Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?

[LoveGodsWord]

If you include the other commandments then you stand a great chance of being arrested for slaughtering animals for sacrifice, among others.

Hi pescador, these "shadow laws" for remission of sins are now fulfilled and continued in the body of Christ (Colossians 2:17) in the new covenant based on better promises (Hebrews 8:1-5); Jesus is now God's sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all *John 1:29; 36; Hebrews 10:10.

God bless

 

[Nathan@work]

Try reading the scriptures in the post you are quoting from. What is it that you do not believe and the scriptures that were shared with you showing that Gods' law gives us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and righteousness when obeyed *Psalms 119:172? Adam and Eve ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. What do you think that gave them the knowledge of?

They knew about good and evil. It does not state they were able to distinguish between them.

Do you believe God changed His mind and wanted the to eat of that tree?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

They knew about good and evil. It does not state they were able to distinguish between them.

Do you believe God changed His mind and wanted the to eat of that tree?

So you agree by eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil Adam and Eve received the knowledge of good and evil. What is it that you do not believe and the scriptures that were shared with you earlier showing that Gods' law gives us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing) and what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and righteousness when obeyed *Psalms 119:172? Your question is not relevant as Adam and Eve already ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil which is why we have today in God's 10 commandments as shown in the scriptures shared with you.

 

[Nathan@work]

And I have no idea why anyone might presume that the human perspective in this case was not inspired, influenced, and motivated by God's perspective. That, in fact, is what our faith is all about. Do you think that God still commands circumcision?

Not at all.

I do believe that it was pointing to what He would do through Christ. Just as I believe all His covenant pointed toward - from the very first one He made.

 

[Nathan@work]

So you agree by eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil Adam and Eve received the knowledge of good and evil. What is it that you do not believe and the scriptures that were shared with you earlier showing that Gods' law gives us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing) and what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and righteousness when obeyed *Psalms 119:172? Your question is not relevant as Adam and Eve already ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil which is why we have today in God's 10 commandments as shown in the scriptures shared with you.

I do not agree they received the continual knowledge, only that they were, at that time, aware of it.

God put them out of the Garden so they no longer had access to it. Nor the tree of life.

If you cannot eat from something, continually, you cannot receive it’s benefit.

Do you think that feeding on Christs flesh, and drinking His blood is a once and done thing?

Do you think God wants us to have the knowledge of good and evil now?

 

[fhansen]

Not at all.

I do believe that it was pointing to what He would do through Christ. Just as I believe all His covenant pointed toward - from the very first one He made.

Ok. And does the New Covenant continue to uphold God's laws? I'm not being argumentative here-I don't know everyone's positions as I haven't been following the thread.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I do not agree they received the continual knowledge, only that they were, at that time, aware of it.

God put them out of the Garden so they no longer had access to it. Nor the tree of life.

If you cannot eat from something, continually, you cannot receive it’s benefit.

Do you think that feeding on Christs flesh, and drinking His blood is a once and done thing?

Do you think God wants us to have the knowledge of good and evil now?

I am sorry we will agree to disagree. Let's talk more when you can tell me what it is that you do not believe in the scriptures that were shared with you showing that Gods' law gives us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and righteousness when obeyed *Psalms 119:172 in the new covenant.

 

[Nathan@work]

Ok. And does the New Covenant continue to uphold God's laws? I'm not being argumentative here-I don't know everyone's positions as I haven't been following the thread.

No worries.

Yes, the New covenant does uphold Gods laws.

They are kept perfect in Christ. Those in Christ keep His laws perfectly.

The difference in thoughts on this thread, as I have understood it, is whether man upholds the law or God does through Christ.

 

[Nathan@work]

I am sorry we will agree to disagree. Let's talk more when you can tell me what is it that you do not believe and the scriptures that were shared with you showing that Gods' law gives us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and righteousness when obeyed *Psalms 119:172 in the new covenant.

I will never agree to disagree.

If you do not want to answer my questions just say you do not. Do not try to put the blame on me.

Gods law makes it known, to those who will receive it, that only God knows what is perfect - He alone knows the what is good and what is evil.

Mankind simple thinks He can know.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

No worries.

Yes, the New covenant does uphold Gods laws.

They are kept perfect in Christ. Those in Christ keep His laws perfectly.

The difference in thoughts on this thread, as I have understood it, is whether man upholds the law or God does through Christ.

I do not think anyone is arguing here that we have any strength in or outside of God to keep God's commandments by ourselves. It is only in God as we walk in His Spirit that God enables us to walk on water. They that be whole need not a a physician but those that are sick. Jesus has not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance. Do you know what this means?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I will never agree to disagree.

If you do not want to answer my questions just say you do not. Do not try to put the blame on me.

Gods law makes it known, to those who will receive it, that only God knows what is perfect - He alone knows the what is good and what is evil.

Mankind simple thinks He can know.

The answers to your questions dear friend are in the scriptures from very post you are quoting from. What do you think they mean?

 

[fhansen]

No worries.

Yes, the New covenant does uphold Gods laws.

They are kept perfect in Christ. Those in Christ keep His laws perfectly.

The difference in thoughts on this thread, as I have understood it, is whether man upholds the law or God does through Christ.

I think the main difference is in whether or not man must uphold the law through Christ, or if Christ, alone, upholds the law and it doesn't matter one way or the other what we do, as long as we believe in Him and what He's done.

For myself, God upholds the law through and because of Christ as He upholds it in me, or else it really isn't being upheld at all. IOW, He expects and wants more for and from us than to be strictly forgiven sinners only. And He enables us now to do just that.

 

[Nathan@work]

I do not think anyone is arguing here that we have any strength in or outside of God to keep God's commandments by ourselves. It is only in God as we walk in His Spirit that God enables us to walk on water. They that be whole need not a a physician but those that are sick. Jesus has not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance. Do you know what this means?

I know exactly what it means.

It means those who think they are righteous do not want to see their filthy rags.

It means there are people who think they are rich, that they have prospered, and they lack nothing.

All the while knowing they are poor, blind, and naked.

It also means there are those who know their state and understand they are nothing and know nothing.

Which crowd are you in? Do you believe you know what God did not want us to know, or do you understand your nothing before God and cannot do anything good?

 

[Nathan@work]

The answers to your questions dear friend are in the scriptures from very post you are quoting from. What do you think they mean?

My question is not for me, it is for you.

Your refusal is forth telling.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I know exactly what it means.

It means those who think they are righteous do not want to see their filthy rags.

It means there are people who think they are rich, that they have prospered, and they lack nothing.

All the while knowing they are poor, blind, and naked.

It also means there are those who know their state and understand they are nothing and know nothing.

Which crowd are you in? Do you believe you know what God did not want us to know, or do you understand your nothing before God and cannot do anything good?

No need to be unfriendly dear friend, I asked you what you think the meaning of Matthew 9:12-13 is for a reason. So how do we know we are sinners in need of God's salvation? *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Galatians 3:22-25?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

My question is not for me, it is for you. Your refusal is forth telling.

As posted earlier your question was already answered in the scriptures shared with you earlier. It seems you did not like the answer? If not why not?

 

[Nathan@work]

I think the main difference is in whether or not man must uphold the law through Christ, or if Christ, alone, upholds the law and it doesn't matter one way or the other what we do, as long as we believe in Him and what He's done.

For myself, God upholds the law through and because of Christ as He upholds it in me, or else it really isn't being upheld at all. IOW, He expects and wants more for and from us than to be strictly forgiven sinners only. And He enables us now to do just that.

Serious question here. Do you think God made a mistake by putting man in a place where he could disobey Him?

Do you think God did not know what would happen?

If God knew what would happen by giving us free will, when He created us perfect to begin with, why all of a sudden do you think He expects something different now?

Could it be, all of this, is to teach us something about Him? Why do we always make it about us?

 

[Nathan@work]

No need to be unfriendly dear friend I asked you what you think the meaning of Matthew 9:12-13 is for a reason. So how do we know we are sinners in need of God's salvation? *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Galatians 3:22-25?

I know I am a imperfect because I know He is perfect - and I am not like Him.

How do you know?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I know I am a imperfect because I know He is perfect - and I am not like Him. How do you know?

I gave you the answers to the question your asking now in the scriptures in the post you are responding from. What do you think they mean?

 

[Nathan@work]

As posted earlier your question was already answered in the scriptures shared with you earlier. It seems you did not like the answer? If not why not?

No, it was not answered. You want to say it is, but it was not.

How do I know? Because I ask you a question and you choose to avoid it by asking me a question.

I’ll ask again, does God want us to have the knowledge of good and evil - when His very first commandment was not to eat from that tree?

Has God changed His mind?