Police are NOT hunting down black people

[Pommer]

Here is my problem, you keep making generalized unsupported statements you have many opinions no doubt based on what you have been told by those who want the problems you mention to exist. You need to check out if these things that you think are true, are actually true.

You know what would be a good reality tv show?
Black Folks’ Body Cameras.
It would be ever so educational for the rest of us to see the daily doings of people doing things while black!

 

[SummerMadness]

When asked what put them in prison, they will tell you the crime they were convicted of. Most unfortunately do not take responsibility because they were never taught responsibility.

For some reason I don't believe you. Having done research in prison, most prisoners take responsibility for their actions. The only time you meet people who do not take responsibility for their actions is when you meet psychopaths, but they are a minority population (and have other psychological traits that point to their psychopathy). I never met any non-psychopathic inmates, including the murderers, that did not take responsibility for their actions. This includes the kids in juvenile hall; however, for minors, their home life is a big factor. It's not fatherless homes, it is poverty, domestic violence and substance abuse, particularly alcoholism in the home, that are the common theme. Music is not a factor.

When I ask them why they did the things they done, they usually point to those they look up to and those people are usually who they grew up watching on television. They want to be like the rappers. They think a criminal record will earn them respect. They think women are objects for sexual gratification. They think violence will solve their problems. They think drugs will make them happy. All these are lies that are fed to them every single day.

I don't believe anything you're saying, this sounds more like what you believe. Inmates I have met and spoken to drink and use drugs to escape the misery in their lives, not because a rapper told them to. They are not doing anything because a rapper told them to. This just sounds made up.

Eventually, there is a breakthrough where the kid discovers the truth. They first become shocked, hurt, then angry. I cannot begin to tell you how angry they become. But they are not angry at the white cop who arrested them or the white judge who sentenced them. They are angry at the black father who abandoned them and the black mother who they watched strung out on drugs every other day and sent their older sister to work the strip selling her body so Mama can get more drugs. They are angry at the gang leader who convinced them they were family only to discover they were merely being used as pawns to smuggle and sell drugs on his behalf. I can write for hours of all the reason why these boys are angry. Frankly, they are right to be angry. Not because of white supremacy or systemic racism, but because their families and communities failed them.

Good speech, but it sounds more like what you tell people to feel as opposed to something they actually feel.

 

[disciple Clint]

You know what would be a good reality tv show?
Black Folks’ Body Cameras.
It would be ever so educational for the rest of us to see the daily doings of people doing things while black!

That may be a good idea, TV and the movies have shown some elements of black society that are unseen by non black people. I am in favor of everyone trying to understand each other.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I mean, even given how terribly myopic the statistical interpretation is, no one is claiming they're hunting them down, this isn't the police making sport of a race, it's systemic biases that are still around in society because of how police were used to, in no small part, hunt down runaway slaves in the 18th and 19th centuries

Please explain what in the world slavery has to do with modern policing.

Do you think there's a training session where cops get together and hunt down slaves?

Do you think there's any mention of slavery at all?

What exactly is it about slavery that affects policing today?

On its own....it looks like one of the most obvious and pathetic appeals to emotion I've ever seen and frankly, it makes me think that whoever saying it is trying their hardest to demonize police or automatically accepts any reason to justify their irrational emotional rhetoric...

But I could be wrong here. Maybe I'm missing something, right?

So let's hear how slavery influenced modern day policing.

 

[Larniavc]

No hyperbole. I am ministering to kids

And what exactly does that entail?

what does your 15 years of psychotherapy say about a boy who joins a gang at 14 years old so he would "be respected" and "have a family who got his back"?

That society has failed him.

 

[Larniavc]

Give us all a break and go back and watch the video of this event in real time, feel free to freeze frame it when you are certain that the officer was not in fear for his life. Everyone is an expert after the facts are known but making the call in real time is another issue.

I’ve seen it. If the officer cannot do his job because he ‘feared for his life’ he should not be a cop. I’m told that soldiers in a much worse situation do not panic and start firing out of fear because of the training, drill and discipline.

Seems the people being recruited to the American police have none of that.

If you are too scared to do you job without killing people by accident get another job.

To ‘protect and serve’; not ‘get scared and kill’.

 

[Larniavc]

Just to clear this up for you the question of who pulled the trigger is of no significance, they both conspired and participated in a crime.

I’m simply astounded that this kind of opinion is openly stated in a Christian website.

Is this a common Christian stance?

 

[Pommer]

I’m simply astounded that this kind of opinion is openly stated in a Christian website.

Is this a common Christian stance?

It’s been the brush with authoritarianism that has peaked this turn to “extreme justice”.
A crime was committed: if someone dies maybe they shouldn’t have done the crime?, and like that.

 

[disciple Clint]

I’ve seen it. If the officer cannot do his job because he ‘feared for his life’ he should not be a cop. I’m told that soldiers in a much worse situation do not panic and start firing out of fear because of the training, drill and discipline.

Seems the people being recruited to the American police have none of that.

If you are too scared to do you job without killing people by accident get another job.

To ‘protect and serve’; not ‘get scared and kill’.

Once again you are not seeing the circumstances surrounding this shooting, the officer was not afraid, he was by himself dealing with two suspects, he actually was very brave under the circumstances.

 

[disciple Clint]

I’m simply astounded that this kind of opinion is openly stated in a Christian website.

Is this a common Christian stance?

I have no idea what you are attempting to insinuate but the law is clear, they can both be charged with the same crime regardless of which one of the pulled the trigger. Christianity has nothing to do with enforcement of the legal statutes

 

[Ana the Ist]

I’ve seen it. If the officer cannot do his job because he ‘feared for his life’ he should not be a cop.

You're a psychotherapist?

And you believe that the problem is that cops haven't successfully suppressed the instinct of survival?

No offense....but if you want I can show you video after video of soldiers panicking, killing civilians, getting each other killed, etc.

It's not a criticism of them.

 

[KCfromNC]

Just to clear this up for you the question of who pulled the trigger is of no significance, they both conspired and participated in a crime.

Another rationalization for a predetermined conclusion that they deserved to be shot by police. Kinda goes to my previous point.

 

[KCfromNC]

OK before we get to that you need to provide evidence that there is a systemic problem

See post #3. For some reason, instead of talking about it the discussion wandered to rap music.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Having done research in prison, most prisoners take responsibility for their actions.

Inmates I have met and spoken to drink and use drugs to escape the misery in their lives, not because a rapper told them to.

I snipped the parts I wanted to address. Yes, as I stated, they will tell you what they were convicted of. The will admit they robbed, assaulted, raped, etc. But there is usually someone to blame when asked why. Second, is trying to "escape the misery in their lives" not the same as trying to be happy? And it is absolutely true that young people tend to imitate those they look up to. I am stating that the biggest problem in our community is our culture. As you and I both know, music plays a huge part in our culture and has a much bigger influence in the black community. We love music. But that isn't even the point that I am trying to make. The issue is the absent father. When there is a fatherly void in a young child's life, they will fill that void elsewhere like a hip hop star or a gang boss.

 

[SummerMadness]

I snipped the parts I wanted to address. Yes, as I stated, they will tell you what they were convicted of. The will admit they robbed, assaulted, raped, etc. But there is usually someone to blame when asked why.

And as I have stated, I see people take responsibility for their actions. They don't go around blaming others, only the psychopaths do that.

Second, is trying to "escape the misery in their lives" not the same as trying to be happy?

Fair enough, but I would argue that their desire to escape is not because they think it will make them happy, rather they believe it will lessen or remove pain. Yes, people tend to be happier when they are not in pain, but a person doesn't take a pain killer because they think it will make then happy, they take it because they think it will take away their pain.

And it is absolutely true that young people tend to imitate those they look up to. I am stating that the biggest problem in our community is our culture. As you and I both know, music plays a huge part in our culture and has a much bigger influence in the black community. We love music. But that isn't even the point that I am trying to make. The issue is the absent father. When there is a fatherly void in a young child's life, they will fill that void elsewhere like a hip hop star or a gang boss.

And this is where you simply go off the rails. When you look at crime across the United States and around the world, the salient factors are poverty, income inequality, education, etc. At no point does music come up. I'm addition, the absent black father myth is not a factor. Family life is a factor, but it's not if there is not a father in a home, it is what are the parents doing (i.e., if they are engaging in criminal activity, it doesn't matter the make up of the home).

Crime is complex, for instance one reason why people go into crime is it pays better. It pays better because the economic opportunities in the community are not there, a person is less likely to sell drugs if the available jobs paid more. Wages in our society are depressed, and the rich have gotten richer. In societies where this kind of income inequality increases, crime increases too. It's not about whether someone is listening to music. Things are complex and interconnected, it's not someone listening to rap music. And considering that there are societies with similar crime issues with similar universal problems, it seems odd to argue that black people are somehow a different or special circumstance because hip-hop exists. In fact, before hip-hop they attacked soul, funk, rock and jazz as the causes of black pathology. Hip-hop is the latest target and whatever genre predominates black culture in the future will be attacked just the same.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

And as I have stated, I see people take responsibility for their actions. They don't go around blaming others, only the psychopaths do that.

Fair enough, but I would argue that their desire to escape is not because they think it will make them happy, rather they believe it will lessen or remove pain. Yes, people tend to be happier when they are not in pain, but a person doesn't take a pain killer because they think it will make then happy, they take it because they think it will take away their pain.

And this is where you simply go off the rails. When you look at crime across the United States and around the world, the salient factors are poverty, income inequality, education, etc. At no point does music come up. I'm addition, the absent black father myth is not a factor. Family life is a factor, but it's not if there is not a father in a home, it is what are the parents doing (i.e., if they are engaging in criminal activity, it doesn't matter the make up of the home).

Crime is complex, for instance one reason why people go into crime is it pays better. It pays better because the economic opportunities in the community are not there, a person is less likely to sell drugs if the available jobs paid more. Wages in our society are depressed, and the rich have gotten richer. In societies where this kind of income inequality increases, crime increases too. It's not about whether someone is listening to music. Things are complex and interconnected, it's not someone listening to rap music. And considering that there are societies with similar crime issues with similar universal problems, it seems odd to argue that black people are somehow a different or special circumstance because hip-hop exists. In fact, before hip-hop they attacked soul, funk, rock and jazz as the causes of black pathology. Hip-hop is the latest target and whatever genre predominates black culture in the future will be attacked just the same.

I will let Thomas Sowell explain.

 

[SummerMadness]

I will let Thomas Sowell explain.

I'm not watching a video... regardless, Thomas Sowell is just a biased opinion writer on the topic with an axe to grind against black people. Michelle Alexander is a better source.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

I'm not watching a video... regardless, Thomas Sowell is just a biased opinion writer on the topic with an axe to grind against black people. Michelle Alexander is a better source.

Know who else is just a biased opinion writer? Josh Levs.

 

[disciple Clint]

Another rationalization for a predetermined conclusion that they deserved to be shot by police. Kinda goes to my previous point.

Show me where I suggested that they deserved to be shot, no one would have been shot if they had not had a gun and forced the officer to make what he was justified in believing was a shoot or die decision.

 

[disciple Clint]

See post #3. For some reason, instead of talking about it the discussion wandered to rap music.

Which provides no evidence at all for your point.