Use of Johnson & Johnson COVID Vaccine is Paused

[alertandawake]

With vaccines let each individual decide what they want to do. I will not pressure people in any way.

Me personally I will never get them no matter the argument put forth. I do my own research and come to my own conclusion.

But to those who are for vaccines, think about these questions.

Can the one recommending or administering the vaccine:

1. can said person "guarantee" the one receiving the shot will not have any side effects?

2. can said person "guarantee" the one receiving the shot will not die?

3. who will be held fully responsible and accountable should the person experience side effects or dies?

 

[expos4ever]

Me personally I will never get them no matter the argument put forth. I do my own research and come to my own conclusion.

Are you a trained expert, duly qualified, and with the time available, to evaluate all the evidence for and against the wisdom of vaccination?

But to those who are for vaccines, think about these questions.

Can the one recommending or administering the vaccine:

1. can said person "guarantee" the one receiving the shot will not have any side effects?

Of course there will be side effects. My question for you is this: have you considered the likelihood and effects of you getting Covid without getting the vaccine?

2. can said person "guarantee" the one receiving the shot will not die?

Of course not. My question for you: almost 600,000 Americans are dead from Covid in the past 13 months. How many are dead from the vaccine? Do I need more than my fingers to count the number?

 

[Derek1234]

With vaccines let each individual decide what they want to do. I will not pressure people in any way.

Me personally I will never get them no matter the argument put forth. I do my own research and come to my own conclusion.

But to those who are for vaccines, think about these questions.

Can the one recommending or administering the vaccine:

1. can said person "guarantee" the one receiving the shot will not have any side effects?

2. can said person "guarantee" the one receiving the shot will not die?

3. who will be held fully responsible and accountable should the person experience side effects or dies?

No. If this is your logic, you should refuse all medical treatment. You should refuse potentially life-saving surgery, because statistically, you might die mid-operation, or you might suffer an unexpected medical outcome. No surgeon would ever agree to operate on you if this were your standard. As to who will be held accountable: that depends on whether a vaccine producer has been recklessly negligent. If the vaccines available have been tested, reviewed, and approved by your national regulator, that is as good as it is going to get right now. As expo4ever says, there are costs to not having the vaccine - costs to you personally (potentially), and costs to those with whom you come into contact, if you're an asymptomatic carrier. I urge you to reconsider.

 

[alertandawake]

Of course there will be side effects. My question for you is this: have you considered the likelihood and effects of you getting Covid without getting the vaccine?

But why should I risk serious side effects? Why should I risk my life to these vaccines? I don't know what is fully inside the vaccines? I don't know what all the ingredients are? Am I suppose to have blind faith and just believe automatically? Now I have to make a decision, and for me I will not get. I have to research to the best I can and seek the best answers I can.

I have also come across articles that people have gotten covid after getting the vaccine? This makes no sense to me.

If the vaccines available have been tested, reviewed, and approved by your national regulator, that is as good as it is going to get right now.

If they have been tested and reviewed then why are we hearing people having issues with these vaccines ranging from serious side effects to death? I don't understand this? Why is this happening? Am I suppose to put my trust into something like this?

As expo4ever says, there are costs to not having the vaccine - costs to you personally (potentially), and costs to those with whom you come into contact, if you're an asymptomatic carrier. I urge you to reconsider.

Like what costs? And why should I reconsider? Am I supposed to blindly believe?

For each their own. But to the people who are for it, if you want to take the jab to be part of society then by all means.

By the way how many people are aware that these vaccine manufacturers have protection from liability?

 

[Taodeching]

But why should I risk serious side effects? Why should I risk my life to these vaccines? I don't know what is fully inside the vaccines? I don't know what all the ingredients are? Am I suppose to have blind faith and just believe automatically? Now I have to make a decision, and for me I will not get.

Why should you risk anything then? Don't walk outside because there can be very serious side effects. Next time you go to the dentist don't let him work on your mouth or give you a local, because you are risking serious side, next time you need a procedure or operation don't do it because your risking serious side effects. Next you go shopping for food or anything don't! Because your risking very serious side effects! Next time you turn on a light switch or plug something in don't! Because your risking very serious side effects!

You see everything, and I mean everything we do comes with very serious side effects but we do things without thinking about that all the time. You could go very a drive and get hit ad end up paralyzed for life, that just one of a hundred serious side effects from driving.

If they have been tested and reviewed then why are we hearing people having issues with these vaccines ranging from serious side effects to death?

All things have the some side effects regardless if they been tested for years or not. Tons of people die from shots that have years of testing like the flu shot and others. People also have very serious side effects form things that have been tested for years. Being tested for years doesn't stop any of that, it just give in many cases a false sense of security.

When you need a life saving procedure and you need a shot, do you question the serious side effects and death that happened to tons of other people because of the shot? No. You want the shot. When you sick and keep anything down and the doctor wants to give you a shot to settle your stomach, do you question the serious side effects and death that happened to others? No, you want the shot. When you go to the dentist and he needs to fill a cavity or extract a tooth. He needs to numb the area, do you question the serious side effects and death that happened to others? No, you want the shot because pain is not fun.

You step on a rusty nail and you have to go to he hospital. There they give you a tetanus shot, do you question the serious side effects and death that happened to others? No, you want the shot because you don't want to get sick and die.

This shot is the same thing a preventive so you will not die

I have also come across articles that people have gotten covid after getting the vaccine? This makes no sense to me.

Your right and they never said you wouldn't get covid, what the shot does do just like the flu shout and any other preventive shot is make sure that you don't die and became rather sick but that the sickness is not that bad. More like a cold than life and death situation.

ILike what costs? And why should I reconsider? Am I supposed to blindly believe?

You blindly believe that the lights will come on when you flip a switch. You blindly believe that a numb shot will numb the pain, you blindly believe that when you try to start your car that it will, you believe blindly that the preventive tetanus shot would help you. You believed blindly in faith with no evidence immediately.

The cost is just like typhoid Mary you could be a carrier and not know, getting countless people sick leading to their eventual death. This stuff is not like a cold or flu you can actually have covid not know it and spread it to others and they could get very sick and/or die, that is the cost.

 

[Hammster]

Why should you risk anything then? Don't walk outside because there can be very serious side effects. Next time you go to the dentist don't let him work on your mouth or give you a local, because you are risking serious side, next time you need a procedure or operation don't do it because your risking serious side effects. Next you go shopping for food or anything don't! Because your risking very serious side effects! Next time you turn on a light switch or plug something in don't! Because your risking very serious side effects!

You see everything, and I mean everything we do comes with very serious side effects but we do things without thinking about that all the time. You could go very a drive and get hit ad end up paralyzed for life, that just one of a hundred serious side effects from driving.




All things have the some side effects regardless if they been tested for years or not. Tons of people die from shots that have years of testing like the flu shot and others. People also have very serious side effects form things that have been tested for years. Being tested for years doesn't stop any of that, it just give in many cases a false sense of security.

When you need a life saving procedure and you need a shot, do you question the serious side effects and death that happened to tons of other people because of the shot? No. You want the shot. When you sick and keep anything down and the doctor wants to give you a shot to settle your stomach, do you question the serious side effects and death that happened to others? No, you want the shot. When you go to the dentist and he needs to fill a cavity or extract a tooth. He needs to numb the area, do you question the serious side effects and death that happened to others? No, you want the shot because pain is not fun.

You step on a rusty nail and you have to go to he hospital. There they give you a tetanus shot, do you question the serious side effects and death that happened to others? No, you want the shot because you don't want to get sick and die.

This shot is the same thing a preventive so you will not die



Your right and they never said you wouldn't get covid, what the shot does do just like the flu shout and any other preventive shot is make sure that you don't die and became rather sick but that the sickness is not that bad. More like a cold than life and death situation.



You blindly believe that the lights will come on when you flip a switch. You blindly believe that a numb shot will numb the pain, you blindly believe that when you try to start your car that it will, you believe blindly that the preventive tetanus shot would help you. You believed blindly in faith with no evidence immediately.

The cost is just like typhoid Mary you could be a carrier and not know, getting countless people sick leading to their eventual death. This stuff is not like a cold or flu you can actually have covid not know it and spread it to others and they could get very sick and/or die, that is the cost.

If risk shouldn’t be an issue, then there’s no need to get the so-called vaccine.

 

[Taodeching]

If risk shouldn’t be an issue, then there’s no need to get the so-called vaccine.

Yet you risk things all the time. By that logic you should crawl under your bed and never come out. The truth is there is absolutely nothing in this life that has no risk yet risk is no issue then.

Medicine is taken everyday to help with some problem like diabetes , asthma, and other problems yet there are risk there but they are not an issue to the people that take them. If someone thinks risk is that bad then they need to stop life because everything has risk

 

[Hammster]

Yet you risk things all the time. By that logic you should crawl under your bed and never come out. The truth is there is absolutely nothing in this life that has no risk yet risk is no issue then.

Medicine is taken everyday to help with some problem like diabetes , asthma, and other problems yet there are risk there but they are not an issue to the people that take them. If someone thinks risk is that bad then they need to stop life because everything has risk

Is not getting the “vaccine” a risk?

 

[alertandawake]

Your right and they never said you wouldn't get covid, what the shot does do just like the flu shout and any other preventive shot is make sure that you don't die and became rather sick but that the sickness is not that bad. More like a cold than life and death situation.

From the articles I have come across, people have died from covid 19 vaccines.

So how are these vaccines safe? I cannot work that out. Something else I cannot work out is why are these vaccines (regardless who makes them) still on the market when there have been serious issues.

See this is something that I cannot work out, something that is being promoted safe and effective but at the same time we hear reports of clots and deaths (not being brand specific here just referring to covid 19 vaccines in general)

As I said before, to each their own. I people want to have the vaccine they have free will, they can choose to have it.

 

[expos4ever]

....for me I will not get.

For me.

Sounds familiar.

Do you not understand that you can transmit this illness to others - somebody's grandmother or grandfather?

 

[expos4ever]

For each their own.

Again, with the me-centered approach?

 

[expos4ever]

From the articles I have come across, people have died from covid 19 vaccines.

So how are these vaccines safe? I cannot work that out.

Is flying safe? Well, by any reasonable standard, it most certainly is. And yet, rarely, people do die in airplane crashes.

No one ever said there was zero risk with vaccines. And to say that vaccines are "safe" does not entail a claim of zero risk.

 

[Hammster]

For me.

Sounds familiar.

Do you not understand that you can transmit this illness to others - somebody's grandmother or grandfather?

I hear taking risks is okay.

 

[alertandawake]

Again, with the me-centered approach?

I don't understand this comment? What does this mean? I have the right to make my own decisions, this is free will.

I have made a decision not to get it, and that is my choice. And I know many people feel the same.

If people want to take the vaccine that is their choice. I won't stop them. That is free will. But there are also many who will not take.

 

[expos4ever]

I don't understand this comment? What does this mean?

I was simply pointing out that the vaccine decision should not be based only on what is best for each of us as individuals - we need to look out for the welfare of others.

And when we take the focus off ourselves, and consider the dire consequences of Covid to the elderly and those with other problems - not to mention healthy people - the case for vaccination gets even stronger.

 

[alertandawake]

Who is going to argue that this is scary? They do not know what they are doing yet with this vaccine and I do not think people should be pressuring others when there is reason for concern.

What you say is spot on. People should not be pressured into getting something if they are concerned.

It has been over a year and social distancing and mask wearing has worked fine for me up until now. Why subject myself to blood clots just so that others will feel better about their choice to get vaccinated? I don't see the benefit of that. If one of those blood clots gets to your heart and you die, these people still won't say your death was from the vaccine.

Spot on. This is how I feel. Well said.

I think the problems with the vaccines are being covered up, and it is much bigger than this 6 people being reported.

And for the record, conspiracy theories are just crimes with tons of evidence and proof committed by people who no one can seem to bring to justice.

I have often wondered this myself. There is too much going on in the world today. Thing is, today, it is not what we are told that concerns me, it is what we are not being told that concerns me.

 

[Hammster]

I was simply pointing out that the vaccine decision should not be based only on what is best for each of us as individuals - we need to look out for the welfare of others.

And when we take the focus off ourselves, and consider the dire consequences of Covid to the elderly and those with other problems - not to mention healthy people - the case for vaccination gets even stronger.

Say again?

71 in St. Louis County test positive for COVID-19 after full vaccination

 

[Jaxxi]

What you say is spot on. People should not be pressured into getting something if they are concerned.



Spot on. This is how I feel. Well said.



I have often wondered this myself. There is too much going on in the world today. Thing is, today, it is not what we are told that concerns me, it is what we are not being told that concerns me.

Absolutely and there is plenty of it. I have signed my fair share of disclaimers for various things, and nowadays there is a disclaimer for everything. I also have a hard time with free things from the government. Uncle Sam does not send us birthday cards and Christmas gifts. Since when does he care about our health? There is something else going on with those vaccines we just dont know what it is yet. Maybe it is a spiritual element. Maybe it affects our brains to comply. Or maybe it makes us belittle and harass people who haven't gotten the vaccine . Time will tell, but I don't think I have ever seen such harassment from strangers for something that is optional in all my life. I am not for abortion at all but I would fight for someone having the right to decide for themselves. To me it is about the Civil rights. I am against Satanism but I would fight for someone having the right to practice their religion as they see fit. See what I mean? The minute you take away their right you are taking away mine and I don't stand for that. And I will be darned if strangers are going to pressure me and infringe on my civil rights. Not in America.

 

[expos4ever]

One of the many egregious errors of reasoning we see from the anti-vaxxers are stories of breakthrough cases - people who get covid even though fully vaccinated.

Let's see how that same reasoning plays out:

Man dies because of defective parachute.

Well, I guess the next time I jump out a plane, no parachute......

 

[alertandawake]

There is something else going on with those vaccines we just dont know what it is yet. Maybe it is a spiritual element. Maybe it affects our brains to comply. Or maybe it makes us belittle and harass people who haven't gotten the vaccine . Time will tell, but I don't think I have ever seen such harassment from strangers for something that is optional in all my life.

Exactly. You have made very good points including harassment from strangers over something that is optional. I cannot understand why this is so.

In all my years, I have never seen anything like this on a mass scale to get people vaccinated and so quickly. Why is this so?

On such a scale, and with all the amount of material I have been noticing to promote and encourage people to get vaccines, to me it translates into this "submit". Don't ask questions, just simply "submit".

And if one does ask questions, chances are they won't get a accurate answer or possibly some kind of deceptive answer that doesn't really answer the question asked.