What do you believe about January 6th?

[FenderTL5]

Spiritual delusion. I told you.

If you are referring to those who have exchanged Christ for Qristianity and Trumpism, I agree.

 

[Goonie]

I believe trump planned the insurrection and inspired his cult to attend. He kept advertising "stop the steal" rally on twitter. "It's gonna be wild" he goaded them. He absolutely is culpable as he continues to undermine America's faith in democracy. He's starting up his fundraising and rallying now to grift more money to pay his attorneys to help him escape accountability. Trump is never held accountable for reprehensible behavior and it's why he continues acting worse than a spoiled child! His parents dropped the ball. And republicans should have kept him in check. It's not a surprise trump thinks they are cowards. He's now embarking on his magical revenge tour to pay back those who were insufficient sycophants. Especially those who voted for his impeachment. He cares zero about the party he abused, or anyone who doesn't profit him. Biggs, Brooks and Gosar may be found to have helped inspire the deluded mob as well. Along with Junior and Rudy. Childcare in dealing with this lot! Hopefully sane Americans have learned from this debacle and will educate themselves before voting again.

Planned? I believe he definitely planned on a mass demonstration/riot to put undue influence on Pence and the legislature to ignore the law, but I suspect invading Congress was something he could not predict or plan.

 

[Sophrosyne]

I've never been in the carpentry trade, so obviously I've never just so happened to have the materials on hand to construct a gallows -- functional or otherwise. In fact, I may be jumping to conclusions here, but I'm going to guess most people don't.

Which means that someone planned in advance to construct a gallows in front of the capitol building, and of course, did just that. That sends a message...

.... don't you think?

Not really. as someone that has a long bed truck can throw misc leftover lumber in the back and cob something like that together pretty quickly. There are a lot of framing carpenters that can toss a wall together in a flash. If someone planned making a gallows it would look a lot better than that for sure the top beam wouldn't look about 4-6 inches too short and there would be corner braces or plywood corner scabs to keep the corners from coming apart under 300-500 lbs of weight or more. Not sure how much you need to drop a 200 lb man down on that beam but it is likely double what his weight is due to the gravity and distance fallen before the rope stops could be 2 times or more. It is likely someone with a computer could find online instructions on how to properly make a gallows and built one that looks better than that one.

 

[Brihaha]

Planned? I believe he definitely planned on a mass demonstration/riot to put undue influence on Pence and the legislature to ignore the law, but I suspect invading Congress was something he could not predict or plan.

Of course you may be right. But hearing Miller testify that trump wanted the guards protecting "his people" sounds like trump had it planned to stop congress from certifying Biden's win. The house is set to vote on a bipartisan commission to investigate the sad events of January 6th. "Remember this day patriots. We love you. Now go home."

 

[TLK Valentine]

Planned? I believe he definitely planned on a mass demonstration/riot to put undue influence on Pence and the legislature to ignore the law, but I suspect invading Congress was something he could not predict or plan.

Except -- Donald knew (assuming the FBI, DOJ, DHS, and/or USSS are reasonably competent) that some kind of violence was being planned that day. So... he gathered up his more passionate/less hinged followers, fed them an extra helping of his cockamamie conspiracy theories, and explicitly told them to march on the Capitol... knowing they had something unpleasant in mind.

 

[Brihaha]

Only if you do it in Istanbul, not Constantinople.

Wow that's an old reference. Istanbul was Constantinople now it's Istanbul not Constantinople...why did Constantinople get the works? It's nobody's business but the Turks hahaha!

 

[Goonie]

Except -- Donald knew (assuming the FBI, DOJ, DHS, and/or USSS are reasonably competent) that some kind of violence was being planned that day. So... he gathered up his more passionate/less hinged followers, fed them an extra helping of his cockamamie conspiracy theories, and explicitly told them to march on the Capitol... knowing they had something unpleasant in mind.

Which is why I said planned demonstration/riot.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Not really. as someone that has a long bed truck can throw misc leftover lumber in the back and cob something like that together pretty quickly. There are a lot of framing carpenters that can toss a wall together in a flash. If someone planned making a gallows it would look a lot better than that for sure the top beam wouldn't look about 4-6 inches too short and there would be corner braces or plywood corner scabs to keep the corners from coming apart under 300-500 lbs of weight or more. Not sure how much you need to drop a 200 lb man down on that beam but it is likely double what his weight is due to the gravity and distance fallen before the rope stops could be 2 times or more. It is likely someone with a computer could find online instructions on how to properly make a gallows and built one that looks better than that one.

One flaw in your reasoning is that you're assuming this work was done by professional craftspeople.

Another flaw in your reasoning is that you're forgetting that Donald was scheduled to speak, which means security would have been extra tight -- including the United States Secret Service scouting out the areas ahead of time.

A single person isn't going to have the time to construct a gallows before several armed gentlemen in black suits and sunglasses show up and ask a lot of questions.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Which is why I said planned demonstration/riot.

Which Donald became a knowing and willing participant of.

 

[Sophrosyne]

One flaw in your reasoning is that you're assuming this work was done by professional craftspeople.

Another flaw in your reasoning is that you're forgetting that Donald was scheduled to speak, which means security would have been extra tight -- including the United States Secret Service scouting out the areas ahead of time.

A single person isn't going to have the time to construct a gallows before several armed gentlemen in black suits and sunglasses show up and ask a lot of questions.

I never said single person...... a crew of 4 with 20v power tools and a box of screws or a 20v nailer could assemble something like that in less than half an hour. In fact the poor design could be attributed to rushing construction on site.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I never said single person...... a crew of 4 with 20v power tools and a box of screws or a 20v nailer could assemble something like that in less than half an hour. In fact the poor design could be attributed to rushing construction on site.

Good... then we're in agreement that there as at least one domestic terrorist organization involved.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Good... then we're in agreement that there as at least one domestic terrorist organization involved.

If you consider 4 rednecks with 20v tools and a pickup truck full of scrap lumber making a prop set of gallows a terrorist organization then I think you need to rethink your narrative here as it is more grandiose than needed to explain things.

 

[Sophrosyne]

The only domestic terrorist organization I can think of right now is BLM.

 

[rjs330]

Just as the one who is saying that it's a prop. However, it is more likely that they would have done exactly what the gallows were erected to do if they had ever got a hold of Pence.

Where is you evidence to support that? You can't prove that by the prop they constructed.

 

[Mayzoo]

If it is not working gallows then that sure dampens any idea that they came prepared to hang Pence.

I doubt anyone volunteered to test it beforehand to make sure it works....LOL.

 

[TLK Valentine]

If you consider 4 rednecks with 20v tools and a pickup truck full of scrap lumber making a prop set of gallows a terrorist organization then I think you need to rethink your narrative here as it is more grandiose than needed to explain things.

• What is the purpose of building a gallows? To terrorize someone by threatening them with violence.
• We've already established that these four rednecks planned this in advance, so that makes them organized.
• On the assumption that these aren't foreign rednecks, they're domestic.

So...what we have here is a domestic group that organized a plan to use the threat of violence against innocent people in order to affect government policy. That's not a "narrative"; that's a textbook definition.

I never claimed that these members of "Y'all Qaeda" were a large or dangerous group of domestic terrorists, but they are what they are.

 

[Sophrosyne]

I doubt anyone volunteered to test it beforehand to make sure it works....LOL.

Probably couldn't figure out how to test it.

 

[Sophrosyne]

• What is the purpose of building a gallows? To terrorize someone by threatening them with violence.
• We've already established that these four rednecks planned this in advance, so that makes them organized.
• On the assumption that these aren't foreign rednecks, they're domestic.

So...what we have here is a domestic group that organized a plan to use the threat of violence against innocent people in order to affect government policy. That's not a "narrative"; that's a textbook definition.

I never claimed that these members of "Y'all Qaeda" were a large or dangerous group of domestic terrorists, but they are what they are.

Your whole post is nothing but a narrative. You want to believe these people had both started out to murder pence and that they had it all planned and there was a good possibility if they were not stopped Pence would be hung.
I personally consider this on the level of fantasy myself. I've seen college pranks similar to this gallows bit and it means nothing but a way to vent frustration as nobody got hung.... ever.

 

[RDKirk]

Your whole post is nothing but a narrative. You want to believe these people had both started out to murder pence and that they had it all planned and there was a good possibility if they were not stopped Pence would be hung.
I personally consider this on the level of fantasy myself. I've seen college pranks similar to this gallows bit and it means nothing but a way to vent frustration as nobody got hung.... ever.

Once they turned into a mob, it's no telling how far things might have gone.

 

[renniks]

Did Charlie Manson get railroaded in 1969? Just curious.

Ok, now you are just being silly.