wasn't entirely compassionless.

 

[Lain Iwakura]

Lastly, I find it a bit funny that the people hold the beliefs that governments are utterly inept and governments have secret agendas they are fulfilling, haven't yet caught on.

It's Shroedinger's Government.

If you've worked for government, you might understand that hiring the incompetent is a great way to divert liability and be corrupt yourself. And corrupt bureaucrats always have their agendas - not requiring some grand conspiracy. And what grand conspiracy there is is not at the level of mere humans.

That being said, I don't think both assumption necessarily coexist at the same time, and instead it's a confounding of masses.

 

[Tanj]

So you see no ulterior motives or agenda? You actually trust the Government and Governors to be well-intentioned toward the public and in full accord with freedom and liberty? You think they are keeping their oath of office?

Remind me which governor is in charge of Israel again.

You think it's possible to not drag your country into a conversation about another country, just this once?

 

[Pommer]

I see you've started a behaviour of replying with some absolutely unrelated nonsequitor that you are trying to shoehorn in as relevant.

Re; Israel and covid. I address it in the other thread. Israel's response is an outlier; an aberration. To use them as an example of useless vaccines is like saying because I saw someone juggling chainsaws in Vancouver one time, everyone in Vancouver can juggle chainsaws.

It’s destined for tropehood!
“But Israel…”

 

[Aldebaran]

If those with compassion really wanted to get America back to work they would stop being so darn selfish, so darn into conspiracy theories at every turn and start trusting things out side themselves. The ones you speak of in your last sentence are the ones truly destroying America, instead of working to get a smaller government most have went off the deep end and now are hurting the very country they say they love. If they really were truly compassionate they would be proactive and willingly get the vaccine so that no mandates would even have to surface.but instead they want to appear the hero and act all macho after something like mandates happen.

You're not the only one with such a sentiment: Coronavirus
Plenty others will keep anyone who thinks the same way in "good" company.

 

[Pommer]

So you see no ulterior motives or agenda? You actually trust the Government and Governors to be well-intentioned toward the public and in full accord with freedom and liberty? You think they are keeping their oath of office?

I do.
I think that the people who inhabit our halls of power are good, decent, hard working folk who are attempting to do their best.
My job, in this is to simply trust them to do an even better job than I know I would do during trying times like these.

Being wary of the Government is a very American thing.
But there’s a time when we just need to trust one another more, (especially when it’s not easy).

This used to be a “conservative value”, what happened to that?

 

[Pommer]

Wow, that's not totally insane at all.

This is what passes for cogent political thought, these days!