The Death and True Resurrection of Jesus.

[ViaCrucis]

Can't change the required 3 days AND 3 nights per the prophecy. No cheating!

Can't change that God is literally a brick and mortar castle, Psalm 18:2. And if you quote other Scriptures, I'll just tell you that you're ignoring Psalm 18:2. Because I will continue to insist on my flawed understanding of Psalm 18:2 because I refuse to admit even the possibility that I could be in error. Because I'm always right and everyone else is always wrong.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

Not false. Coupled with the requirement of Jesus' body in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights further reveals that "high day" was not the regular weekly sabbath.

It was the day of preparation when Jesus was crucified and buried. They took Jesus' body down off the cross and buried Him in the tomb because the following day, the Sabbath day--the weekly Sabbath--was a high day. It was a high day because this Sabbath corresponded with Passover.

That's what the Bible says.

And no amount of mangling of texts is going to get you around this. You can mangle, distort, contort the Scriptures, and you can engage in all manner of mental gymnastics that you want. But at the end of the day the Bible says what it says, and you can't change it.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Davy]

Tell you what, show a credible scholarly source that can trace the etymology of this Anglo-Saxon word back to a Semitic origin.

I'm sure, given your great confidence on this matter, that you must be quite familiar with this material and so it should not be any difficulty actually supporting your claim with some form of evidence.

-CryptoLutheran

Astarte

 

[Davy]

It was the day of preparation when Jesus was crucified and buried. They took Jesus' body down off the cross and buried Him in the tomb because the following day, the Sabbath day--the weekly Sabbath--was a high day. It was a high day because this Sabbath corresponded with Passover.

That's what the Bible says.

And no amount of mangling of texts is going to get you around this. You can mangle, distort, contort the Scriptures, and you can engage in all manner of mental gymnastics that you want. But at the end of the day the Bible says what it says, and you can't change it.

-CryptoLutheran

Can't change the literal 3 days and 3 nights Jesus prophesied His body would be in the tomb. No cheating!

 

[ViaCrucis]

Astarte

Lol. Okay let's try this again.

Can you provide a credible scholarly source to back up your claim.

If I wanted crank new age wackadoodle sources I would have asked for those instead.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

Can't change the literal 3 days and 3 nights Jesus prophesied His body would be in the tomb. No cheating!

So you believe that the Evangelists were lying?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[prodromos]

Christ's prophecy that His body would be in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights is literal

It is a figure of speech, an example of synecdoche, otherwise you make Christ's statement that He would rise ON THE THIRD DAY a lie.

 

[klutedavid]

I believe what Jesus says (Matthew 12:38) Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. This is very clear to me.

So are you saying that Jesus did not rise on the third day? Since He was in the tomb during the entire third day and third night.

 

[prodromos]

Astarte

So to summarize...
in the far East 'she' is known as Astarte, then in Greece became known as Aphrodite, then moving further West to Rome, became known as Venus, then moving North West to the Germanic kingdoms, becomes known as Eostre.

Astarte -> Aphrodite -> Venus -> Eostre

Yes! You can clearly see the linguistic, etymological links between the names showing the gradual change moving West over the centuries. It is so obvious, I don't know why people can't see this

In case you missed the (obvious) sarcasm, the article you linked actually proves that the Easter = Astarte argument is complete bunk.

 

[klutedavid]

That's reverse logic against the Scripture which does not work. And it's strange that you think what you said even 'sounds' right, when it is not.

Lord Jesus said His body would be in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights, and that has to be a literal 3 days and 3 nights for His prophecy to be true. You cannot change that timing.

So go ahead, count from Friday evening to Sunday morning and see if that's 3 days and 3 nights. You will find it is not.

We know for a fact that Jesus rose on the third day. Jesus cannot have risen after that third day. To even hint that Jesus rose after the third day is a direct contradiction of what Paul declared below.

1 Corinthians 15:4
And that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures.

Matthew 20:19
And will hand Him over to the Gentiles to mock and scourge and crucify Him, and on the third day He will be raised up.

I can only assume that you are proclaiming a fourth day resurrection.

You cannot hold a literal three full days and nights and then declare a third day resurrection.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

That "high day" was not the regular weekly sabbath. With the feast of Passover, the first day was to be a high day, and no servile work was to be done.

The 15th was a Sabbath that year..."that (weekly) Sabbath was a high day"...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Not false. Coupled with the requirement of Jesus' body in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights further reveals that "high day" was not the regular weekly sabbath.

False...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Can't change the required 3 days AND 3 nights per the prophecy. No cheating!

But you are! LOL

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

That "high day" was not the regular weekly sabbath. With the feast of Passover, the first day was to be a high day, and no servile work was to be done.

You are ignoring what I wrote that proves you wrong...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Christ's prophecy that His body would be in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights is literal, and specific to the Hebrew reckoning for a day (sunset to sunset), not by today's reckoning for a day (midnight to midnight).

So prove that Christ's body was in the tomb for a literal... 3 days and 3 nights. And it MUST fit the Biblical reckoning for a day (sunset to sunset).

I don't need to...you are ignoring scripture and the testimony of eyewitnesses on the road to Emmaus.

 

[truefiction1]

Remember Mary did not come to the Grave site until the first day of the week which is Sunday. (John 20:1) "The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulcher", And it was early in the morning and it was still dark. But Jesus had already risen. So even here Jesus was gone before Easter Sunday Morning.

The Lord’s days begin and end at evening (sunset). (Gen. 1:5) And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first. All biblical days began and ended at sunset.

Jesus went into His grave right before the end of the Passover or Wed. evening. The passing of the Passover brought in the Feast of the Unleavened Bread. So Jesus would Have been in the Grave Wednesday night, Thursday daytime and Thursday night, Friday daytime, Friday night, Saturday daytime and Jesus rose right before the sun went down on Saturday. Hence one has the 3 days and 3 nights which Jesus prophesied.

His death Wednesday night is consistent with the comment of the prophet Daniel, stating the Messiah would be cut off (killed) in the midst of the week. Daniel 9:26-27 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week (Wednesday is the middle of the week) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, (Remember, Jesus is the sacrificial Passover Lamb).



I find this part interesting. God is still in the business of working through people. And yet I tell you the truth and you believe me not. An atheist can see this clearly then people who say that believe in Christ. Out of Jesus own mouth he says he would be in the grave for three days and three nights as the prophet Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly (Matthew 12:38-40). Even when Jesus rose it was not Sunday Morning according to the verses in (St. John 20:1-4). There are many things that are being done contrary to the word of God, people must know this. I post a three or four page lesson and most people don't go back to the beginning and read it all. They just skim through the thread.

Any part of the 24 hr day, beginning with Saturday evening, equals the whole day, whether it was still dark in the morning or not, and so it's of no importance. If you knew anything about Orthodox Christian Pascha, you would know that we are in Church celebrating it with Divine Liturgy just after midnight following Holy Saturday and beginning Sunday, when it is still dark outside and we are feasting usually before 3 AM on things we have not eaten for over 40 days and nights preceding Holy Week. For us it is the 3rd day, and "Christ is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death". It is a feast that is prepared for by prayer and fasting and meditation upon Holy Scripture and the lives of the saints, beginning almost 60 days in advance. Evil pagans who don't know Christ do not do such things. Only those who are taught by Christ and strive to keep His commandments do such things. There is nothing contrary to the righteousness of God within Orthodox Christian doctrine and practice, and so we cannot be affected by any nonsensical claims of worshipping falsely.

 

[truefiction1]

Can't change the required 3 days AND 3 nights per the prophecy. No cheating!

It's not necessary for us to change the required 3 days And 3 nights per the prophecy, Davy, because Christ's people didn't count days and nights using the same method and mindset that you're using. But this has already been pointed out and demonstrated using the Scriptures themselves. We're not cheating, were merely using the same method that Christ used for counting 3 days and 3 nights, as opposed to the method that you are attempting to foist upon others, which is an incorrect method.

 

[prodromos]

This is from 19th Christian scholar E.W. Bullinger:

So according to Bullinger, the women who were devoted to Christ, waited from Wednesday night until Sunday morning to annoint Jesus body, when they had all of Friday available to arrange access to His tomb? Do you find that to be at all credible?
Bullinger states with supreme confidence that "3 days and 3 nights" cannot be idiom, yet he makes no attempt to explain how Christ was therefore lying whe He stated multiple times that He would rise "on the 3rd day". Since Christ does not lie, this fact alone proves his denial of the idiom is in error.

 

[Albion]

Some claim the last supper was not the Passover,
but the bible clearly says "the night he was betrayed",
He ate the Passover with his disciples.

Christ had his Apostles plan for a Passover meal, but the details of the Last Supper don't suggest that it was, in reality, a Passover meal.

Note: No lamb, a single cup passed, and of course Our Lord described the meaning differently from that associated with a Passover meal. And then, in addition, he commanded his Apostles to continue to observe IT in the future rather than the customary Passover meal.

 

[Eloy Craft]

If Some event happens from noon till the next noon the Jewish people at the time of Christ would've called that two days even though it was a 24 hour period. @Bro.T have you researched what the author intended the reader to understand?