What happens to those who sin in Heaven?

[Blindwatchmaker]

Hello

Thank you for the opportunity to post questions about Christian belief on your forum.
I was wondering what happens to those who commit sins (murder, rape etc) in Heaven.
Do they simply get thrown out? If so, is that forever? Straight to Hell with no possibility of forgiveness for eternity?
Or some other place?...

 

[Sketcher]

I don't believe that it will be possible for the Christians in Heaven to sin again.

 

[Blindwatchmaker]

I don't believe that it will be possible for the Christians in Heaven to sin again.

Not possible in what way?
I mean if someone gets to Heaven and say, wants to steal or commit adultery, what would happen to make it not possible?

 

[Occams Barber]

I don't believe that it will be possible for the Christians in Heaven to sin again.

Wouldn't that mean that people in Heaven have no free will?

OB

 

[Blindwatchmaker]

Wouldn't that mean that people in Heaven have no free will?

OB

This is what I'm getting at.
The classical reply to the problem of evil or why God allows such a horrendous amount of suffering is that humans have free will and God doesn't want to mess with that.
But if we get to Heaven and still have free will, then by what mechanism will we be prevented from sinning?

 

[TedT]

Wouldn't that mean that people in Heaven have no free will?OB

After our earthly experience of the suffering sin causes, no one will ever choose by their free will to sin again, to start that ball rolling again. The idea is absurd that one would knowingly trade the telepathic loving communion with everyone in the kingdom including GOD for the destruction of the pleasure or profit of a sinful choice.

We will have a free will but we will never choose to sin again by that will.

 

[Blindwatchmaker]

After our earthly experience of the suffering sin causes, no one will ever choose by their free will to sin again, to start that ball rolling again. The idea is absurd that one would knowingly trade the telepathic loving communion with everyone in the kingdom including GOD for the destruction of the pleasure or profit of a sinful choice.

So you're saying that the idea is just that everyone will be so happy to be in Heaven that no human being will ever have a moment of weakness or bad judgement again for the rest of eternity?
With respect, that doesn't sound likely given what we know about human nature.

 

[TedT]

I was wondering what happens to those who commit sins (murder, rape etc) in Heaven.

The word heaven refers to the married state of GOD with HIS holy church which implies a total compete unity of fellowship / communion in love. Everyone will be in a perfect unity of faith by our free will that YHWH is righteous so we will also always chose righteousness from then on forever.

Who would change their experience of perfect unifying love to re-experience the suffering of sinfulness? From the Christian pov, this is an absurd question...

 

[Occams Barber]

After our earthly experience of the suffering sin causes, no one will ever choose by their free will to sin again, to start that ball rolling again. The idea is absurd that one would knowingly trade the telepathic loving communion with everyone in the kingdom including GOD for the destruction of the pleasure or profit of a sinful choice.

We will have a free will but we will never choose to sin again by that will.

That's what's known as coercion - behave or you'll be kicked out (of Heaven)

OB

 

[Blindwatchmaker]

In that case, why couldn't God have just created human beings in a married state with him in the first place and avoided all the sin to begin with?
Surely if God has the means to create an environment where human beings have total free will but are not inclined to sin, shouldn't he just have done that at the beginning?
Could have avoided so much suffering...

 

[Blindwatchmaker]

That's what's known as coercion - behave or you'll be kicked out.

OB

Is this warning addressed to me?
I don't want to break forum rules.

 

[Occams Barber]

The word heaven refers to the married state of GOD with HIS holy church which implies a total compete unity of fellowship / communion in love. Everyone will be in a perfect unity of faith that YHWH is righteous and by our free will so we will also always chose righteousness from then on forever.

Who would change their experience of perfect unifying love to re-experience the suffering of sinfulness? From the Christian pov, this is an absurd question...

Not all sin involves suffering. Some sins are .... fun.

OB

 

[Occams Barber]

Is this warning addressed to me?
I don't want to break forum rules.

No - the comment was in response to TEdT's post.

If you look at my post it's under a quote from TedT's original post.

OB

 

[thecolorsblend]

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[Occams Barber]

There is no sin in Heaven. Upon reaching Heaven, the redeemed see the face of God. Once that happens, rebellion against God (i.e., sin) is not possible.

Ergo - no free will.

OB

 

[Blindwatchmaker]

There is no sin in Heaven. Upon reaching Heaven, the redeemed see the face of God. Once that happens, rebellion against God (i.e., sin) is not possible.

Not possible sounds a little restrictive if we still have free will.
And if not the removal of free will, then why doesn't God just show his face now and nobody else will want to sin?
If God can remove the human inclination to sin simply by showing us his face, then his decision not to do so, means he's happy for us to sin no?

 

[Basil the Great]

I think it is safe to say that this is one of those questions for which we do not have the answer.

 

[Blindwatchmaker]

That's a very honest answer thank you.

 

[Kenny'sID]

I was wondering what happens to those who commit sins (murder, rape etc) in Heaven.

As far as I know, it isn't covered in the bible, so I can pretty well assure you no one knows the answer to that.

As far as murder goes, iI don't see how that can be possible in a body that lives forever.

What do you think will happen.

 

[Blindwatchmaker]

Well, there are many sins other than murder of course.
But that issue aside, personally I have not so far seen any evidence to convince me that Heaven exists as anything other than an idea in the minds of humans.
A response to the fear and knowledge that life is limited and relatively brief.
That has always seemed a more plausible idea than our personalities surviving the death of our brains.