Chauvin Guilty

[Silverback]

Do you have personal knowledge or credible evidence that Chauvin is a crooked cop or are you just repeating the mantra of the biased left wing media. Perhaps you consider all law enforcement dirty cops.

Personally speaking, what transpired on video was enough to call him a dirty COP, even though I don't think Chauvin caused his death. Are all COP'S dirty...no, the majority are decent people with a difficult job. That being said, there are more than a few who will lie, and cover up for each other, plant evidence, steal property from the crime scene, and the list goes on.

Here in Florida, all you need to be a COP in most jurisdictions is a GED and no felony convictions...that needs to change as well.

 

[martymonster]

For all those that are saying that Chauvin deserves what he gets, let me just remind you of a little something that Christ said.

Mat 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

 

[Confused-by-christianity]

Is the US Govt going to have a good hard look at policing now?

Regroup from the ground up? Starting with philosophy of policing and law etc?

 

[Vanellus]

For all those that are saying that Chauvin deserves what he gets, let me just remind you of a little something that Christ said.

Mat 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

So all prisoners should be released then?

 

[Confused-by-christianity]

Peelian principles - Wikipedia

I'm reading about the Peelian Principles now...
The article says it is a "Policing by Consent" model. The Policing by consent model is;
1) Police are considered citizens with a uniform.
2) They have power to police their fellow citizens with the "implicit consent" of those fellow citizens.
3) Legitimacy of police comes from public support. Public support comes from transparency about powers, integrity in exercising powers and accountability.

Does the American police have this model?
The concept that the public consent to being policed? That this consent may be removed by the public is they deem it necessary?
Do they consider themselves fellow citizens with a job to do, or do they consider themselves a seperate branch of govt / state ?
Do they consider questions of legitimacy?

 

[wonderkins]

Is the US Govt going to have a good hard look at policing now?

Regroup from the ground up? Starting with philosophy of policing and law etc?

What would you change?

 

[Swag365]

It was the wrong verdict. The jury copped out from fear and reacted to all the insanity outside. Chauvin's knees on Floyd's neck and back could not have stopped him from breathing.
Wanting to see things for myself. I weighed myself 220 lbs, then knelt on the same scales with my toes on the floor just like Chauvin. Guess what only 166 lbs, that is 83 lbs per knee. Then I pressed up against a wall as close as I could, with my head turned to the side. I could easily pass my clinched fist between my neck and the wall. So what prevented Floyd from breathing? Certainly not the knee on his neck.
And I'm pretty sure one has to have air in their lungs to speak. If I can't breathe I can't talk.
So where did all this stuff come from? Remember the Michael Brown death, Ferguson Missouri. People running around holding up their hands yelling "Hands up, don't shoot." It never happened. Brown did NOT have his hands up and he was moving toward the officer when he was shot.
I read the grand jury findings one of the witnesses never saw what happened she was in a room away from the action and only repeated what her boyfriend told her. It was in the report.
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You think that he died from a drug overdose or an unknown act of God, and that it was merely a coincidence that a heavy man had his knee pressed on his neck for nine minutes?

That’s one heck of a coincidence don’t you think?

If Floyd was a 95 year old man with heart problems I suppose you would say that he died from natural causes because he was old and had a poor heart, and that the police officer’s conduct had nothing to do with his death?

It seems a bit silly to me for anyone to conclude that the police officer’s conduct was not a significant contributing factor in his death, as if he was certain to die anyway and it’s just a random coincidence that a police officer was sitting on his neck for 9 minutes.

 

[Danthemailman]

I see that Candace Owens was not happy with the Derek Chauvin verdict.

Candace Owens slams Democrats, media for 'mob justice' in Derek Chauvin trial

 

[SummerMadness]

I love the compassion for the imprisoned now that a murderer got his deserved outcome in trial. Chauvin was found guilty because he was guilty, but more importantly because the prosecution laid out an excellent case. If you watched the actual prosecution's case, it is obvious why the verdict was guilty. The video evidence, witness testimony, and expert testimony was stellar.

The defense did their best to come up with a reason, but the carbon monoxide from the tailpipe thing was crazy. Crazy because how thoroughly untrue the idea was, but they had to throw everything because there really is nothing that you can say to make a daytime murder on video in front of multiple people not a murder. All the deflection to BLM and antifa is a distraction from a tight case by the prosecution and obvious guilt.

 

[SummerMadness]

I see that Candace Owens was not happy with the Derek Chauvin verdict.

Candace Owens slams Democrats, media for 'mob justice' in Derek Chauvin trial

Gotta keep dancing for that bag.

 

[Ceallaigh]

Derek Chauvin showed no emotion when found guilty on all charges.

I heard both teams were told the verdicts earlier before the judge read them.

 

[Landon Caeli]

For all those that are saying that Chauvin deserves what he gets, let me just remind you of a little something that Christ said.

Mat 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

I was feeling sorry for Chauvin at first, thinking he just made a mistake... Then, I considered how Chauvin wasn't checking on Floyd, and how Floyd was already handcuffed, so wasn't much of a threat.

...Then I considered all the rules in prison, with certain toilettes for #1 and others for #2, and how important rules are that prisoners invent, and enforce upon each other... I think Chauvin will be fine in there, being right up his alley... He won't be bothered by prison as much as say a Libertarian like myself, he might actually not even mind it.

Also, If he thought prison was that bad, he would have never been a cop.

 

[Danthemailman]

I see that Alan Dershowitz was not happy with the verdict either.

Dershowitz to Newsmax TV: Chauvin Guilty Verdict Product of Jury Fear, Not Due Process

 

[Confused-by-christianity]

What would you change? Would the Bible influence any changes?

If I were in charge and given complete power to sort everything?

First - I'd do some personal work on myself.
1) Humble myself. Prepare myself to listen, learn and understand. So I'd have to make a conscious effort to forget everything I think I know about what's going on and get ready to start listening.
2) Prepare to serve. This refers to my intentions. I must make an effort to get my heart in the right place. Whatever I do, must be motivated by selfless service and it must be intended to benefit everyone, including future generations.

Once I was sure I had my heart in the right place, I could
1) Find out what's going on.
Probably have independent organisations from other nations come to america and carry out inquiries and investigations - then report their findings publicly. Several perspectives would be of interest, including a Philosophical and political one. I need to know the truth so I'd prefer independent foreign bodies, with no agenda or biases (as much as possible), researching and reporting.

2) Education
Try to educate Americans in the different forms of policing and justice. The different styles other nations embody in their systems - how they work, pros and cons, consequences. The basic theory underneath what American policing is supposed to be. Is American policing living up to it's own theory or departing from it. What are the consequences of the theory america chooses - positive and negative? (This is a sample of what a potential national education programme might look like ???)

3) Consensus
An educated public must give a coherent instruction to the govt regarding what style of policing theory they are willing to consent to. The public need to know what they are to expect from their chosen police service and the police service need to understand their duties to the public and also what authority the public bestows on them and what it does not.

The above is just a general overview of an idea of what could be done??

 

[Ceallaigh]

In my opinion what Chauvin did was extremely foolish, if not outright malicious. He decided to let himself be filmed pressing his knee on the neck of man saying he couldn't breathe, for nearly 10 minutes. That's just way too excessive. Then there's all the weeks of chaos and damage that resulted in the aftermath.

 

[Confused-by-christianity]

What would you change?

How about you?

 

[Landon Caeli]

In my opinion what Chauvin did was extremely foolish, if not outright malicious. He decided to let himself be filmed pressing his knee on the neck of man saying he couldn't breathe, for nearly 10 minutes. That's just way too excessive. Then there's all the weeks of chaos and damage that resulted in the aftermath.

I've worked with a lot of people like Chauvin in real life.. Hardened people... Prison is the kind of therapy that would be horrible for people like you and me, but is ideal for someone like him.

 

[Danthemailman]

Gotta keep dancing for that bag.

I don't always agree with everything that Candace Owens has to say. From watching the video, things do not look good for Derek Chauvin at all, so I'm not surprised by a guilty verdict.

 

[Danthemailman]

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[Pavel Mosko]

It was the wrong verdict. The jury copped out from fear and reacted to all the insanity outside. Chauvin's knees on Floyd's neck and back could not have stopped him from breathing.
Wanting to see things for myself. I weighed myself 220 lbs, then knelt on the same scales with my toes on the floor just like Chauvin. Guess what only 166 lbs, that is 83 lbs per knee. Then I pressed up against a wall as close as I could, with my head turned to the side. I could easily pass my clinched fist between my neck and the wall. So what prevented Floyd from breathing? Certainly not the knee on his neck.
And I'm pretty sure one has to have air in their lungs to speak. If I can't breathe I can't talk.
So where did all this stuff come from? Remember the Michael Brown death, Ferguson Missouri. People running around holding up their hands yelling "Hands up, don't shoot." It never happened. Brown did NOT have his hands up and he was moving toward the officer when he was shot.
I read the grand jury findings one of the witnesses never saw what happened she was in a room away from the action and only repeated what her boyfriend told her. It was in the report.
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Yes I was watching Tim Pool videos lots. The defense did a much better job than was widely reported in the press there should have been reasonable doubt on some of those charges. But meanwhile you got the jury being threatened enough where it was on the verge of a mistrial, even by the report of the Judge who should have sequestered the jury weeks or months ago. So this is as much mob justice as actual justice.