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I think what you are saying is that it is important to keep certain ones of God's commandments. I think what the scriptures provided say is that it is important to keep all of God's commandments, or keep all of God's commandments in the same way.
No not saying that at all. I have only posted scripture from the new testament that specifically states that if we break anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin from Romans 7:7; James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4 because Gods' 10 commandments give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20. This of course would include Gods' 4th commandment which according to the scriptures is one of Gods' 10 commandments *Exodus 20:8-11.
My apologies for missing that! Yes, I think that breaking any one of God's commandments is sin.
That is ok Leaf. It is only a misunderstanding. So if you believe breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments is sin, do you keep God's 4th commandment according to the scriptures in Exodus 20:8-11?
No, it is not an excuse. However, those other laws would also give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken and righteousness when obeyed, would they not?
It depends what other laws you are referring to. According to James if we know that we should be doing something Gods' Word tells us to do and do not do it then it becomes sin to us. If we do not know any better in times of ignorance God winks at but when he gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word he calls us to believe and follow what His Word says (James 4:17; Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31).
Do you have a list of which laws you believe are still relevant today? And if you do have such a list, is it something that you can post here?
As posted earlier Gods' 10 commandments are our duty of love to God and man. There is also God's dietary laws and other laws listed from the old testament that could be applicable to God's people today. Most however of the old covenant laws however are "shadow laws for remission of sins (Levitical Priesthood, the earthly Sanctuary service, the laws of animal sacrifices and sin offerings, circumcision and Feast days etc) fulfilled in the body of Christ *Colossians 2:17. Gods 10 commandments however are the standard of good and evil; sin and righteousness according to the scriptures (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172). So everyone of God's 10 commandments are relevant for day according to Paul, John and James as well as Jesus in Matthew 22:36-40 as they are our duty of Love to God and our fellow man. Paul also expressing the same in Romans 13:8-10 and James in James 2:8-12 and John in 1 John 5:2-4.
I believe you were talking about how the Ten commandments are separated from the other laws. I agree with that. However, that is not the only separation in the law. There are other separations in the law.
What other separations are you talking about here. I have provided scriptures showing the separation of Gods' law (10 commandment) from the Mosiac laws written in the book of the law. Also discussed the shadow laws fulfilled in the new covenant promises *Hebrews 8:1-6. What other separations are there (scripture please)?
We both agree that there are more than 10 laws in the Old testament that we are to keep today. But as far as I can tell, the separations described in the scriptures do not fall along the lines of what are often called moral laws or ceremonial laws.
Even the Jews classify their Torah into categories that include ceremonial laws (Jewish Encyclopedia). Many of the old covenant Mosaic laws for example are ceremonial laws for remission of sins (Levitical Priesthood, the earthly Sanctuary service, the laws of animal sacrifices and sin offerings, circumcision and Feast days etc)
I disagree that we can divide the law into categories such as moral or ceremonial. And I disagree with the idea that we keep certain laws one way and other laws another way. But again, imo this will be easier to talk about when I know exactly which laws you believe are still applicable today.
You would have seen the Jewish classification for ceremonial laws linked in the previous section so we will not touch on that here. There are many divisions of law within the bible developed around scriptural contexts written within the bible itself. Other words the different laws within God’s Word are subject and topic specific in application. Some laws having moral implication of how to treat God and our fellow man, other laws can be specific to conditional direction for receiving God’s forgiveness for sin, while still others are laws for civil governance and still other laws may be for our health and hygiene or how to treat others and even animals. We will only touch on some of the biblical support for the moral, ceremonial laws for remission of sins, civil and health laws here as there is too many scriptures.
BIBLICAL SUPPORT FOR MORAL LAWS (duty of love towards God and man)
God’s law written and spoken by God on two tables of stone (Exodus 32:16; Exodus 20:1) Exodus 20:3; Exodus 20:4-6; Exodus 20:7; Exodus 20:8-11; Exodus 20:12; Exodus 20:13; Exodus 20:14; Exodus 20:15; Exodus 20:16; Exodus 20:17. Moral laws written and spoken by Moses in the book of the law or covenant (Exodus 24:7; Deuteronomy 30:19) Leviticus 19:32; Deuteronomy 10:20; Leviticus 19:16-18; Leviticus 19:1-37 (most of which are expounding on God’s 10 commandments; Exodus 23:5; Deuteronomy 22:4; Exodus 22:21; Deuteronomy 24:19-21; Deuteronomy 15:7-11; Deuteronomy 10:19; Exodus 22:20; Exodus 21:15-17; Deuteronomy 23:18; Exodus 21:10; Deuteronomy 22:19; Leviticus 18:1-30; Exodus 23:1-12; Leviticus 25:14; 37; etc etc…
BIBLICAL SUPPORT FOR CEREMONIAL MOSES (laws for remission of sins, Levitical Priesthood, Sanctuary laws and annual feast days)
Ceremonial laws in the bible (adjective meaning) are any laws that relate to ceremony, or external rite; ritual; according to the forms of established rites; as ceremonial exactness. It is particularly applied to the forms and rites of the Jewish religion; as the ceremonial law or worship, as distinguished from the moral and judicial law. The noun means outward form; external rite, or established forms or rites, including all the forms prescribed; a system of rules and ceremonies, enjoined by law. Hebrew definition is provided below has many meanings and it is context and application that determines the correct meaning in the scriptures...
Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong -
Ceremonies H4941 משׁפּט; mishpâṭ; From H8199; properly a verdict (favorable or unfavorable) pronounced judicially, especially a sentence or formal decree (human or (particularly) divine law, individual or collectively), including the act, the place, the suit, the crime, and the penalty; abstractly justice, including a particular right, or privilege (statutory or customary), or even a style: - + adversary, ceremony, charge, X crime, custom, desert, determination, discretion, disposing, due, fashion, form, to be judged, judgment, just (-ice, -ly), (manner of) law (-ful), manner, measure, (due) order, ordinance, right, sentence, usest, X worthy, + wrong.
Of course there are many meanings in both the Hebrew and Greek language and it is the context and application that determines their usage as shown in reference to Numbers 9.
Numbers 9:3 In the fourteenth day of this month, at even, you shall keep it in his appointed season: according to all the rites of it, and ACCORDING TO THE CEREMONIES THEREOF, shall you keep it.
In the scriptures ceremonial laws are mostly seen in the laws for remission of sins where external rites (also meaning ceremony) where practiced in the Levitical Priesthood and Sanctuary laws of atonement for sin and all the offerings given for remission of sins, thank offerings etc, as well as the annual Feast days of Leviticus 23 and these laws can also been seen in Numbers and Deuteronomy etc..
BIBLICAL SUPPORT FOR CEREMONIAL LAWS
Leviticus 1:1-17; Leviticus 2:1-16; Leviticus 3:1-17; Leviticus 4:1-35; Leviticus 5:1-19; Leviticus 6:1-30; Leviticus 7:1-38; Deuteronomy 16:16; Leviticus 23:4-44; Exodus 23:14-18; Leviticus 16:1-34; Leviticus 18:1-16; Leviticus 21:1-24; Leviticus 22:1-33; Leviticus 24:1-23; Exodus 25:1-40; Exodus 29:1-46; Exodus 21:18-19; Exodus 22:15-29; Deuteronomy 22:29; Deuteronomy 25:2-3; Deuteronomy 22:26; Deuteronomy 32:38; Exodus 22:27; Leviticus 19:26-31; Deuteronomy 18:11; Numbers 18:1-32; Number 19:1-22; Numbers 28:1-31; Numbers 29:1-40; Deuteronomy 12:1-32 etc etc…
We can go on and on here looking at different subcategories of law…
BIBLICAL SUPPORT FOR CIVIL LAWS OF THE NATION OF ISRAEL
Deuteronomy 16:18; Deuteronomy 1:17; Leviticus 25:14; Exodus 22:9-14; Deuteronomy 7:3; Numbers 5:30; Deuteronomy 24:1-4; Deuteronomy 25:5-9; Deuteronomy 14:22; Leviticus 25:37; Deuteronomy 23:20; Exodus 22:24; Deuteronomy 24:10-17; Leviticus 19:35; Deuteronomy 25:13-14; Leviticus 19:13; Deuteronomy 23:25-26; Exodus 21:2-8; Leviticus 25:39-53; Deuteronomy 15:13-14; Leviticus 25:46; Numbers 27:8-11; Exodus 21:33-36; Exodus 22:4-27; Exodus 23:1; Deuteronomy 24:16; Leviticus 25:23-29; Deuteronomy 19:14; Exodus 21:20; Leviticus 26:25; Leviticus 20:10-14; Deuteronomy 21:23; Numbers 35:25; Deuteronomy 19:3; Deuteronomy 16:1-22; Deuteronomy 17:1-20; Deuteronomy 19:1-21; Deuteronomy 20:1-20; Deuteronomy 21:1-23 etc etc...
BIBLICAL SUPPORT FOR THE LAWS OF HEALTH AND HYGIENE
Leviticus 11:1-47; Deuteronomy 14:3-21; Exodus 23:19; Genesis 32:33; Leviticus 7:23-26; Leviticus 17:13; Leviticus 19:26; Deuteronomy 21:20; Leviticus 12:1-8; Leviticus 13:1-59; Leviticus 14:1-57; Leviticus 15:1-33; Deuteronomy 14:1-29 etc etc..
We can keep on going but as you can see there are different categories of law based on their application and use. So based on the scriptures and Hebrew word meanings as provided here there is overwhelming evidence from the bible and Jewish tradition and classification that supports this view. What evidence do you have to support your view that there is no classification or divisions of law when the bible and the Jews show that there is classifications of laws in the bible? If you have seriously researched this topic I do not think you would claim this so I hope this post might be a helpful start for you.
Hope this is helpful
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