Dinosaurs on the Ark: How It Was Possible

[Gene Parmesan]

If we're talking global flood:

How did Noah get animals from all over the world? Miracle
How did Noah know how to build a boat, with no experience, that was huge and capable of remaining intact on tumultuous waters for a long time? Miracle
How did the animals behave docile enough to go along with all of this? Miracle
Covering the Earth in water by calling it up from the ground and creating openings in the firmament above? Miracle
I don't think the list needs to continue but we could keep going.

You can't have a scientific discussion about what is possible here. Miracles, by definition, are at odds with science. I ask again, what is the point of all this?

 

[Job 33:6]

From Answers in Genisis

How dinosaurs lived with man, how they were preserved on Noah’s ark—likely as juveniles—and what happened to dinosaurs after the flood
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The Dinosaur "Hurdle"

But the biggest hurdle people have when they see any of our displays of the ark (or visit the Ark Encounter) is seeing dinosaurs depicted on the ark (or in stalls in the Ark Encounter). Due to evolutionary indoctrination, many people can't picture man living alongside dinosaurs, or if they do, they think of the Jurassic Park/World movies and view all dinosaurs as wanting to trample or eat people. Even if they overcome or set aside this stumbling block, we still get questions of how dinosaurs could even fit on the ark, particularly when considering the massive dinosaurs, especially the sauropods. Other oft-cited "problems" with dinosaurs on the ark are feeding the herbivores the massive amounts of vegetation that the adults eat, feeding the carnivorous ones (and avoiding being eaten by them), and cleaning up after them.

It makes more sense to think that God would have sent to Noah juveniles (or sub-adults) or smaller varieties within the same kind.​

Crunching the Numbers

Noah also did not have to bring marine animals, bacteria, fungi, or plants (except as possible food sources) and many (if any) insects onto the ark.​

But How Could Noah Care for the Dinosaurs on the Ark?

We need to keep in mind that Noah was a very intelligent man and was obeying God’s commands by faith (Hebrews 11:7). And it was God’s desire that the animals on the ark were well cared for and able to disembark healthy and repopulate the new world.​

Dinosaurs Were on the Ark and Dinosaurs Came off the Ark
The evolutionary story is that dinosaurs died out 66 million years ago, long before humans evolved. But Scripture tells a quite different account.

Will young earth creationists ever be able to explain why dinosaurs aren't found in Paleozoic or cenozoic strata?

No.

 

[Gene Parmesan]

Will young earth creationists ever be able to explain why dinosaurs aren't found in Paleozoic or cenozoic strata?

No.

Honestly, why would they? They don't believe there even was a Paleozoic era some hundreds of millions of years ago.

 

[AV1611VET]

Are these animals the same kind?

Chinese mountain cat - Wikipedia

Marbled cat - Wikipedia

No.

 

[AV1611VET]

Will young earth creationists ever be able to explain why dinosaurs aren't found in Paleozoic or cenozoic strata?

They are, but you don't know it.

In modern thought:

• Paleozoic = 541 million years ago
• Cenozoic = 66 million years ago

By placing a 475 million year gap between these two, you're setting up a kind of "optical illusion" that is backfiring on you.

HOWEVER, assuming these two layers are actually that old due to EMBEDDED AGE, then what you are doing is tantamount to dating the dinosaurs by the layers they are found in.

Either way, your academics is creating a mental block that's keeping you from understanding.

 

[AV1611VET]

Honestly, why would they? They don't believe there even was a Paleozoic era some hundreds of millions of years ago.

I totally agree.

Calling these layers by all these fancy names is just backfiring on them.

 

[Frank Robert]

So, where are they?

I have two dinosaurs, a cockatoo and an African gray.

 

[Frank Robert]

The bad news is that all the pterosaurs are gone, the good news is that you can still own a pet dinosaur. I had one when I was around 11 or 12 years old, his name was Kiwi, and he was an adorable little parakeet/budgie.

-CryptoLutheran

Kiwi is the name of my cockatoo dinosaur. She'll be 25 in August.

 

[Frank Robert]

It's simple.

One possible way is that the Ark was bigger on the inside than it was on the outside.

I believe scientists recognize eleven (or fourteen?) dimensions of space; not just the three we're accustomed to.

He used DNA which is much more compact and eliminates feeding and cleaning.

 

[AV1611VET]

He used DNA which is much more compact and eliminates feeding and cleaning.

Nice ... that should insure you won't understand fully, won't it?

How long do you intend to stay an agnostic?

 

[renniks]

They? Who's they? In any case, the stories of Jesus were composed many centuries later than the Ark account, by different authors with different literary agendas writing in different languages to different historiographical conventions. Comparing the Ark account to the Gospels is like comparing The Tales of King Arthur to The Right Stuff.

So I guess you don't believe God has preserved his word or Truth and that the Bible is just storys. Good to know. Of course Jesus spoke of the flood and creation as real happening so seems to me you have a little dilemma there. If you believe he is truth, that is

 

[dlamberth]

So I guess you don't believe God has preserved his word or Truth and that the Bible is just storys. Good to know. Of course Jesus spoke of the flood and creation as real happening so seems to me you have a little dilemma there. If you believe he is truth, that is

There was the human side of Jesus that only knew the myths and religious stories of the times. The Truth part comes in with the Heart of Christ being Infinite Love and Compassion.

 

[Job 33:6]

Honestly, why would they? They don't believe there even was a Paleozoic era some hundreds of millions of years ago.

Yea, well the thing is, even a young earther should be able to differentiate deep layers from shallow layers.

If they can tell the difference between a piece of paper on the bottom of a stack of office papers, and a piece of paper on the top of that stack, and if they can mentally imagine which paper may have been placed on the desk first (obviously the one on the bottom of the stack was there first because if the stack started from the top, paper would be floating in mid air over the desk), they hypothetically also ought to be able to distinguish between which rock layers existed before or after others, and hence could still accept that Paleozoic strata exists, regardless of it's specific age. Meaning that they could still accept "relative dating" of rocks (superposition) which is not to be confused with "absolute dating" of rocks (radiometric dating) which is a different topic.

Some creationists have made it this far to accept this line of thought^. So it's not unreasonable to expect young earthers to understand and accept this because some already do.

But I agree, some young earth creationists think that the entire Earth is like one big commingled homogeneous blob of rock that has no distinguishable layers or order to layers. In which case I guess we would just scratch our heads and wonder how they would come to such a conclusion despite everyone having the ability to see that rocks are in clearly distinguishable layers.

Assuming we all have eyeballs, we should all be able to reach the conclusion that Paleozoic strata does in fact exist and is distinguishable from Mesozoic strata, cenozoic strata, proterozoic strata etc.

Isn't that right @AV1611VET
@Lion IRC you should be aware of this too, and @renniks too.

 

[trophy33]

I don't know. I forgot to count them. Sorry.

Where there pinguins, kangaroos, kiwis, polar bears?

Where there animals needing warm weather together with animals needing cold weather, on the ark?

Where there seals on the ark? If so, how did they get to Mesopotamia, by land? By air?

How did the wild wild flood make it that animals in fossils are ordered nicely from simplest organisms to today's organisms?

 

[AV1611VET]

Assuming we all have eyeballs, we should all be able to reach the conclusion that Paleozoic strata does in fact exist and is distinguishable from Mesozoic strata, cenozoic strata, proterozoic strata etc.

Isn't that right @AV1611VET

As I said, if you want to call these layers by different names, knock yourself out.

But be careful ... it just might confuse you.

 

[Gene Parmesan]

Yea, well the thing is, even a young earther should be able to differentiate deep layers from shallow layers.

If they can tell the difference between a piece of paper on the bottom of a stack of office papers, and a piece of paper on the top of that stack, and if they can mentally imagine which paper may have been placed on the desk first (obviously the one on the bottom of the stack was there first because if the stack started from the top, paper would be floating in mid air over the desk), they hypothetically also ought to be able to distinguish between which rock layers existed before or after others, and hence could still accept that Paleozoic strata exists, regardless of it's specific age. Meaning that they could still accept "relative dating" of rocks (superposition) which is not to be confused with "absolute dating" of rocks (radiometric dating) which is a different topic.

Some creationists have made it this far to accept this line of thought^. So it's not unreasonable to expect young earthers to understand and accept this because some already do.

But I agree, some young earth creationists think that the entire Earth is like one big commingled homogeneous blob of rock that has no distinguishable layers or order to layers. In which case I guess we would just scratch our heads and wonder how they would come to such a conclusion despite everyone having the ability to see that rocks are in clearly distinguishable layers.

Assuming we all have eyeballs, we should all be able to reach the conclusion that Paleozoic strata does in fact exist and is distinguishable from Mesozoic strata, cenozoic strata, proterozoic strata etc.

Isn't that right @AV1611VET

It does seem obvious, but there are strong incentives to not believe it. The conclusion for them has been reached and now they must try to get history to fit into that conclusion. Here's an article from Answers in Genesis that you should be able to read, provided that your eyes don't roll out of your head before you get to the end.
Doesn’t the Order of Fossils in Rock Record Favor Long Ages?

 

[renniks]

There was the human side of Jesus that only knew the myths and religious stories of the times. The Truth part comes in with the Heart of Christ being Infinite Love and Compassion.

Jesus knew things no normal man could. He read minds. He certainly knew the stories were true, because he was there when they happened. He was there at creation.

 

[AV1611VET]

Were there penguins, kangaroos, kiwis, polar bears?

I don't know. I wasn't on the Ark.

But as for polar bears, I'm sure there weren't; since there was no polar climatology until after the Flood.

Prior to the Flood, it never even rained. The earth was one tropical paradise (until the fallen angels messed it up).

Were there together animals needing warm weather together with animals needing cold weather, on the ark?

I don't know. But if there was, I'm sure they had their own dimension of space with their own climate.

Job 37:17 How thy garments are warm, when he quieteth the earth by the south wind?

Psalm 147:17 He casteth forth his ice like morsels: who can stand before his cold?

Where there seals on the ark? If so, how did they get to Mesopotamia, by land? By air?

If there were seals on the Ark, God brought them there.

 

[trophy33]

Jesus knew things no normal man could. He read minds. He certainly knew the stories were true, because he was there when they happened. He was there at creation.

When did Jesus say that the biblical stories are literally true or literal history?

His "have you not read that..." simply points to the Scriptures they got to live by, but they did not.
He was not forcing them to accept that as literal history to the smallest details.

 

[trophy33]

Prior to the Flood, it never even rained. The earth was one tropical paradise (until the fallen angels messed it up).

Is there a chance you have any evidence for your ideas? Its like saying the story happened on Mars or something, you can invent whatever you want, without any evidence.

You are more like a fantasy writer than discussing evidence.