Is cancel culture a form of bullying?

[Love365]

Is cancel culture a form of bullying?

 

[HTacianas]

Is cancel culture a form of bullying?

Pretty much, yes.

 

[RDKirk]

If you want to call it that.

But even the Apostle Paul recommended it. God wrote it into the Mosaic Law.

 

[Subdood]

Is cancel culture a form of bullying?

Probably the most insidious, nefarious form, yes. And no, it's not remotely Christian, and has no biblical support - OT or NT.

 

[RDKirk]

"Cancelling" is nothing more than the most modern name for "boycott" or "shun" or "excommunicate" or "scarlet letter" or "sanctuary city" (OT) or "...do not even eat with such a person" (NT).

 

[Subdood]

I prefer a much more accurate definition of Cancel Culture:

“A highly punitive approach to disagreement or perceived transgressions, based on strict fidelity to ideology (usually progressive) that elevates performative outrage over dialogue, factual inquiry, or respect for values such as free speech or fair process. It rejects the value of ideological diversity. It is often exercised by powerful corporations, editors, academic administrators, or unaccountable attackers operating through anonymous social media platforms. It rejects the distinction between offense and harm, between disagreement and discrimination, and between words and actions. It often reduces complex issues to a binary view such as one can only be “anti-racist” or “racist.” It rejects the importance of a person’s intent in making a statement and refuses to take into account how long ago a statement was made, the person’s age at the time they made it, or whether the statement in any way reflects a person’s current thinking.”

 

[GreekOrthodox]

As Subdood states, the major objection I have is that there seems to be no "off" switch. I was reading about a woman fired before she could start her job, based on 10 year old deleted tweets. Even someone who commits a real crime is permitted to rejoin society after their punishment. Thank heavens my societal sins from 30 years ago are only known to me! I can't even admit to a change of mind and how it happened for fear that someone might decide to cancel me.

 

[RDKirk]

As Subdood states, the major objection I have is that there seems to be no "off" switch. I was reading about a woman fired before she could start her job, based on 10 year old deleted tweets. Even someone who commits a real crime is permitted to rejoin society after their punishment. Thank heavens my societal sins from 30 years ago are only known to me! I can't even admit to a change of mind and how it happened for fear that someone might decide to cancel me.

That kind of thing did not start with "cancel culture." That would have happened at any time, if the technology had existed to reveal it. Let, for instance, it have been revealed back in the 60s that a woman applying for a teaching position had had a child out of wedlock when she was a teen...she would not get that job.

 

[GreekOrthodox]

That kind of thing did not start with "cancel culture." That would have happened at any time, if the technology had existed to reveal it. Let, for instance, it have been revealed back in the 60s that a woman applying for a teaching position had had a child out of wedlock when she was a teen...she would not get that job.

You are right. Maybe its more of this notion that people have to say what ever is on their mind this very second and announce it to the entire world. I rarely voice any kind of political opinion on FB and I deleted my Twitter account a few years ago, not that I ever used it.

 

[RDKirk]

You are right. Maybe its more of this notion that people have to say what ever is on their mind this very second and announce it to the entire world. I rarely voice any kind of political opinion on FB and I deleted my Twitter account a few years ago, not that I ever used it.

Well, for sure, I don't understand why any celebrity is on Twitter. Or anyone else, for that matter.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Well, for sure, I don't understand why any celebrity is on Twitter. Or anyone else, for that matter.

Not too long ago Twitter was how government officials were hired/fired and how policy and directives were put out.

 

[RDKirk]

Something I've also noted is that "cancelling" doesn't seem to stick to people who are actually talented, unless they've done something significantly egregious (or even criminal).

For instance, Keven Spacey's "cancellation" seems to have stuck...but then again, he's facing felony sexual assault charges. Louis CK, however, was accused only of lewd conduct, and after taking a bit of a hit has come back again. In both of those cases, two persons with actual talent had been accused of significantly different levels of offense. One stuck, the other didn't.

But there have been lots of "cancellations" that seem to have stuck...when the cancellees weren't particularly talented to begin with.

There were the cases of two woman actors working for Disney who had been making politically conservative tweets that reflected publicly on their employer. Disney told them both to cool it. One of them complied and kept her job, the other didn't comply and lost her job.

But the fact is that in these United States, public speech or conduct that caused what an employer considered adverse publicity would always have gotten an employee fired.

 

[Love365]

Do you think it’s healthy for the system,
for every comedian on network TV to be a Democrat?

 

[GreekOrthodox]

Do you think it’s healthy for the system,
for every comedian on network TV to be a Democrat?

Tim Allen, Norm Macdonald, Adam Carolla, Dennis Miller, Chevy Chase, Jeff Dunham and plenty more are Republicans.

The Funniest Conservative Comedians of All Time

 

[Love365]

Tim Allen, Norm Macdonald, Adam Carolla, Dennis Miller, Chevy Chase, Jeff Dunham and plenty more are Republicans.

The Funniest Conservative Comedians of All Time

None of them have TV shows on network TV today.

 

[Joyous Song]

Something I've also noted is that "cancelling" doesn't seem to stick to people who are actually talented, unless they've done something significantly egregious (or even criminal).

For instance, Keven Spacey's "cancellation" seems to have stuck...but then again, he's facing felony sexual assault charges. Louis CK, however, was accused only of lewd conduct, and after taking a bit of a hit has come back again. In both of those cases, two persons with actual talent had been accused of significantly different levels of offense. One stuck, the other didn't.

But there have been lots of "cancellations" that seem to have stuck...when the cancellees weren't particularly talented to begin with.

There were the cases of two woman actors working for Disney who had been making politically conservative tweets that reflected publicly on their employer. Disney told them both to cool it. One of them complied and kept her job, the other didn't comply and lost her job.

But the fact is that in these United States, public speech or conduct that caused what an employer considered adverse publicity would always have gotten an employee fired.

JS: this is true for the rich and famous but when some poor or disenfranchised gets "canceling" they can disappear because they were small to begin with. Many of robbed of what they did, then attacked as the thief. Unable due to their situation to respond they tend to pull back fearing to be burned again. The justice system also favors the wealthy not the poor.

 

[RDKirk]

JS: this is true for the rich and famous but when some poor or disenfranchised gets "canceling" they can disappear because they were small to begin with. Many of robbed of what they did, then attacked as the thief. Unable due to their situation to respond they tend to pull back fearing to be burned again. The justice system also favors the wealthy not the poor.

That is, if they come back, that doesn't make the news.

 

[Joyous Song]

That is, if they come back, that doesn't make the news.

JS: that's true, I've come back only to be blocked over and over again. Often I don't know why, other times I understand and make changes and sometimes I say "why bother" especial if those who blacklisted us (me and my husband) haven't changed their position or given us a reason to change ours and so we likely get blacklisted again the next time they disagree with us on something else.

Yet I heard from people whose creative ideas were stolen by someone in power. They all pulled back fearing this would happen again. I can't blame them, it happened to us, however they changed things enough to be different and in doing so the piece lost its worth. Still it hurt and its been years since we tried posting our stuff again. At the time we lost some very good friends who stopped talking to us by email because we been blacklisted.

It takes a lot of Chutzpah to come back from being blacklisted. Its a heavy and I do not think its Christian.

 

[RDKirk]

JS: that's true, I've come back only to be blocked over and over again. Often I don't know why, other times I understand and make changes and sometimes I say "why bother" especial if those who blacklisted us (me and my husband) haven't changed their position or given us a reason to change ours and so we likely get blacklisted again the next time they disagree with us on something else.

I don't quite know what you mean here by "blacklisting," but blacklisting is not "canceling." And blacklisting is not new.

Yet I heard from people whose creative ideas were stolen by someone in power. They all pulled back fearing this would happen again. I can't blame them, it happened to us, however they changed things enough to be different and in doing so the piece lost its worth.

That is not "canceling." And it's certainly not new. Still it hurt and its been years since we tried posting our stuff again. At the time we lost some very good friends who stopped talking to us by email because we been blacklisted.[/QUOTE]

You seem to be rolling several different adverse actions into "cancelling"...and none of them is new.

 

[Landon Caeli]

"Cancelling" is nothing more than the most modern name for "boycott" or "shun" or "excommunicate" or "scarlet letter" or "sanctuary city" (OT) or "...do not even eat with such a person" (NT).

Except a boycott is done to material objects such as products and money, while cancelling someone, is a direct attack on another human being.