Noachian Flood discussion - Bible skeptics vs Lion IRC and friends :)

[Subduction Zone]

Sorry, I see it differently, and I believe some of these scientists do as well. At least they're out there looking at the possibility and not accepting academia hook, line and sinker.

I am sorry, but you are dead wrong. You did not understand the article that you linked. It does not support the Noah's Ark story. I am not sure if your article gave the flow rate, but there are others that do give the estimated flow rate. There is no scientific evidence for your beliefs and that is a fact.

You can prove it yourself:

What reasonable test based upon its own merits could refute a model of the Noah's Ark story?

 

[inquiring mind]

I am sorry, but you are dead wrong. You did not understand the article that you linked. It does not support the Noah's Ark story. I am not sure if your article gave the flow rate, but there are others that do give the estimated flow rate. There is no scientific evidence for your beliefs and that is a fact.

You can prove it yourself:

What reasonable test based upon its own merits could refute a model of the Noah's Ark story?

I understood the article; you don't understand. I don't think I said it was proof of the Flood; the article does. First, look at the title:

Evidence Noah's Biblical Flood Happened, Says Robert Ballard
Dr. Robert Ballard, an acclaimed underwater archaeologist, explains the evidence

Second, he makes this comment in a different regard, "The water from the melting glaciers began to rush toward the world's oceans, Ballard said, causing floods all around the world." Then he says, "The questions is, was there a mother of all floods," Ballard said.
He sure seems to be hinting at the possibility of Noah's Flood to me.

 

[Bradskii]

Also, are you assuming the Ark was just three dimensional?

What the..? I'm assuming that it didn't have a plasma drive either. Or a transporter room. But both of those would explain how it manouvered (no means of propulsion or steerage) and how we got our 'roos back down under.

 

[AV1611VET]

What the..? I'm assuming that it didn't have a plasma drive either. Or a transporter room. But both of those would explain how it manouvered (no means of propulsion or steerage) and how we got our 'roos back down under.

I'll assume that's a YES.

 

[inquiring mind]

lol. You do understand that its not the proletariat who are imposing the rule of billionaires on us... right?

Oh, forgot this. Yes, my point was (and I can't believe I'm having to explain this) that when the poor (and you evidently) eat the few billionaires... all that will be left for them to eat is the working class (common man).

 

[Speedwell]

I understood the article; you don't understand. I don't think I said it was proof of the Flood; the article does. First, look at the title:

Evidence Noah's Biblical Flood Happened, Says Robert Ballard
Dr. Robert Ballard, an acclaimed underwater archaeologist, explains the evidence

Second, he makes this comment in a different regard, "The water from the melting glaciers began to rush toward the world's oceans, Ballard said, causing floods all around the world." Then he says, "The questions is, was there a mother of all floods," Ballard said.
He sure seems to be hinting at the possibility of Noah's Flood to me.

He's "hinting" at widespread catastrophic flooding, a possibility which no one denies.

 

[Job 33:6]

Yea, well that's why we have things like measuring tapes and general physics and chemistry that we can use to confirm what we see (aka science).

I gave an example earlier in this thread of how genesis, if literally read, suggests that birds and fish were created on earth at the same time before land animals. But alternatively, physical reality suggests that fish began to exist before land animals and birds after land animals.

And someone could say, well how can we determine what belief is right or wrong beyond personal interpretation?

An answer is that we can literally take a tape measure, we can put that tape measure at the bottom of a stratigraphic column and we can observe fish in the deeper layers, land animals in middle layers, and then birds in higher layers.

And so really it falls back on a basic philosophical understanding that the paper on the bottom of a stack was placed down at an earlier point in time than a paper on the top of the same stack, which few people are really willing to deny.

And thus the fish at the bottom of the stack existed prior to land animals and further prior to birds.

The topic exists beyond our imaginations and is affirmed through direct observation of creation itself. Which is a first hand observation vs a second or third hand imagined perception.

Another response left in the dust, ignored.

 

[Job 33:6]

Noachian Flood discussion - Bible skeptics vs Lion IRC and friends :)

Noachian Flood discussion - Bible skeptics vs Lion IRC and friends :)

Noachian Flood discussion - Bible skeptics vs Lion IRC and friends :)

My three posts regarding how what we observe contradicts a literal interpretation of the book of genesis^.

And again and again and again.

 

[inquiring mind]

He's "hinting" at widespread catastrophic flooding, a possibility which no one denies.

And what's the title hinting at?

 

[AV1611VET]

Another response left in the dust, ignored.

Okay ... let's see:

An answer is that we can literally take a tape measure, we can put that tape measure at the bottom of a stratigraphic column and we can observe fish in the deeper layers, land animals in middle layers, and then birds in higher layers.

Let's say all life on earth suddenly dies within a moment of time.

Wouldn't you find fish at the bottom first? elephants on top of them? and then birds on top of the elephants?

 

[Speedwell]

And what's the title hinting at?

It's using "Noah's Flood" as a metaphor for a large prehistoric catastrophic flood. It is not "hinting" that anything Robert Ballard has discovered or proposed supports the idea that the earth was entirely covered with water in 2600 BC.

 

[Speedwell]

Okay ... let's see:Let's say all life on earth suddenly dies within a moment of time.

Wouldn't you find fish at the bottom first? elephants on top of them? and then birds on top of the elephants?

No.

 

[Bradskii]

I'll assume that's a YES.

I guess so. It needed some means of steerage. So why not a plasma drive. And it's over 12,000 kms from Mt. Ararat to Cairns so you'd need something like a transporter to get all our fauna back down here. Matthews 19:26 '...but with God, everything is possible'.

 

[AV1611VET]

No.

Hmmm ... I'm gonna disagree with your answer.

It's basic physics (viz., gravity).

 

[AV1611VET]

It needed some means of steerage.

Why? the Ark was built to float, not steer.

So why not a plasma drive.

Wouldn't that be an anachronism?

And it's over 12,000 kms from Mt. Ararat to Cairns so you'd need something like a transporter to get all our fauna back down here.

That is correct.

Matthews 19:26 '...but with God, everything is possible'.

Acts 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.

 

[Speedwell]

Hmmm ... I'm gonna disagree with your answer.

It's basic physics (viz., gravity).

I guess it works if the elephants were all swimming when they died

 

[AV1611VET]

I guess it works if the elephants were all swimming when they died

Which, I'm sure they would have been.

 

[inquiring mind]

It's using "Noah's Flood" as a metaphor for a large prehistoric catastrophic flood. It is not "hinting" that anything Robert Ballard has discovered or proposed supports the idea that the earth was entirely covered with water in 2600 BC.

Noah's Flood is a popular metaphor, ain't it?

 

[Speedwell]

Noah's Flood is a popular metaphor, ain't it?

It is an important part of our cultural heritage--just like the Garden of Eden.

 

[Bradskii]

Why? the Ark was built to float, not steer.Wouldn't that be an anachronism?That is correct.
Acts 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.

H: There's dry land over there.
N: Darn it, I knew we should have added some sails and a rudder.

And we need some way of getting 'roos back down under. If God simply moved them from A to B (or A to C actually) then that's effectively a transporter. You didn't expect them to hop all the way, did you?