The Death and True Resurrection of Jesus.

[HARK!]

Jesus in the tomb for three days and two nights.

(CLV) Mt 12:40
For even as Jonah was in the bowel of the sea monster three days and three nights, thus will the Son of Mankind be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.

Do you see a math problem?

 

[HARK!]

So your position is that you do not know. So why are you arguing with me then? I have presented a logical argument in this thread about 50 ties it seems...go read it

I know what the scripture that I presented says.

Do you have a link to your argument? I'm not interested in a snipe hunt.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I know what the scripture that I presented says.
Do you have a link to your argument? I'm not interested in a snipe hunt.

You do, do you? So when Yeshua says He would destroy the temple and rebuild it in 3 days, do you take that literally? Like the Perushim He was talking to...just as He said 3 days and 3 nights (not 3 nights and 3 days)? The 2 eyewitnesses on the road to Emmaus said that day was the 3rd day since the events occurred...it was on the 1st day of the week, the same day the women went to the tomb. So Sunday is the 3rd day, the Sabbath was the 2nd and Friday was the day the events occurred. A Wednesday crucifixion is impossible...

 

[HARK!]

You certainly do diminish what Jesus said you blow off 16 verses.

I did no such thing.

 

[HARK!]

You do, do you? So when Yeshua says He would destroy the temple and rebuild it in 3 days, do you take that literally? Like the Perushim He was talking to...just as He said 3 days and 3 nights (not 3 nights and 3 days)?

I asked for a link. Why are you changing the subject?

The 2 eyewitnesses on the road to Emmaus said that day was the 3rd day since the events occurred

I've already been on one snipe hunt over this assertion.

I posted this in response when you presented this passage before:

I read that chapter twice. I didn't see a reference to the day. Can you post the specific verse in that chapter which names the day?

Either you missed it, or you ignored it.

If you are unable to present a logical argument, with verifiable facts to support that argument; then we will just have to agree to disagree.

I'll just take Yahshua at his word.

(CLV) Mt 12:40
For even as Jonah was in the bowel of the sea monster three days and three nights, thus will the Son of Mankind be in the heart of the earth three days and (και) three nights.

 

[Der Alte]

The 1st and 7th of the Feast Unleavened bread is still a Holy day to the Lord. Just as the weekly Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week is a Holy day to the Lord. They all Holy Days unto the Lord, in Leviticus 23rd chapter. Just because if doesn't have Sabbath by that Feast doesn't mean that it's not a High Holy Sabbath day. You can play that game if you want, I'm out of that...lol. * * *

LOL all you want. There is no point in continuing after this.
If God had wanted 1st and 7th ULB to be called and observed as Sabbaths it would be clearly stated in scripture. Neither day is called a Sabbath anywhere in either treatment.
The fact that preparing and cooking food is specifically on 1/7 ULB separates them from the Sabbaths.
You are interjecting your assumptions/presuppositions t make scripture seems to support them.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I asked for a link. Why are you changing the subject?
I've already been on one snipe hunt over this assertion.

I posted this in response when you presented this passage before:

Either you missed it, or you ignored it.

If you are unable to present a logical argument, with verifiable facts to support that argument; then we will just have to agree to disagree.

I'll just take Yahshua at his word.

(CLV) Mt 12:40
For even as Jonah was in the bowel of the sea monster three days and three nights, thus will the Son of Mankind be in the heart of the earth three days and (και) three nights.

What link? I never said anything about any link. I gave you the info, if you need to ignore scripture because it does not help your argument, I guess that is what you need to do! It plainly says the women went to the tomb early on the 1st day of the week (and I really do not care about your incorrect translation) and it was on that day, the 1st day of the week (Sunday) that was the 3rd day since the events of the trial, crucifixion and burial occurred. I can't help you if you use bad translation and believe them...

So when Yeshua says He would destroy the temple and rebuild it in 3 days, do you take that literally? Like the Perushim He was talking to? Do you need a sign like the evil and adulterous generation He was speaking to? He sighed and said that...

 

[HARK!]

What link?

The link that I asked you for. The link to the logical argument, that you have purported to have presented.

Evidence please.

I never said anything about any link.

I'm more than well aware of that. You have not presented a logical argument to me; nor have you provided a link to the relevant argument that you have purported to have made to another member.

More evidence please.

I gave you the info,

You gave me a bare assertion in absence of scripture to support that assertion

if you need to ignore scripture because it does not help your argument, I guess that is what you need to do!

I'm still waiting for you to present the scripture to support your assertion. "Go read it," doesn't cut it. That's why I asked for a link.

It plainly says the women went to the tomb early on the 1st day of the week (and I really do not care about your incorrect translation) and it was on that day, the 1st day of the week (Sunday) that was the 3rd day since the events of the trial, crucifixion and burial occurred. I can't help you if you use bad translation and believe them...

This has been covered ad nauseam.

(CLV) Lk 24:1
Now in the early depths of one of the sabbaths, they, and certain others together with them, came onto the tomb, bringing the spices which they make ready.

(CLV) Jn 20:1
Now, on one of the sabbaths, Miriam Magdalene is coming to the tomb in the morning, there being still darkness, and is observing the stone taken away from the door of the tomb.

One = μια mia

Protos means first

Of the = των tOn

Sabbaths = σαββατων sabbatOn

Sabbaton plural, not day singular. The word "day" does not even exist in these verses.

Argumentum ad populum doesn't cut it.

Do you have anything else?

 

[klutedavid]

On which days and nights, by your estimation, was he in the earth?

(CLV) Mt 12:40
For even as Jonah was in the bowel of the sea monster three days and three nights, thus will the Son of Mankind be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.

Jesus rose on that third day. So Jesus cannot have been in the tomb for the full three days and three nights anyway. That is simple and straightforward.

You have locked onto the verse in Matthew which is obviously an idiom.

In every single gospel, if you read each resurrection account by itself. They all just mention the preparation day, the sabbath day, and then the first day. It is impossible to get a five day, death and resurrection account, without massaging the text.

Any gospel account you select has only ever the three day account. I cannot believe that you are serious when you add two more days.

 

[HARK!]

In every single gospel, if you read each resurrection account by itself. They all just mention the preparation day

Proof?

 

[HARK!]

So Jesus cannot have been in the tomb for the full three days and three nights anyway.

I'll just take Yahshua at his word. Thanks anyway.

 

[klutedavid]

(CLV) Mt 12:40
For even as Jonah was in the bowel of the sea monster three days and three nights, thus will the Son of Mankind be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.

Do you see a math problem?

Most certainly a mathematical problem. Jesus can't rise after three days and three nights because that is a fourth day resurrection.

You have Jesus in the tomb for three full days and three full nights. Then you say Jesus rose on the third day. Do you see the contradiction?

 

[klutedavid]

I'll just take Yahshua at his word. Thanks anyway.

Your taking Matthew's gospel or more succinctly, a mere verse in Matthew's gospel. As the word of Yashua in that case.

 

[HARK!]

Most certainly a mathematical problem. Jesus can't rise after three days and three nights because that is a fourth day resurrection.

You have Jesus in the tomb for three full days and three full nights. Then you say Jesus rose on the third day. Do you see the contradiction?

2 =/= 3.

I presented a possible explanation in post# 495.

How do you reconcile your math?

 

[HARK!]

Your taking Matthew's gospel or more succinctly, a mere verse in Matthew's gospel. As the word of Yashua in that case.

I choose not to diminish my Messiah's words.

 

[klutedavid]

Proof?

Read each account on it's own.

Here read Luke's account.

Luke 23:54-56, Luke 24:1
It was the preparation day, and the Sabbath was about to begin. Now the women who had come with Him out of Galilee followed, and saw the tomb and how His body was laid. Then they returned and prepared spices and perfumes. And on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment. But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.

Your five day version of the death and resurrection is not based on Luke's gospel.

 

[klutedavid]

2 =/= 3.

I presented a possible explanation in post# 495.

How do you reconcile your math?

The verse in Matthew is an idiom.

I choose not to diminish my Messiah's words.

Are you accusing me of diminishing the words of Jesus?

 

[klutedavid]

I'll just take Yahshua at his word. Thanks anyway.

Your directly implying that I do not take Jesus at His word!

 

[klutedavid]

2 =/= 3.

I presented a possible explanation in post# 495.

How do you reconcile your math?

Here is what you said in post #495.

This is the perfect day to have this discussion.

It's the first day of the week.

If I say that I will see you today; then I will see you on the first day of the week.

If I say that I will see you tomorrow; then I will see you on the second day of the week.

If I say that I will see you in two days; then I will see you on the 3rd day of the week.

If I say that I will see you in 3 days; then I will see you on the fourth day of the week.

I have many Jewish friends who I have made plans with over the course of many decades. We've never had a problem with communication in this respect.

Now the onus is on you to come up with a credible, verifiable, source to support your claim.

What you really need is one of the gospel accounts to list the five days.

Just one account that has Jesus rising on the Sabbath.

One account in Exodus or Leviticus that calls the first day of unleavened bread a sabbath.

You need evidence and not inference.

 

[HARK!]

Read each account on it's own.

Here read Luke's account.

Luke 23:54-56, Luke 24:1
It was the preparation day, and the Sabbath was about to begin. Now the women who had come with Him out of Galilee followed, and saw the tomb and how His body was laid. Then they returned and prepared spices and perfumes. And on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment. But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.

Your five day version of the death and resurrection is not based on Luke's gospel.

You said all of them. There are 4 Gospels. 4-1=3.

This is not proof of your assertion.