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Exactly!

My goodness! What's going on today? Keras gave a genuine and humble apology.....I emphatically agree with TS (on at least something!).....

I think it's important that you pointed out Jesus was anointed as High Priest (I'd add....to take the throne of King David's priestly/king position as promised).
I did it now, but when things really do happen and all the confused and wrong theories of people, are shown to be error, then they will have to apologize.

You agree with TS? He has never proved the date of the Crucifixion was 33 AD.
I and CG, have proved it was in 29/30 AD, by the use of Biblical timelines.

When Jesus was born, when He was Baptized and His anointing, are all of significance, but none of them are pivotal in the grand scheme of God's timing.
His 'Coronation', his Death and Resurrection, were and they all happened in 30 AD. After 4000 years since Adam, at the end of the 69th 'week', and it fits with the 490 year cycles. Plus, probably the Jubilee year as well.
 
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I thought you preferred Sola Scriptura? Why link to an article written by a man that has 5000 or so words that are extra-biblical text?

Tony used the Word of God alone as the ultimate source for interpretation and understanding the Bible. Why 5,000 words? Be comparing Scripture with Scripture. Extra Biblical text? Show me.
 
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We go to the scriptures, we see that this is the exact year that Christ officially began His role as high priest. This is the year He was Anointed by the Holy Spirit and was 'announced' and baptized by John the Baptist. This is when God had the dove descend upon Him, and of His officially taking on His office. This is the year when (as it was written), John, having prepared the way, gave way to Christ. John had prepared the way for this, 'His Coming!'

This is why John said that now he had to decrease, while Christ increased. This is why Jesus said, 'the TIME is fulfilled, the Kingdom of God is at hand.' This is the acceptable year, this is the time of His anointing. This is when Jesus went to the Temple, opened up the book of Isaiah, and read:
In Daniel 9:27 it says he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week. In Matthew 4:12-17, after He heard that John the Baptist was cast into prison … from that time Jesus began to preach, and say, repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. I would say that while Jesus was baptized prior to Matthew 4:12 he did not preach (confirm the covenant) until sometime after his baptism.

Would you place the start of the one week confirmation with many at Jesus’s baptism or at the time he started to preach? If it was at his baptism, why would there be a delay in his proclaiming of the kingdom of heaven?


I’m also thinking about this; from Mark 1:9-13 immediately after Jesus was baptized he was driven into the wilderness. In John 1:29 the next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. So the declaration of Jesus being the Lamb of God occurs after the 40 days in the wilderness. If the confirmation of the covenant started at his baptism it wouldn’t seem to make sense that the confirmation would have included the 40 days in the wilderness because it certainly wasn’t with many during that time.
 
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I did it now, but when things really do happen and all the confused and wrong theories of people, are shown to be error, then they will have to apologize.
But "things" have already happened. Jesus fulfilled Scripture.

It's at the level of crazy-making that the ministry of Jesus isn't agreed on in western modern Christianity.
 
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guess you didn’t read the article link, too


I began to read that article but after I finished reading to this part below, that was enough to tell me I didn't need to read that article any further.

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Now, because the normal Patriarch that would be born that year would be destroyed by the flood (and thus break the line), Lamech's immediate son Noah becomes the next Patriarch. So this year of course cannot be the next reference. Which is of course why God breaks the genealogical record in Genesis 5 at Noah, and gives us information about his immediate sons and the flood with reference to them. Lamech was 182 years old when Noah was born. That started the year of Noah's Patriarchal reign. From Creation to Lamech was 5241, and to the next Patriarch Noah (an immediate son) is 5423 years. The next Patriarchal reference is Shem, who was born when Noah was 502 years old (Genesis 7-6, 11:10) which was 5925 years from creation.

The scriptures tell us Noah was 600 at the year of the flood, so that puts the flood at 6023 years after creation (5 years after the death of Lamech). Did you ever wonder why, when going through the genealogies of Genesis chapters 5 and 11, God is "careful" to give the life spans and birth dates of certain specific family heads (Patriarchs)? While in other chapters with genealogies, it will simply say, this person begat that person, and another begat another? We know that God does everything for a reason, and the obvious reason is so that we would 'know' how long these Patriarchal heads lived, and exactly 'when' the next Patriarch was born. The necessary information is carefully given, even in breaks in the genealogical Patriarchal order (as when most of the world was killed in the flood). In the beginning, and after the flood (new Beginning), God makes sure that we have the information needed to add the years from one to another accurately. He gives us information which otherwise would not be given.

http://mountainretreatorg.net/bible/timeline.shtml
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Total nonsense that this puts the flood at 6023 years after creation. Most ppl, who at least can do basic math, knows, and most ppl agree with this math, that when Noah died it was 2006 years after Adam was created. The math proves it. The flood was 350 before Noan died. 6023 years after creation is nowhere remotely near 350 years prior to 2006 years after creation.

All one has to do is add up all of the begats from Seth to Noah, which add up to 1056, then add 1056 to Noah's number of years he lived, 950 in this case, in order to arrive at how many years since Adam to Noah's death, then subtract 350 from that in order to arrive at how many years since Adam to the flood. It's that simple. Nothing other than this is required in order to determine this. It is Seth's line then Shem's line that Christ came through. That's the only lines we need to concern ourselves with, in order to determine how many years since Adam to Christ.

1056 + 950 = 2006. 2006 - 350 = 1656, meaning how many years from Adam to the flood.
 
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I did it now, but when things really do happen and all the confused and wrong theories of people, are shown to be error, then they will have to apologize.

You agree with TS? He has never proved the date of the Crucifixion was 33 AD.
I and CG, have proved it was in 29/30 AD, by the use of Biblical timelines.

When Jesus was born, when He was Baptized and His anointing, are all of significance, but none of them are pivotal in the grand scheme of God's timing.
His 'Coronation', his Death and Resurrection, were and they all happened in 30 AD. After 4000 years since Adam, at the end of the 69th 'week', and it fits with the 490 year cycles. Plus, probably the Jubilee year as well.


What you haven't proved thus far in this thread, was 30 AD 483 years since the commandment went out? 483 years earlier would be around 453 BC. Were there any commandments to build and restore Jerusalem recorded in history in that year?
 
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guess you didn’t read the article link, too
No, I don't watch biased videos either.
You are not on my 'ignore list', I have never done that with anybody. But When I see your avatar, I scroll quickly to the next post.
But "things" have already happened. Jesus fulfilled Scripture.

It's at the level of crazy-making that the ministry of Jesus isn't agreed on in western modern Christianity.
We all know that Jesus is with us always. Matthew 28:20
For now, in a Spiritual way, but the Day is coming and He will Return physically as promised, Revelation 1:7, Revelation 19:11

Do not expect that He will suddenly Return into the world as it is today. The world will be quite different and Bible Prophecy tells us all about what will happen. Be aware, or remain in the dark!
 
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What you haven't proved thus far in this thread, was 30 AD 483 years since the commandment went out? 483 years earlier would be around 453 BC. Were there any commandments to build and restore Jerusalem recorded in history in that year?
The exact date that Decree was promulgated is just simply; not known.
All we can be sure of, is that it was 483 years before 30 AD.
YOU prove otherwise.
 
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In Daniel 9:27 it says he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week.

Christ confirmed the covenant with many. He died for His Elect, all of the Saints from Old and New Testament who are also Daniel's people, not everyone in the world.

[/quote]In Matthew 4:12-17, after He heard that John the Baptist was cast into prison … from that time Jesus began to preach, and say, repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. I would say that while Jesus was baptized prior to Matthew 4:12 he did not preach (confirm the covenant) until sometime after his baptism.

Would you place the start of the one week confirmation with many at Jesus’s baptism or at the time he started to preach? If it was at his baptism, why would there be a delay in his proclaiming of the kingdom of heaven?[/quote]

Not according to Scripture.

Heb 9:11-17
(11) But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
(12) Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
(13) For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
(14) How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
(15) And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
(16) For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
(17) For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

The covenant can only be confirmed by the death of the testator. It cannot be confirmed by baptism while Christ was still alive. Therefore, the covenant was confirmed at the Cross, not Baptism.

I’m also thinking about this; from Mark 1:9-13 immediately after Jesus was baptized he was driven into the wilderness. In John 1:29 the next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. So the declaration of Jesus being the Lamb of God occurs after the 40 days in the wilderness. If the confirmation of the covenant started at his baptism it wouldn’t seem to make sense that the confirmation would have included the 40 days in the wilderness because it certainly wasn’t with many during that time.[/QUOTE]

No, it does not make sense. The confirmation of the covenant has nothing to do with Baptism or the preaching of the Gospel. It's HIS DEATH that made the way for the New Testament Covenant Church as kingdom representative of God's kingdom on Earth.

You will have to show us the Scripture where the covenant requires baptism to be confirmed.
 
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It's all pretty verbose to wade through.

Awww.

So 21 pages of the article that came with a lot of Scripture are a bit too much for you to read in comparison to over 1,200 pages of the Holy Bible. Okay, I get it.
 
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No, I don't watch biased videos either.
You are not on my 'ignore list', I have never done that with anybody. But When I see your avatar, I scroll quickly to the next post.

Aww... are you allowing an avatar to prevent you from reading someone else's good Bible study on the subject? Okay, the Lord judges, and I am comfortable with it.
 
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1991.5 + 4000 = 5991.5 years, is where we are now on God's decreed time for mankind.
I appreciate your honest adjustment concerning the date of Jesus death to AD 30. It is indeed a pivotal point in human history. However your timeline from creation says that we are now only nine years from the 6000-year mark.

What are you implying here? Are you expecting a major event at that time? If so, I cannot support such an idea, because there simply isn’t any scriptural justification for it. We are given certain signs concerning the times we live in and that is sufficient for me. I don’t believe specific endtime events can be dated as his first coming could.
 
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Awww.

So 21 pages of the article that came with a lot of Scripture are a bit too much for you to read in comparison to over 1,200 pages of the Holy Bible. Okay, I get it.
Actually......yes! It is too much for me.

Not to get personal.....but I'm recovering from a stroke.....so trying to concentrate on large chunks of text IS a lot for me (and I imagine others have a life of their own and aren't that interested in reading all that just because you linked it).
 
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The exact date that Decree was promulgated is just simply; not known.
All we can be sure of, is that it was 483 years before 30 AD.
YOU prove otherwise.
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It is not a given that the command to restore and rebuild came from any foreign king, such as Cyrus and Artaxerxes. Yes those kings were involved in the overall re-establishment of the city and temple. But the command could have been from someone like Ezra or Nehemiah.

I am basically agreeing with keras at this point, that it is simply not known. The important thing is that the 483 years were fulfilled when Jesus entered Jerusalem riding the donkey.

A big thing that went on between Daniel's prayer and the 49 years till the command to rebuild and restores, had to have been a migration of Jews back to Jerusalem.



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Actually......yes! It is too much for me.

That is too bad. Read the article as you have done with all other articles, studies, Bible, etc. No deadline for you. Take your time.



Not to get personal.....but I'm recovering from a stroke.....so trying to concentrate on large chunks of text IS a lot for me (and I imagine others have a life of their own and aren't that interested in reading all that just because you linked it).

Get well soon.
 
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I appreciate your honest adjustment concerning the date of Jesus death to AD 30. It is indeed a pivotal point in human history. However your timeline from creation says that we are now only nine years from the 6000-year mark.

What are you implying here? Are you expecting a major event at that time? If so, I cannot support such an idea, because there simply isn’t any scriptural justification for it. We are given certain signs concerning the times we live in and that is sufficient for me. I don’t believe specific endtime events can be dated as his first coming could.


It's debatable as to whether or not some in the early church were correct or not, in regards to the following. what is not debatable, some in the early church saw it this way. And that being, God would give 6000 years for this present age, and when that expires, this age ends. These same ones that believed that also believed there would be a thousand year 7th day following that, followed by an 8th day, the beginning of a new world, where it is obvious they took this 8th day to be meaning right after the great white throne judgment. Some Amils disagree though, and that they apparently forgot how to count correctly since they think the 7th day and 8th day are one and the same. I would like to see someone prove that with math, that 7 and 8 are referring to the same number. I would like to see someone prove 7 doesn't come after 6, and that 8 doesn't come after 7.
 
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