Noachian Flood discussion - Bible skeptics vs Lion IRC and friends :)

[Tinker Grey]

This is too deep for me.
There is a molybdenum grease, are you suggesting serial handwavers don't stick to the facts?

I'm suggesting that the answer to life, the universe, and everything is 42.

 

[VirOptimus]

I'm suggesting that the answer to life, the universe, and everything is 42.

And the question is?

 

[SelfSim]

And the question is?

Atomic number of Handwavium = Answer to life the universe & everything = Atomic number of molybdenum = 42.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

It doesn't matter. The whole business is bootless. Lion is making a "could have happened" argument, which is only effective against "could not have happened." But the scientific position is "did not happen." Speculations about how the Bible story could be true are useless.

I'm very well aware of this. What I'm getting at is that the OP says: "Please note that (in this thread) I'm only offering a defense of what the bible actually says about Noah and The Flood." Lion is not doing that, he is adding substantially to what the bible actually says.

 

[Kylie]

Thank you for demonstrating that you don't.

Then I'd suggest you haven't been clear about what you think.

 

[Kylie]

It's that potent, huh?

Quite the opposite, actually.

That's science's job.

So you admit that the Bible doesn't tell us anything about the way the universe works?

I see.

I doubt it.

 

[trophy33]

So you admit that the Bible doesn't tell us anything about the way the universe works?

It tells us how the universe works, but only from the viewpoint of human experience or from the viewpoint of theology, not scientifically.

And its frequently wrapped up in a mythological language.

More than enough to confuse all modern Biblians.

 

[Kylie]

It tells us how the universe works, but only from the viewpoint of human experience or from the viewpoint of theology, not scientifically.

And its frequently wrapped up in a mythological language.

More than enough to confuse all modern Biblians.

So how does it tell us how the universe works then?

 

[AV1611VET]

So you admit that the Bible doesn't tell us anything about the way the universe works?

Trying to use the Bible as a science textbook is like trying to use Bill Gate's diary as a computer manual.

 

[trophy33]

So how does it tell us how the universe works then?

From the theological perspective:
There is a conflict between order and chaos. God is binding the chaos and keeping the order so that we can live in the world, but chaos/snake/satan/waters/Leviathan is still waiting "outside" to destroy it. Therefore, we, humans, must take care of the creation and with the help of God protect it and make it bloom.

From the human viewpoint:
I am standing on a dry land, around it are seas/waters (sometimes used as a symbol of chaos), over my head are lights in the sky, moving in their ways. Water falls down from the sky. When people die, they transform to dust (so they are just dust) etc.

 

[Mr Laurier]

What? And 200 years you say? Oh well, how’d I miss that… guess it’s back to the drawing board, or back to discussing Schrodinger’s Cat with those other guys.

Father Nicolas Steno.
Reverend Adam Sedgwick.
Reverend William Buckland.
Lord Kelvin.

 

[MIDutch]

Did God miss a spot?

Yes. Approximately 196.9 million mi² of it.

 

[Mr Laurier]

Did God miss a spot?

Several spots. Several very large spots.

 

[MIDutch]

Trying to use the Bible as a science textbook is like trying to use Bill Gate's diary as a computer manual.

Which sort of contradicts your tag line - The Bible says it, that settles it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Which sort of contradicts your tag line - The Bible says it, that settles it.

How so? can you give me a specific example?

 

[trophy33]

Yes. Approximately 196.9 million mi² of it.

When did God miss it?

 

[MIDutch]

How so? can you give me a specific example?

Most everything you have ever posted here on the creation and evolution "debate" board.

 

[AV1611VET]

Most everything you have ever posted here on the creation and evolution "debate" board.

Please give me an example where I have used the Bible as a science textbook.

Do you consider this as one such example:

There are two types of science:

Science that opposes the Bible and science that doesn't oppose the Bible.

The science that opposes the Bible can take a hike.

You mentioned the Internet as an example.

Job 38:35 Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go, and say unto thee, Here we are?

The science behind the Internet does not oppose the Bible.

 

[MIDutch]

When did God miss it?

During the Noachian flood.

 

[MIDutch]

Please give me an example where I have used the Bible as a science textbook.

Do you, or do you not, believe that the Noachian flood was an actual event?