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SadThe result of doctrines of men overshadowing the Doctrines of God.
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SadThe result of doctrines of men overshadowing the Doctrines of God.
The Holy Spirit always points the believer to the word of God (Scripture). He does not operate in opposition to the Bible or apart from it.John 16:13
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
Avoidable, according to this verse.
exactlyThe Holy Spirit always points the believer to the word of God (Scripture). He does not operate in opposition to the Bible or apart from it.
Aren't we supposed to be unified in our belief in the truth? Is it a divisive ploy from the enemy of our souls? Did God desire it to be this way?
It's just been bugging me, as it doesn't seem to be a great testimony to the world at all.
John 17:20-21:
20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.
Truth in love, thoughts in kindness, discussion in humility are most welcome. Let's reason together. Please let's not argue. I am really interested in what we all have to say.
Aren't we supposed to be unified in our belief in the truth? Is it a divisive ploy from the enemy of our souls? Did God desire it to be this way?
If this is what God wants from the very beginning and formation of Christianity then why have we allowed ourselves to become so ignorantly divided?Differences with the interpretation of scripture.
We will not be unified until Jesus returns.
Yes, satan twists scripture (deceivingly) around and he is the enemy.
No, God does not desire for it to be this way, He wants us unified with Him, and one day it will be so.
For the sake of unity, what doctrines or practices that you consider right and important would you abandon?If this is what God wants from the very beginning and formation of Christianity then why have we allowed ourselves to become so ignorantly divided?
Aren't we supposed to be unified in our belief in the truth? Is it a divisive ploy from the enemy of our souls? Did God desire it to be this way?
It's just been bugging me, as it doesn't seem to be a great testimony to the world at all.
John 17:20-21:
20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.
Truth in love, thoughts in kindness, discussion in humility are most welcome. Let's reason together. Please let's not argue. I am really interested in what we all have to say.
I love what you have written under your username, it's very true!I think the basic message is the same but the rest is being debated...I mean just look at all the arguments and debates here on this site!
If this is what God wants from the very beginning and formation of Christianity then why have we allowed ourselves to become so ignorantly divided?
John 16:13
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
Can't we all just submit to this?
Aren't we supposed to be unified in our belief in the truth? Is it a divisive ploy from the enemy of our souls? Did God desire it to be this way?
It's just been bugging me, as it doesn't seem to be a great testimony to the world at all.
John 17:20-21:
20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.
Truth in love, thoughts in kindness, discussion in humility are most welcome. Let's reason together. Please let's not argue. I am really interested in what we all have to say.
It's certainly true that, through various schisms, the Roman Catholic Church has cut itself off from more Christians than any other Christian denomination.Well this may be somewhat counter productive to the idea of unity but the majority of the schisms have been the result of the Roman Church. They were responsible for the East West Schism of 1054 and the protestant reformation
I agree, he literally says it in the text. Jesus doesn't have to wrestle with belief because He already KNOWS. Knows it all. All of it. That is the mind we must have. Not just say we have it or act like we have it, but truly apply ourselves to His Word to have His mind - attitudes, behaviour and all - made manifest in us. Not relative truths or varying beliefs.
I would say that there are some denominations that believe in things that others definitely do not. I don't want to start an argument about it, but that is the way it is right now.
You know the people who have tried the hardest on that verse in recent times are your modern "Prophetic" types. The people who believe they can prophesy etc. And if you pay attention to events that have happened in the last few years with Covid, with the election etc. it shows how wrong they were "speaking by the Spirit" etc. Besides that, in other threads I have spoken of how various "prophets" got basic teaching and Bible interpretation wrong etc.
Here is are two extreme examples of what I'm talking about
For the sake of unity, what doctrines or practices that you consider right and important would you abandon?
Of course the question could be asked of all of us, but let's start there and see how easily we can work out the problem of denominational differences.
Now that's what I'm talking about!And the example they give us in Acts 17:11 is to "study the scriptures daily to see IF those things were so"
Clearly that is not what I'm after, here. Either the Holy Spirit is true or He isn't. If He is, then follow Him. That sounds familiar:You know the people who have tried the hardest on that verse in recent times are your modern "Prophetic" types. The people who believe they can prophesy etc. And if you pay attention to events that have happened in the last few years with Covid, with the election etc. it shows how wrong they were "speaking by the Spirit" etc. Besides that, in other threads I have spoken of how various "prophets" got basic teaching and Bible interpretation wrong etc.
Here is are two extreme examples of what I'm talking about