How LOST are the SHEEP?

[Daniel Malik]

Yes, the nation of Israel shall be saved at the end of the Tribulation, which is a future event. (Romans 11:25-27)

Romans 11:1 1I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew

 

[Guojing]

Romans 11:1 1I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew

Yes you are correct. Israel has a future destiny with God. Its a temporal blindness, not a permanent casting away

 

[Daniel Malik]

I am not ignoring.

I am distinguishing between time past, but now and the age to come. Paul instructs us to rightly divide the word of truth in 2 Timothy 2:15

Time past : Exodus until Israel fell as a nation
But now: The current church age
Age to come :Tribulation.

Isaiah 61:1 was truth in Time past
Romans 11:26 is the word of truth during the age to come

How is Isaiah time past when It is the gospel ? Christ quotes it ? And god has an everlasting covenant with Israel. Make that make sense is all my asking you. Not conjecture and all that

 

[Guojing]

How is Isaiah time past when It is the gospel ? Christ quotes it ? And god has an everlasting covenant with Israel. Make that make sense is all my asking you. Not conjecture and all that

I think the main difference in our doctrines, is that you don't believe that Israel the nation has currently fallen in the eyes of God.

You read Romans 11 and interpret it differently from what Paul is literally saying.

Isn't Romans 11:11 and Romans 11:25-27 clear enough to state that the nation Israel is currently blinded?

 

[Daniel Malik]

Yes you are correct. Israel has a future destiny with God. Its a temporal blindness, not a permanent casting away

Israel has had a destiny with god before birth. genesis 25:23 23And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

genesis 21:12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.”

Isaiah 48:12“Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also amthe last.”

 

[Guojing]

Israel has had a destiny with god before birth. genesis 25:23 23And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

genesis 21:12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.”

Isaiah 48:12“Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also amthe last.”

Yes I agree with you. As I said, there is a future destiny with God, that is awaiting the nation Israel in the age to come.

We are living in the but now time period

 

[Daniel Malik]

I think the main difference in our doctrines, is that you don't believe that Israel the nation has currently fallen in the eyes of God.

You read Romans 11 and interpret it differently from what Paul is literally saying.

Isn't Romans 11:11 and Romans 11:25-27 clear enough to state that the nation Israel is currently blinded?

you don’t understand anything I have yet to give my input . Israel has fallen as a nation and fell into the ways of the gentile being carried away to dumb idols. Are you not seeing me bring this out. Israel will be in captivity until Christ return because heaven and earth have not yet past so Christ return has not yet happen. Israel will be in shambles and is. what you are doing wrong is saying that now the promises , the covenant, the salvation is no longer for Israel at this time. I’m saying it is was and always will be for the children of Israel scripturally . My doctrine is the Bible I don’t speak of myself but as the oracles of god

 

[Daniel Malik]

Yes I agree with you. As I said, there is a future destiny with God, that is awaiting the nation Israel in the age to come.

We are living in the but now time period

whatever time period it is . Christ has yet to return and his people Israel are awaiting his return. And keeping the laws of God to make there election sure. And they are reading more than romans 11 I’m sure

 

[Guojing]

you don’t understand anything I have yet to give my input . Israel has fallen as a nation and fell into the ways of the gentile being carried away to dumb idols. Are you not seeing me bring this out. Israel will be in captivity until Christ return because heaven and earth have not yet past so Christ return has not yet happen. Israel will be in shambles and is. what you are doing wrong is saying that now the promises , the covenant, the salvation is no longer for Israel at this time. I’m saying it is was and always will be for the children of Israel scripturally . My doctrine is the Bible I don’t speak of myself but as the oracles of god

So basically, are you saying you believe the current nation of Israel is still having a covenant with God?

 

[Daniel Malik]

Yes you are correct. Israel has a future destiny with God. Its a temporal blindness, not a permanent casting away

Do the gentiles have anything else other than Mercy right now ?

 

[Daniel Malik]

So basically, are you saying you believe the current nation of Israel is still having a covenant with God?

Yes the current Israelites scattered to the four corners of the earth are still under the old covenant until “the time of the gentiles be fulfilled” went Christ come back to usher in the new covenant.

 

[Guojing]

Do the gentiles have anything else other than Mercy right now ?

We gentiles in the Body of Christ are blessed with all spiritual blessings in Christ (Ephesians 1:3), so yes, definitely more than just mercy.

 

[Daniel Malik]

So basically, are you saying you believe the current nation of Israel is still having a covenant with God?

Romans 9
1I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, 2That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. 3For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: 4Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 5Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

 

[Daniel Malik]

We gentiles in the Body of Christ are blessed with all spiritual blessings in Christ (Ephesians 1:3), so yes, definitely more than just mercy.

I don’t think that’s Ephesians 1:3 buddy

 

[Guojing]

Yes the current Israelites scattered to the four corners of the earth are still under the old covenant until “the time of the gentiles be fulfilled” went Christ come back to usher in the new covenant.

So that is the difference in our doctrines.

There is no Israel the nation in the eyes of God now.

Current Jews, if they want to be saved, must do so like us gentiles, believe in Christ's death burial and resurrection (1 Cor 15:1-4).

 

[Guojing]

I don’t think that’s Ephesians 1:3 buddy

I am saying exactly what Ephesians 1:3 is saying.

 

[Daniel Malik]

We gentiles in the Body of Christ are blessed with all spiritual blessings in Christ (Ephesians 1:3), so yes, definitely more than just mercy.

1Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus: 2Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ


3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ

 

[Daniel Malik]

I am saying exactly what Ephesians 1:3 is saying.

No you added to the text and that’s a sin for sure it doesn’t say gentiles , contrarily it says saints

 

[Daniel Malik]

So that is the difference in our doctrines.

There is no Israel the nation in the eyes of God now.

Current Jews, if they want to be saved, must do so like us gentiles, believe in Christ's death burial and resurrection (1 Cor 15:1-4).

Israel has always been a nation. What don’t you understand about what I’m saying. Anything pertaining to the laws , covenant, adoptions, promises is for Israel biblically I have the scriptures so unless you are ethnically an Israelite is the only way Christ is coming for you.. that’s out of his mouth

 

[Guojing]

No you added to the text and that’s a sin for sure it doesn’t say gentiles , contrarily it says saints

I meant all of us Gentile believers, if you want to split hair.