Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?

[Nathan@work]

@LoveGodsWord did such a great job going over the details but the summary included simplifies it some. I'm not sure I could explain it any better, but if it doesn't answer your question, let me know. God bless


SUMMARY: God's rest is the "seventh day Sabbath" of creation. Our rest is that of believing and following Gods' Word. No one enters into God's rest (defined in Hebrews as the "seventh day Sabbath") unless they believe and follow Gods' Word (the gospel rest). Of course God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) are a part of God's Word (the gospel) that God's people who enter into Gods rest believe and follow in Gods' Word just like Jesus did and the Apostles and prophets in Gods' Word. Everything provided here are not my words but have been taken directly from the scriptures which are God's Words not mine . The warnings here are very clear. Those who do not believe and follow God's Word in order to continue in a life of known unrepentant sin (breaking anyone of God's commandments - James 2:10-11) just like those in the wilderness do not enter into Gods' rest (seventh day Sabbath) and will be in danger of the judgement to come (Hebrews 10:26-31)

So what I am hearing is that you believe we work for the rest that He gives us?

Seems contradictory to work and rest at the same time.

The command was to work for six days, then no work the seventh - not work for six days, then do more work on the seventh.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So what I am hearing is that you believe we work for the rest that He gives us?

Seems contradictory to work and rest at the same time.

The command was to work for six days, then no work the seventh - not work for six days, then do more work on the seventh.

Hi Nathan,

Thanks for the questions. Here is the scripture for your refence:

Hebrews 4: 11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.


If you look at Ezekiel 20:20 hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.’

This is God telling to keep His Sabbath (4th commandment-hallow- make holy) and the very next verse says:

Ezekiel 20:21 “Notwithstanding, the children rebelled against Me; they did not walk in My statutes, and were not careful to observe My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; but they profaned My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them and fulfill My anger against them in the wilderness.

So we are supposed hallow God's Sabbath and because they were profaning God's Sabbath, they did not enter into His rest in Hebrews which was written to Hebrews and example to all of us.

I hope this helps.

God bless

 

[SabbathBlessings]

When Jesus says it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath, does he mean good work?

Jesus said we are allowed to do good on the Sabbath and used this as an example:

Luke 14:5 Then He answered them, saying, “Which of you, having a donkey or an ox that has fallen into a pit, will not immediately pull him out on the Sabbath day?”

An example of this today would be if your neighbor was in a car accident and only you are around to help- it is lawful to good on the Sabbath day you should take them to the ER or help them. You are not putting your own self-interest first on Sabbath, but are helping others in emergency situations. What this does not mean if your neighbor needs help building a fence on Saturday and asks you to help, this is considered work and can wait Sun-Friday(day). If their fence blew down and helping them get it back up is a matter of life or death due to a storm coming, that is a different story.

The moral of the story is God wants us to use our common sense. God is reasonable, and Sabbath should not be like the Pharisees were making it, into legalism, more concerned with what others were doing or not doing, that is not the Spirit of God's Sabbath. It's the day to spend with God, but sometimes emergencies come up that have to be handled on Sabbath so Jesus told us we are allowed to do good. I hope this helps. God bless.

 

[pescador]

Hi Nathan,

Thanks for the questions. Here is the scripture for your refence:

Hebrews 4: 11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.


If you look at Ezekiel 20:20 hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.’

This is God telling to keep His Sabbath (4th commandment-hallow- make holy) and the very next verse says:

Ezekiel 20:21 “Notwithstanding, the children rebelled against Me; they did not walk in My statutes, and were not careful to observe My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; but they profaned My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them and fulfill My anger against them in the wilderness.

So we are supposed hallow God's Sabbath and because they were profaning God's Sabbath, they did not enter into His rest in Hebrews which was written to Hebrews and example to all of us.

I hope this helps.

God bless

I didn't know that SDAs were under the law. Ezekiel wasn't writing to Christians.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I didn't know that SDAs were under the law. Ezekiel wasn't writing to Christians.

God's laws are written in our hearts and minds in the New Covenant, not just SDA's. We obey God's laws not to be saved, but because of our faith and He asked us to be obedient and we do so because of our changed heart and our love for Him. His laws didn't go away, they have different promises now.

 

[Leaf473]

Yes, Jesus said we are allowed to do good on the Sabbath and used this as an example:

Luke 14:5 Then He answered them, saying, “Which of you, having a donkey or an ox that has fallen into a pit, will not immediately pull him out on the Sabbath day?”

An example of this today would be if your neighbor was in a car accident and only you are around to help- it is lawful to good on the Sabbath day you should take them to the ER or help them. You are not putting your own self-interest first on Sabbath, but are helping others in emergency situations. What this does not mean if your neighbor needs help building a fence on Saturday and asks you to help, this is considered work and can wait Sun-Friday(day). If their fence blew down and helping them get it back up is a matter of life or death due to a storm coming, that is a different story.

The moral of the story is God wants us to use our common sense. God is reasonable, and Sabbath should not be like the Pharisees were making it, into legalism, more concerned with what others were doing or not doing, that is not the Spirit of God's Sabbath. It's the day to spend with God, but sometimes emergencies come up that have to be handled on Sabbath so Jesus told us we are allowed to do good. I hope this helps. God bless.

Hi imge,

I think the commandments says no work.

If the commandment says no work allowed, and Jesus says certain kinds of work allowed, it looks to me like he is modifying the commandment.

Does he have the authority to do that?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Hi imge,

I think the commandments says no work.

If the commandment says no work allowed, and Jesus says certain kinds of work allowed, it looks to me like he is modifying the commandment.

Does he have the authority to do that?

The commandment says to Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Exodus 20:8 which includes resting from our work and labor Exodus 20:9-11. Jesus defined this by saying we can do "good" on Sabbath, that is not defined as work. Your questions seems similar to what the Pharisees asked. :/

 

[Leaf473]

God's laws are written in our hearts and minds in the New Covenant, not just SDA's. We obey God's laws not to be saved, but because of our faith and He asked us to be obedient and we do so because of our changed heart and our love for Him. His laws didn't go away, they have different promises now.

Hi again, imge

I ask myself, if the Sabbath commandment is written on the hearts of Christians, why do so few Christians seem aware of it?

Is this large majority of Christians, including myself, willfully disobedient?

It doesn't seem to fit with my experience of interacting with other Christians and walking with God.

Can you see my conundrum?

 

[Leaf473]

The commandment says to Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Exodus 20:8 which includes resting from our work and labor Exodus 20:9-11. Jesus defined this by saying we can do "good" on Sabbath, that is not defined as work. Your questions seems similar to what the Pharisees asked. :/

Well, here's the commandment from the KJV

Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Thou shalt not do any work on the Sabbath.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Well, here's the commandment from the KJV

Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Thou shalt not do any work on the Sabbath.

You left out the very first verse. Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, this is the commandment, the latter expands on what it means.

Jesus said we are allowed to do good on Sabbath, you are not arguing with me you are arguing with Jesus. Helping people in need if it happens to be on a Sabbath day is not considered work, its doing good. Leaving someone to die or leave your ox in a ditch on Sabbath is cruel and not what the Sabbath is about. I hope this help.

 

[Leaf473]

You left out the very first verse. Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, this is the commandment, the latter expands on what it means.

Jesus said we are allowed to do good on Sabbath, you are not arguing with me you are arguing with Jesus. Helping people in need if it happens to be on a Sabbath day is not considered work, its doing good. Leaving someone to die or leave your ox in a ditch on Sabbath is cruel and not what the Sabbath is about. I hope this help.

To my question
"When Jesus says it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath, does he mean good work?"


You answered
"Yes, Jesus said we are allowed to do good on the Sabbath and used this as an example:"

I took that to mean that Yes, Jesus meant that it is lawful to do good work on the Sabbath.


But then it sounds like it is not considered work in your reply here
"Helping people in need if it happens to be on a Sabbath day is not considered work..."

Is it work or not? I'm not trying to trip you up here, or get you mixed up with words. How should we talk about what Jesus is doing? Is he clarifying the commandment? Modifying it? Changing it?

Is he seeing hidden meanings in it that other people weren't able to see?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Hi again, imge

I ask myself, if the Sabbath commandment is written on the hearts of Christians, why do so few Christians seem aware of it?

Is this large majority of Christians, including myself, willfully disobedient?

It doesn't seem to fit with my experience of interacting with other Christians and walking with God.

Can you see my conundrum?

The Sabbath is not new and is as old a creation Genesis 2:2-3.

The corporate day of worship was changed centuries ago, so many people follow it blindly despite clear scripture given to us that God's Sabbath day is on the seventh day and it cannot be changed. We are judged on our knowledge. I think a lot of people go to church because of the social aspect, or the music, or because friends or family attend, than submitting themselves to God to do His will. A lot of people really have no idea that God's Sabbath is not Sunday as they don't read the Bible except a few scriptures here or there. I think some people go to church because of what they think the church can do for them, some prosperity churches come to mind. Also, there are many who know God's Sabbath is the seventh day, but look for any loophole or excuse to not follow. You cannot fool God though, He knows our every thought. None of this is what the Bible teaches. But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. Mathew 6:33

The scriptures reference the wide path vs the narrow path. I used to believe that wasn't the case all you have to do is love God and believe, but the scriptures teach us there is so much more than this.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

To my question
"When Jesus says it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath, does he mean good work?"


You answered
"Yes, Jesus said we are allowed to do good on the Sabbath and used this as an example:"

I took that to mean that Yes, Jesus meant that it is lawful to do good work on the Sabbath.


But then it sounds like it is not considered work in your reply here
"Helping people in need if it happens to be on a Sabbath day is not considered work..."

Is it work or not? I'm not trying to trip you up here, or get you mixed up with words. How should we talk about what Jesus is doing? Is he clarifying the commandment? Modifying it? Changing it?

Is he seeing hidden meanings in it that other people weren't able to see?

He is clarifying the commandment, not changing it. Doing "good" is not considered "work".

Where did I say yes? I think you added it, my quote did not say "yes".

 

[Leaf473]

The Sabbath is not new and is as old a creation Genesis 2:2-3.

The corporate day of worship was changed centuries ago, so many people follow it blindly despite clear scripture given to us that God's Sabbath day is on the seventh day and it cannot be changed. We are judged on our knowledge. I think a lot of people go to church because of the social aspect, or the music, or because friends or family attend, than submitting themselves to God to do His will. A lot of people really have no idea that God's Sabbath is not Sunday as they don't read the Bible except a few scriptures here or there. I think some people go to church because of what they think the church can do for them, some prosperity churches come to mind. Also, there are many who know God's Sabbath is the seventh day, but look for any loophole or excuse to not follow. You cannot fool God though, He knows our every thought. None of this is what the Bible teaches. But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. Mathew 6:33

The scriptures reference the wide path vs the narrow path. I used to believe that wasn't the case all you have to do is love God and believe, but the scriptures teach us there is so much more than this.

The people that are blindly following the church tradition regarding Sunday worship, are they not aware of what is written in their hearts?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You answered
"Yes, Jesus said we are allowed to do good on the Sabbath and used this as an example:"

You left out the very first verse. Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, this is the commandment, the latter expands on what it means.

Jesus said we are allowed to do good on Sabbath, you are not arguing with me you are arguing with Jesus. Helping people in need if it happens to be on a Sabbath day is not considered work, its doing good. Leaving someone to die or leave your ox in a ditch on Sabbath is cruel and not what the Sabbath is about. I hope this help.

This was my quote you added "yes".

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The people that are blindly following the church tradition regarding Sunday worship, are they not aware of what is written in their hearts?

Apparently not. It's not the hearers of the Word, but the doers.

But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. James 1:22

 

[Leaf473]

He is clarifying the commandment, not changing it. Doing "good" is not considered "work".

Where did I say yes? I think you added it, my quote did not say "yes".

Thanks for explaining!

I think we both agree that Jesus had the authority to clarify the commandment.

Did his apostles have the authority to do the same thing after Jesus ascended into heaven?
That might seem like an obvious question, but believe it or not, I have run into people who believed that James had said something contrary to what Jesus said. So they had to go with what Jesus said, was their approach.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Thanks for explaining!

I think we both agree that Jesus had the authority to clarify the commandment.

Did his apostles have the authority to do the same thing after Jesus ascended into heaven?
That might seem like an obvious question, but believe it or not, I have run into people who believed that James had said something contrary to what Jesus said. So they had to go with what Jesus said, was their approach.

No, changing God's day of worship from the seventh day, that cannot be changed is much different than Jesus clarifying to the doubting Pharisees how to keep Sabbath and what is lawful on Sabbath. Those are monumental differences. The apostles never changed God's Sabbath either, that was all done way after the New Testament was written. If they did have the authority to change it there would have been scripture in the NT, but there is none.

There is no scripture authority that changed God's Sabbath from the seventh day to the first day. This is a tradition of man that Jesus warned us about. Scripture given multiple times but I can add it again if needed when I have more time.

 

[Leaf473]

This was my quote you added "yes".

I don't believe I added anything, I was looking at your post #1763

Yes, Jesus said we are allowed to do good on the Sabbath and used this as an example:

Luke 14:5 Then He answered them, saying, “Which of you, having a donkey or an ox that has fallen into a pit, will not immediately pull him out on the Sabbath day?”

An example of this today would be if your neighbor was in a car accident and only you are around to help- it is lawful to good on the Sabbath day you should take them to the ER or help them. You are not putting your own self-interest first on Sabbath, but are helping others in emergency situations. What this does not mean if your neighbor needs help building a fence on Saturday and asks you to help, this is considered work and can wait Sun-Friday(day). If their fence blew down and helping them get it back up is a matter of life or death due to a storm coming, that is a different story.

The moral of the story is God wants us to use our common sense. God is reasonable, and Sabbath should not be like the Pharisees were making it, into legalism, more concerned with what others were doing or not doing, that is not the Spirit of God's Sabbath. It's the day to spend with God, but sometimes emergencies come up that have to be handled on Sabbath so Jesus told us we are allowed to do good. I hope this helps. God bless.

 

[Leaf473]

Apparently not. It's not the hearers of the Word, but the doers.

But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. James 1:22

If people can have something written in their hearts and not be aware of it, what is the purpose of writing something in their hearts?

That seems like a strange situation to me.
If something is written in your heart, I think you would know it.
Doesn't it seem that way to you, too?