Is the Seventh Day Adventist Church orthodox

[LoveGodsWord]

Because over half the population are women, and some people handle livestock. And most people wear clothes.

Well none of those things have anything to do to me and I obey them. Now lets talk about the laws that are applicable to all people. Are God's 10 commandments moral laws of our duty of love to God and our fellow man?

 

[tall73]

Well none of those things have anything to do to me and I obey them. Now lets talk about the laws that are applicable to all people. Are God's 10 commandments moral laws of our duty of love to God and our fellow man?

Well, maybe not to you, but I do wear clothes.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ Now what we need to consider here is that under the old covenant all of God's laws and commandments are moral right doing but in the new covenant we know many laws are fulfilled and continued in the body of Christ (Colossians 2:17) based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6. So for example under the new covenant today is it moral right doing or moral wrong doing for us when we sin to go out and seek a Levitical Priest and offer animal sacrifices? Of course not because to do so would be to deny the very Christ to who these "shadow laws" pointed to and are fulfilled and continued in.
Your response

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I noticed you quoted from my linked post in regarded to moral law and covenant application but did not respond to anything in it. Does this make sense for you now?

 

[tall73]

Well none of those things have anything to do to me and I obey them. Now lets talk about the laws that are applicable to all people. Are God's 10 commandments moral laws of our duty of love to God and our fellow man?

How about this one?

Leviticus 19:27 You shall not shave around the sides of your head, nor shall you disfigure the edges of your beard.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Well, maybe not to you, but I do wear clothes.

Fine if you know that you should not wear clothes with wool and linen then what do you think James 4:7 means? I noticed you did not answer my question again. I will not be answering your question anymore as I have done so in good faith while you ignore mine to you. Are God's 10 commandments moral laws of our duty of love to God and our fellow man?

 

[tall73]

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ Now what we need to consider here is that under the old covenant all of God's laws and commandments are moral right doing but in the new covenant we know many laws are fulfilled and continued in the body of Christ (Colossians 2:17) based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6. So for example under the new covenant today is it moral right doing or moral wrong doing for us when we sin to go out and seek a Levitical Priest and offer animal sacrifices? Of course not because to do so would be to deny the very Christ to who these "shadow laws" pointed to and are fulfilled and continued in.
Your response

I noticed you quoted from my linked post in regarded to moral law and covenant application but did not respond to anything in it. Does this make sense for you now?

No, and apparently not for you either, because you are not able to answer about any of these various laws I have posted.

 

[tall73]

Fine if you know that you should not wear clothes with wool and linen then what do you think James 4:7 means?

I am not sure of the connection. I don't think I own anything with linen.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

No, and apparently not for you either, because you are not able to answer about any of these various laws I have posted.

Not really, I told you I do not wear wool and linen clothes, I am not a women giving childbirth or do I own and farm of livestock. I asked you more than once now are God's 10 commandments moral laws of our duty of love to God and our fellow man? If you cannot answer my questions as I do for you I think it is time our discussion has come to and end if your not willing to participate in the discussion.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I am not sure of the connection. I don't think I own anything with linen.

What does the scripture say?

 

[tall73]

Not really, I told you I do not wear wool and linen clothes, I am not a women giving childbirth or do I own and farm of livestock.

If your system only applies to you, how does that help? There are women, there are people who handle livestock.

 

[tall73]

Not really, I told you I do not wear wool and linen clothes, I am not a women giving childbirth or do I own and farm of livestock. I asked you more than once now are God's 10 commandments moral laws of our duty of love to God and our fellow man? I can understand why you refuse to answer so it seems our conversation has come to and end if your not willing to have a discussion.

It seems you are not willing to answer either about how you determine what is a moral law. I have asked about several. You refuse to answer.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

If your system only applies to you, how does that help? There are women, there are people who handle livestock.

I do not think the topic of discussion is relevant to our conversation. It seems to me your trying to avoid at all cost discussion and application to Gods' 10 commandments as our duty of love to God and our fellow man and it's relationship to the Sabbath of God's 4th commandment. Which is fine if you do not want to discuss these things. I think it is time for our discussion to come to an end.

 

[tall73]

I do not think the topic of discussion is relevant to our conversation. It seems to me your trying to avoid at all cost discussion and application to Gods' 10 commandments as our duty of love to God and our fellow man and it's relationship to the Sabbath of God's 4th commandment. Which is fine if you do not want to discuss these things. I think it is time for our discussion to come to an end.

Of course it is related. If you feel we must keep moral law, it matters what is moral law.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

It seems you are not willing to answer either about how you determine what is a moral law. I have asked about several. You refuse to answer.

No I have answered you and your questions it is you who refuses to answer mine. I have asked you more than once now are God's 10 commandments moral laws of our duty of love to God and our fellow man? You refusal to discuss this topic is telling enough and already answers my question. I guess so we do not really have anything more to talk about do we?

 

[tall73]

No I have answered you and your questions it is you who refuses to answer mine. I have asked you more than once now are God's 10 commandments moral laws of our duty of love to God and our fellow man? You refusal to discuss this topic is telling enough and already answers my question. I guess so we do not really have anything more to talk about do we?

But you didn't answer about pregnant women uncleanness as distinguished from food uncleanness.

You didn't state about livestock.

The whole point of the conversation was how we determine moral law. Maybe you don't have a way to determine it in your system?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

No, and apparently not for you either, because you are not able to answer about any of these various laws I have posted.

Not really. Your answer was already addressed in the very post you were quoting from in regards to application within the covenants. No one has ever said there are not other laws in the old testament that have application for today. This is an argument no one is making.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

But you didn't answer about pregnant women uncleanness as distinguished from food uncleanness.

You didn't state about livestock.

The whole point of the conversation was how we determine moral law. Maybe you don't have a way to determine it in your system?

Sure I did. Perhaps it was not the answer you wanted to here. I have already posted on moral law from the start. It is moral right doing under covenant application.

 

[tall73]

Not really. Your answer was already addressed in the very post you were quoting from in regards to application within the covenants. No one has ever said there are not other laws in the old testament.

No, it was not answered. You cannot say you answered why one type of uncleanness is health, and the other is not. Nor did you say why the one is in place, but you can't say on the other.

 

[tall73]

Sure I did. Perhaps it was not the answer you wanted to here. I have already posted in moral law from the start. It is moral right doing under covenant application.

Great, so what does that mean for women's uncleanness after having a child?

What does that mean for mixing livestock?

What does that mean for disfiguring your beard?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

No, it was not answered. You cannot say you answered why one type of uncleanness is health, and the other is not. Nor did you say why the one is in place, but you can't say on the other.

Well we will have to agree to disagree. You were indeed answered and shown that these laws are to do with health and hygiene and therefore moral laws of right doing that govern health and hygiene.