God took David's child's life - a contradicion in the Bible?

[Mark Quayle]

The reason God made us in the first place and set us on this messed up earth.

God’s Love would compel God to make being who could become like He is for the sake of those being who will become like He is (in that they will have this unbelievable huge gift of Godly type Love).

Ok, so basically the same thing I say, except I say it is primarily to his Glory and his own satisfaction --therefore for his sake, ours being secondary. Well, that, and different because you decorate it with pretty flowers. (i.e 'Nicer' things to focus on, lol, sorry). You come at it from a different focus.

For us to do anything beneficial for others we have to have Godly type Love (1 cor. 13:1-4)

If we Love Him we will obey Him.

Of course, though to have Godly type love is HIM in us doing it. This is not of ourselves. You seem to keep thinking we mature in Christ by growing in integrity to the point we can do it without him!

OK, I thought you would felt everything brings glory to God including evil, satan, sin and people in hell.

Can that which displeases God bring glory to God and if it brings God glory why does it displease God?

Why would it matter what we do, if everything we do brings glory to God?

If everyone is glorifying God why do they not all go to heaven?

I thought I had answered this rather plainly before, but I guess not. You sound a bit like the Atheist mockers who ignore that God has a sovereign, 'hidden', will (i.e.-his plan) and his revealed will (i.e. -his command). Obedience to his command brings him glory. Cooperation with and Opposition to his Sovereign will both bring him glory, though maybe not directly, but rather by displaying (sooner or later) his justice, wisdom, patience, love, power, righteousness and so on.

So: We don't all go to heaven because we aren't all regenerated, and regenerated according God's choice. It matters what we do because the people he made for his Dwelling Place are being 'built' even as we speak. What displeases God does so because it is done against his command. It is sin. Sin displeases God. But because of sin, he is shown glorious, not to mention that his prime objective could never have been achieved.

You may as well ask if disobeying God's command isn't really obeying God's plan! It is not obedience to fit precisely into God's plan. It may be his plan for you to disobey, but it is not his command for you to disobey. Shall we sin that grace may abound? --Of course not! But we do, and it does.

 

[bling]

I have no problem with God responding to the choices of people, but to me it is ludicrous to think he did not predestine them to do precisely as he did.

As I have shown, to claim they acted without exterior cause (freewill), unbound to sin or to Christ, relegates their choice still caused --by the (self-contradictory) rule of chance, or their inherent inequity of goodness (also, apparently caused by chance or by the Creator)

If God is responding to what He predestined to happen then God is not responding to a human choice but to what He predestined.
The autonomous free will choice the person makes can go either way without any changes in all the outside influences, it is the person's real choice, I do no why you cannot understand this?

 

[bling]

Somebody with whom to share his Glory, for one. Someone to praise him in return, in full integrity of the image of God --something the Angels do not have, but that we will have when we are transformed upon seeing him as he is. It is for THAT he has made us. THAT is his purpose --and it is his Glory.

How are robots glorious and could God not make better robots then us?

You feel God needs an audience, that has no choice, but to praise Him?

God has free will so how are humans without free will “in full integrity of God’s image?”

How are robots better then angels?

I do not see how this messed up tragic filled world is glorious if it is not to help willing humans in their fulfilling heir earthly objective, can you help me with that?

According to you Adam and Eve did not have to sin, but were made to sin and get kicked out of the Garden. Was the Garden not a more glorious place then outside the Garden? Was sinless man more glorious then sinful man?

 

[BNR32FAN]

You take the Biblical commands to: “accept Christ”, “Abide in Christ” and “spread the gospel to others” as man’s objective, but you can take any command given man in scripture and say “This is man’s objective” and have scripture support for “it is what God told us to do”. So, is there a command that all other commands are subornment to, which might be the hidden Mission Statement?

God can raise from stones children of Abraham.

The tragedy with abortion is that child will never have the opportunity to fulfill His/her earthly objective.

Starting with God is Love (the epitome of Love), which means God is totally unselfish and is not doing stuff for His own sake, but is doing everything for the sake of man, which is also God’s desire and might be referred to as His sake.

God would be doing or allowing everything to help humans who are just willing to accept His help to fulfill their earthly objective.

So, God allows evil to happen to help humans, but God also allowed Christ to go to the cross to help humans.

There is really nothing you (a created being) can “do” to help the Creator, but you can allow, of your own free will, God to help you, which is God’s desire, since God is a huge giver of gifts.

Man’s objective is found in the God given Mission statement of: Loving God (and secondly Loving others) with all your heart, soul, mind and energy. In order to fulfill that mission man must first obtain Godly type Love which will make man like God Himself in that man will Love like God Loves. Would becoming like God Himself not be the greatest gift we could get?

The objective is not to never ever sin, but to obtain this Godly type Love is the first of man’s objective.

The Adam and Eve story helps us understand. Most people go through a time in which they ask: “How could a Loving God allow such a thing”, which means “why does God not start us all out in a Garden type situation without, needy people, limited resources, death, and questions about His existence?”

What we can do is thank Adam and Eve for showing us and them that what we might consider the ideal situation is a lousy situation for man to fulfill his earthly objective. Adam and Eve as our very best all human representatives did not fulfill the objective while sinless in the Garden and really could not. The situation after sinning outside the Garden did provide a way to fulfill the objective.

There are just somethings even an all-powerful Creator cannot do (there are things impossible to do), like God cannot make another Christ since Christ is not a created being. The big inability for us is to be created with instinctive (programmed) Godly type Love, since Godly type Love is not instinctive. Godly type love has to be the result of a free will decision by the being, to make it the person’s Love apart from God. In other words: If the Love was in a human from the human’s creation it would be a robotic type love and not a Godly type Love. Also, if God “forces” this Love on a person (Kind a like a shotgun wedding with God holding the shotgun) it would not be “loving” on God’s part and the love forced on the person would not be Godly type love. This Love has to be the result of a free will moral choice with real likely alternatives (for humans those alternatives include the perceived pleasures of sin for a season.)

This Love is way beyond anything humans could develop, obtain, learn, earn, pay back or ever deserve, so it must be the result of a gift that is accepted or rejected (a free will choice).

This “Love” is much more than just an emotional feeling; it is God Himself (God is Love). If you see this Love you see God.

All mature adults do stuff that hurts others (this is called sin) these transgressions weigh on them burden them to the point the individual seeks relief (at least early on before they allow their hearts to be hardened). Lots of “alternatives” can be tried for relief, but the only true relief comes from God with forgiveness (this forgiveness is pure charity [grace/mercy/Love]). The correct humble acceptance of this Forgiveness (Charity) automatically will result in Love (we are taught by Jesus (Luke 7: 36-50) and our own experience “…he that is forgiven much will Love much…”). Sin is thus made hugely significant, so there will be an unbelievable huge debt to be forgiven of and thus result in an unbelievable huge “Love” (Godly type Love).

This messed up world is actually the very best place for willing mature adult individuals to see, receive, give, experience, accept and grow Godly type Love. All these tragedies provide opportunities for Love, but that does not mean we go around causing opportunities, since we are to be ceasing these opportunities (there are plenty of opportunities) to show/experience Love.

I and it seems other have to have opportunities at our doorstep to respond with Love, if I would just cease the opportunities at some distance there might be fewer opportunities (tragedies) needed for me, so if you want to blame someone for all these tragedies blame me for not ceasing more earlier.

Hell does nothing for the people going to hell, but that was their choice since they kept refusing to accept God’s help (forgiveness, Love, grace, mercy, charity) to the point they will never humbly accept. Hell does help some willing individuals to not put off their acceptance of God’s help.

We are not making some honorable choice to accept God’s forgiveness, since sin burdens us and we just want undeserved relief from our pain and burden.

In order to be forgiven of sin you must first sin, so sin is necessary, but not desired.

Sin is not necessary to enter heaven, those who die before or during birth will not need forgiveness because they cannot sin.

 

[Mark Quayle]

If God is responding to what He predestined to happen then God is not responding to a human choice but to what He predestined.

Of course he is responding to what he predestined! That does not preclude his responding to human choices. Your kind (Arminians, and Arminian-leaning) commonly insist that God predestines, if at all, by seeing into the future what we will do, and deciding accordingly. What's the difference, then?

The autonomous free will choice the person makes can go either way without any changes in all the outside influences, it is the person's real choice, I do no why you cannot understand this?

That is not autonomous free will, then. "[Limited] autonomous free will" posits a scenario where a person where a person is momentarily, or to some other limited extent, not driven nor impeded by outside causes --uncaused, in other words.

"Changes in the outside influences" is irrelevant, btw. I suspect it is just as effective or relevant to say "uncaused by outside influences".

You, like most others of your proclivities appeal to the notion that our choices must be uncaused to be genuine. To me, and I think, to the Bible, that is ludicrous. In fact, as I see it, we incomplete beings are never genuine in and of ourselves --at least in any good way. Any good choices we make are the work of God in us. Any bad decisions we make are the work of sin in us. Yet both what God does and what sin does are predestined by God.

We are not endowed with integrity, in and of ourselves; we have no power, no ability, no more life than a stone, apart from God who upholds our very existence. This is seen most clearly in what some call the Salvation Decision. HOW, I ask, can we think ourselves capable of any constancy in making such a decision? Or how can such ignorant presumptuous people have any worthy understanding of what they are deciding on? How can such absolutely self-involved self-motivated sinful flesh submit to God in any true fashion? Only by regeneration, and that by God taking up residence within us --not by freewill!

 

[bling]

Ok, so basically the same thing I say, except I say it is primarily to his Glory and his own satisfaction --therefore for his sake, ours being secondary. Well, that, and different because you decorate it with pretty flowers. (i.e 'Nicer' things to focus on, lol, sorry). You come at it from a different focus.

It is far from what you are saying. Being programmed beings does not make the being like God with Godly type Love. What is your reason for God allowing this world to be an extreme tragedy and big-time mess?

Of course, though to have Godly type love is HIM in us doing it. This is not of ourselves. You seem to keep thinking we mature in Christ by growing in integrity to the point we can do it without him!

If Godly type Love is only His Love in us with Him doing it, means it is not our Love but His so it is just God Loving Himself.

We do not want to be doing it without Him because we Love Him and His presence. We can quench the Spirit of Christ and go it alone, but we mess it up, so the Love we have causes us to not quench Him.

I thought I had answered this rather plainly before, but I guess not. You sound a bit like the Atheist mockers who ignore that God has a sovereign, 'hidden', will (i.e.-his plan) and his revealed will (i.e. -his command). Obedience to his command brings him glory. Cooperation with and Opposition to his Sovereign will both bring him glory, though maybe not directly, but rather by displaying (sooner or later) his justice, wisdom, patience, love, power, righteousness and so on.

So: We don't all go to heaven because we aren't all regenerated, and regenerated according God's choice. It matters what we do because the people he made for his Dwelling Place are being 'built' even as we speak. What displeases God does so because it is done against his command. It is sin. Sin displeases God. But because of sin, he is shown glorious, not to mention that his prime objective could never have been achieved.

You may as well ask if disobeying God's command isn't really obeying God's plan! It is not obedience to fit precisely into God's plan. It may be his plan for you to disobey, but it is not his command for you to disobey. Shall we sin that grace may abound? --Of course not! But we do, and it does.

You say: “Obedience to his command brings him glory”, but it is not our free will choice to be obedient which shows our Love, but it is God’s programming of us that is obedient, so how great is that obedience?

You say: “regenerated according God's choice”, which makes God the blame for all those who go to hell.

Why do you feel you are a lucky one and how do you feel about all the unlucky ones?

God is not glorified by humans sinning, God hates the fact humans’ sin. God is glorified by His Love for humans. This sounds like: “Let us go on sinning, so God’s glory may abound.”

Unfortunately, sin is in God’s plan for the unbelieving sinner, since at least for a while those sins hurt the sinner, we have a conscience which burdens us, because we have hurt others. We hopefully then go about looking for ways to relieve that burden, which can only be relieved permanently with God’s forgiveness.

 

[bling]

Sin is not necessary to enter heaven, those who die before or during birth will not need forgiveness because they cannot sin.

I am only addressing mature adults needing to sin.

 

[Neogaia777]

@bling

Do you believe anything in you makes you approved or saves you or causes God to choose you or show you favor (if He does) at all in any way at all ever, in any way at all ever, etc...?

Or does anything in you or about you cause you at all to be "worthy" (or maybe "more worthy" later on, etc) at all in any way at all ever, etc...?

Yes or No...?

 

[bling]

Of course he is responding to what he predestined! That does not preclude his responding to human choices. Your kind (Arminians, and Arminian-leaning) commonly insist that God predestines, if at all, by seeing into the future what we will do, and deciding accordingly. What's the difference, then?



That is not autonomous free will, then. "[Limited] autonomous free will" posits a scenario where a person where a person is momentarily, or to some other limited extent, not driven nor impeded by outside causes --uncaused, in other words.

"Changes in the outside influences" is irrelevant, btw. I suspect it is just as effective or relevant to say "uncaused by outside influences".

You, like most others of your proclivities appeal to the notion that our choices must be uncaused to be genuine. To me, and I think, to the Bible, that is ludicrous. In fact, as I see it, we incomplete beings are never genuine in and of ourselves --at least in any good way. Any good choices we make are the work of God in us. Any bad decisions we make are the work of sin in us. Yet both what God does and what sin does are predestined by God.

We are not endowed with integrity, in and of ourselves; we have no power, no ability, no more life than a stone, apart from God who upholds our very existence. This is seen most clearly in what some call the Salvation Decision. HOW, I ask, can we think ourselves capable of any constancy in making such a decision? Or how can such ignorant presumptuous people have any worthy understanding of what they are deciding on? How can such absolutely self-involved self-motivated sinful flesh submit to God in any true fashion? Only by regeneration, and that by God taking up residence within us --not by freewill!

We agree that there are some predestine choices, but you have not shown all human choices are predestined and no one has.

The autonomous free will decision which the unbelieving sinner makes is not some noble, honorable, worthy, righteous, holy choice like accepting Christ. The sinner is incapable of making such a choice. The only decision in this matter I am talking about is the selfish decision (selfishness is always unrighteous) to being just willing to humbly accept pure undeserved charity as charity form a hated enemy (God). After God showers the willing person with unbelievable wonderful gifts, can the person then out of a gratitude type Godly Love want to please God.

 

[bling]

@bling

Do you believe anything in you makes you approved or saves you or causes God to choose you or show you favor (if He does) at all in any way at all ever, in any way at all ever, etc...?

Or does anything in you or about you cause you at all to be "worthy" (or maybe "more worthy" later on, etc) at all in any way at all ever, etc...?

Yes or No...?

No

All mature adults are in the exact same situation as nonbelieving sinners. God is wanting and willing to shower everyone of them with unbelievable wonderful gifts.

I was just a weak wimp, who gave up on myself to do anything good, and I surrendered to my hated enemy God for the selfish reason of possible having undeserved temporary relieve of the burden my past sins of hurting others have on my conscience.

 

[Neogaia777]

No

All mature adults are in the exact same situation as nonbelieving sinners.

I wouldn't think that would make them very "mature", etc...?

But I think you are being "sarcastic" actually maybe, etc...?

God is wanting and willing to shower everyone of them with unbelievable wonderful gifts.

Again, I think you are being "sarcastic" actually maybe, etc...?

And what would that say about your supposed "Christian heart", etc...?

But, that being said, who do you think Jesus showered His gifts upon/to in the NT, etc...?

And then maybe, who He did not, or whom He avoided like the plague, etc...?

I was just a weak wimp, who gave up on myself to do anything good, and I surrendered to my hated enemy God for the selfish reason of possible having undeserved temporary relieve of the burden my past sins of hurting others have on my conscience.

Are you talking about yourself, or someone you know...?

Or maybe only "think you know" maybe, etc...?

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

@bling

And you do not even realize that my bringing you sorrow or frustration or grief is actually trying to renew you again to repentance, etc...?

How sad, etc...

Part of my sorrow though I guess...

God Bless!

 

[bling]

I wouldn't think that would make them very "mature", etc...?

But I think you are being "sarcastic" actually maybe, etc...?



Again, I think you are being "sarcastic" actually maybe, etc...?

And what would that say about your supposed "Christian heart", etc...?

But, that being said, who do you think Jesus showered His gifts upon/to in the NT, etc...?

And then maybe, who He did not, or whom He avoided like the plague, etc...?



Are you talking about yourself, or someone you know...?

Or maybe only "think you know" maybe, etc...?

God Bless!

I am talking about myself.

Jesus showered everyone who accepted his message with gifts.

 

[Neogaia777]

I am talking about myself.

Well, then I do sincerely owe you a great apology then, and I do sincerely give you one or give it to you, OK... I am truly sorry, OK...

But, I would like to say, don't be so abusive to yourself OK, that's not what Jesus would have wanted either, keep your head up, OK, (but not your nose, etc), OK...?

It's all about finding a "balance", OK...?

Jesus showered everyone who accepted his message with gifts.

Yes, He most certainly did...

God Bless!

 

[Paulomycin]

There is no John 6:65

^ This explains everything.

 

[Mark Quayle]

How are robots glorious and could God not make better robots then us?

You feel God needs an audience, that has no choice, but to praise Him?

God has free will so how are humans without free will “in full integrity of God’s image?”

How are robots better then angels?

I do not see how this messed up tragic filled world is glorious if it is not to help willing humans in their fulfilling heir earthly objective, can you help me with that?

According to you Adam and Eve did not have to sin, but were made to sin and get kicked out of the Garden. Was the Garden not a more glorious place then outside the Garden? Was sinless man more glorious then sinful man?

I don't remember if I answered this post or not. I read it and others in a hurry to go somewhere. Forgive me if I'm repeating.

We are not robots. We have will.

This messed up world is not what is glorious about it, but God is glorious, and glorified in what he does with it. It is hard for me to explain anything to you when you keep reverting back to the idea of what you call our earthly objective. To me, the reason God created us is for his glory, and it won't be completed until this life is over. To you, the objective is obedience to his 2 greatest commandments aka 'love'. Noble as that sounds, I insist it cannot happen except by the work of God. Which fact glorifies him.

You say, "According to you Adam and Eve did not have to sin but were made to sin". Huh?

Adam and Eve sinned, yes, and that by God's design and causation. Is that what you mean I said? They sinned because they had will just as we do, though theirs was not enslaved to sin until after they disobeyed God. They chose to disobey God.

Then you ask, "Was the Garden not a more glorious place then outside the Garden? Was sinless man more glorious then sinful man?" The only reason I can come up with why you would ask those two questions is because you mistake what I mean by God's glory, though even then I don't see why you chose this example. After all, I never said that every event, disobedience or suffering immediately displays God's glory to all onlookers' conscious amazement.

 

[Mark Quayle]

We agree that there are some predestine choices, but you have not shown all human choices are predestined and no one has.

The autonomous free will decision which the unbelieving sinner makes is not some noble, honorable, worthy, righteous, holy choice like accepting Christ. The sinner is incapable of making such a choice. The only decision in this matter I am talking about is the selfish decision (selfishness is always unrighteous) to being just willing to humbly accept pure undeserved charity as charity form a hated enemy (God). After God showers the willing person with unbelievable wonderful gifts, can the person then out of a gratitude type Godly Love want to please God.

We HAVE shown ALL things are predestined --both according to scripture and according to logic, unless you deny that God is First Cause, Omnipotent, and purposeful. The fact you ignore what was said doesn't mean it wasn't said. I'll assume you just missed what was said.

You keep positing a god who sort of predetermines, and little first causes running about the earth that this god must check with for permission to continue his plans. Unbelievably wonderful gifts do not transform us. The indwelling Spirit of God does.

Why do you insist on a narrative to excuse God for not being what you want him to be, to measure up to you idea of love? And what in the world gives you the idea that anything we can do in and of ourselves is worthy of calling it faith, or understanding, or integrity? Faith and love are the work of God. And no I did not say they are therefore automatic and we are not involved. "The love of God compels us" might be more literal than you realize. You want it to mean we love in return (or the like) as a result of seeing how much he loves us. But you haven't considered that it may be that very love in/through the person of the Holy Spirit that moves us along. I don't suppose you remember me or anyone else saying that the regenerated necessarily WILL do good works, as the book of James insists?

I think I've had about enough of this.

 

[bling]

I don't remember if I answered this post or not. I read it and others in a hurry to go somewhere. Forgive me if I'm repeating.

We are not robots. We have will.

My understanding of your definition of “will” is nothing more than a programmed response to a set of stimuli, which describes a robot’s reaction.

“Will” philosophically is really free will and free will is autonomous free will. It has not been shown scientifically that humans have a will, yet. Are we all just the result of our genes and environment God provides to us and thus predestined/predictable?

If humans have a will then in certain situations, they could truly choose to go one way or the other way without changing any outside stimulus, it would thus be their choice. Most choices a human does make are the result of their genes and environment, but some science cannot be sure where it came from.

We cannot become like God with Godly type Love if we do not have this miraculous free will. Jesus and God have free will.

This messed up world is not what is glorious about it, but God is glorious, and glorified in what he does with it. It is hard for me to explain anything to you when you keep reverting back to the idea of what you call our earthly objective. To me, the reason God created us is for his glory, and it won't be completed until this life is over. To you, the objective is obedience to his 2 greatest commandments aka 'love'. Noble as that sounds, I insist it cannot happen except by the work of God. Which fact glorifies him.

You say, "According to you Adam and Eve did not have to sin but were made to sin". Huh?

Adam and Eve sinned, yes, and that by God's design and causation. Is that what you mean I said? They sinned because they had will just as we do, though theirs was not enslaved to sin until after they disobeyed God. They chose to disobey God.

Then you ask, "Was the Garden not a more glorious place then outside the Garden? Was sinless man more glorious then sinful man?" The only reason I can come up with why you would ask those two questions is because you mistake what I mean by God's glory, though even then I don't see why you chose this example. After all, I never said that every event, disobedience or suffering immediately displays God's glory to all onlookers' conscious amazement.

That is not what I said, but Adam and Eve would sin, because to obey you have to have this Godly type Love to obey and Adam and Eve could not be programmed initially with this Love (that would make it robotic). The Garden did not provide the need for Adam and Eve to want to humbly accept God’s charity as charity, since they had done nothing wrong and deserved to be treated by their creator as wonderful good children, even a perfect parent has responsibility for His children.

It was Adam and Eve’s choice not to humbly accept God’s gifts/Love are pure undeserved charity, but that would mean being humble and there was no reason for Adam and Eve to humble themselves.

People will do almost anything to avoid having to humbly accept pure charity as charity, including the idea that it is not possible for humans to do such a thing, since that would require free will, so they were made to accept the charity, God made them. Some people think God made them a very select group, without having to humbly accept His undeserved charity, so they got as a packaged deal, His charity prior to having to accept.

 

[bling]

We HAVE shown ALL things are predestined --both according to scripture and according to logic, unless you deny that God is First Cause, Omnipotent, and purposeful. The fact you ignore what was said doesn't mean it wasn't said. I'll assume you just missed what was said.

You can believe: “God is First Cause, Omnipotent, and purposeful.” Without believing everything is predestined. The Bible does not say or show everything is predestined, yet it does show somethings are predestined.

You keep positing a god who sort of predetermines, and little first causes running about the earth that this god must check with for permission to continue his plans. Unbelievably wonderful gifts do not transform us. The indwelling Spirit of God does.

God’s plan is for mature adults to have just a little autonomous free will and can keep that autonomous free will choices from interfering with God’s other plans. The human free will choices can all be mentally performed not invading other plans. God is smart enough to compensate for each and every human free will choice no matter which way it goes.

We still have free will with the Spirit, but it has to do with allowing the Spirit to lead or quenching the Spirit.

Why do you insist on a narrative to excuse God for not being what you want him to be, to measure up to you idea of love? And what in the world gives you the idea that anything we can do in and of ourselves is worthy of calling it faith, or understanding, or integrity? Faith and love are the work of God. And no I did not say they are therefore automatic and we are not involved. "The love of God compels us" might be more literal than you realize. You want it to mean we love in return (or the like) as a result of seeing how much he loves us. But you haven't considered that it may be that very love in/through the person of the Holy Spirit that moves us along. I don't suppose you remember me or anyone else saying that the regenerated necessarily WILL do good works, as the book of James insists?

I think I've had about enough of this.

It is not my trying to make a God I want, but describe the God the Bible presents, especially the God, Jesus presents to us in good detail.

The Love I am describing in the Love we find in scripture especially everything Jesus did and spoke.

We “do” stuff but it is not “work”, by the Bible’s definition of work, and it is worthy of nothing (you have to wimp out).

Yes! Godly type Love compels us to do good stuff, but the unbelieving sinner does not have this Love, so he does things for the unrighteous reason of selfishly. The unrighteous, unloving, sinner can of his own free will for selfish reasons be willing to humbly accept undeserved charity.

 

[Paulomycin]

“Will” philosophically is really free will and free will is autonomous free will. It has not been shown scientifically that humans have a will, yet.

Sorry, but you can't even argue it philosophically. Erasmus failed when he tried to argue for free will with Martin Luther. Even John Locke had a hard time with it. You're assuming philosophers have this all ironed-out when it's pretty much the #1. most controversial topic in philosophy.

Are we all just the result of our genes and environment God provides to us and thus predestined/predictable?

YES! Because God provided it. God is an omnipotent being! Your "god in a box" doesn't exist. God never affirmed your assumptions anywhere. You see the verse and then you have to torture it to death to make it say what you want it to.