How many laws are too many?

[LoveGodsWord]

So what are you saying? Are you saying that Paul wasn't in the Renewed covenant, because he followed YHWH's eternal commandments to keep his Moedim, as Paul taught his disciples to follow him as he followed Messiah? (CLV) Mt 5:19 "Whosoever, then, should be annulling one of the least of these precepts, and should be teaching men thus, the least in the kingdom of the heavens shall he be called. Yet whoever should be doing and teaching them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of the heavens.

No dear friend, I said no such thing so please do not pretend that I did. Let's be honest. You do not keep the Feast days no one does unless they have a Levite Priest that can make animal sacrifices for sin and burnt offerings for atonement and you have an earthly Sanctuary. These are all laws for remission of sins under the old covenant. At the death of Jesus the temple curtain was rent in two. Signalling an end to the earthly ministration and the beginning of the Heavenly. If anyone is continuing to live in the old covenant laws for remission of sins (animal sacrifices, ceremonial Sanctuary laws for remission of sins, the Levitical Priesthood) then they have lost sight of what these "shadow laws" of the new covenant point to and are continued in. (see Hebrews 7:1-28; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-28 and Hebrews 10:1-17).

 

[HARK!]

What are you talking about? We are still here aren't we? The shadow laws for remission of sins are fulfilled in Christ to who they pointed to and are continued under his ministration in the Heavenly Sanctuary not made with hands of which the earthly was a copy.

If you think that YHWH's eternal Moedim are all about the remission of sin; you're mistaken. It's not the remission of sin that is casting the shadow of what is to come.

 

[HARK!]

Really? What did the Feast days point to then? Where is your animal sacrifices then for your sin offerings; your Levite Priest and earthly Sanctuary? These all were shadows of things to come fulfilled in the new covenant promise. How can you practice the old testament Feast days without the above? - You cannot

That's a ridiculous argument. How can you honor the Sabbath without the Levitcal Priesthood in place?

See Leviticus 24:1-9

 

[HARK!]

Then I suggest believing the scriptures, God's sacrifice for the sins of the world has arrived as has his ministration in the heavenly Sanctuary not made with hands in the new covenant. JESUS is now our great high Priest ministering on our behalf in the heavenly Sanctuary of which the earthly was only a copy. The "shadow laws" for remission of sins are now based on better promises dear friend. Time to leave the "shadows" of the old and continue them in the new to which they point to. It is the Messiah the "shadow laws" for remission of sin point to at his coming death on the cross, His resurrection and ministration now in the heavenly Sanctuary not made with hands.

Hope this is helpful

The Sabbath is a shadow law, a copy. As far as the Moedim, the New Moons, and the Sabbaths, food and drink, all being for the remission of sin, "you have some splainin' to do."

You can't have it both ways.

 

[HARK!]

Sure it is, as the "shadows" are fulfilled in that to which they point to (JESUS) and are continued in His ministration in the new covenant in the Heavenly Sanctuary not made with hands of which the earthly was a copy. No more animal sacrifices and sin offering dear friend or Levitical Priesthood or earthly Sanctuary which were "shadows of things to come"

So are you saying that James told Paul to sin, which is a sin; and then Paul sinned by following James' instructions to make sacrifices; and Paul led others to sin by paying for their sacrifices?

If so, please explain why you would think these men did this purported evil.

 

[HARK!]

No dear friend, I said no such thing so please do not pretend that I did. Let's be honest. You do not keep the Feast days no one does unless they have a Levite Priest that can make animal sacrifices for sin and burnt offerings for atonement and you have an earthly Sanctuary.

Do you keep the Sabbath? See Leviticus 24: 1-9.

Please explain how you keep it in absence of the Levitcal Preists performing their duties.

 

[HARK!]

At the death of Jesus the temple curtain was rent in two. Signalling an end to the earthly ministration and the beginning of the Heavenly. If anyone is continuing to live in the old covenant laws for remission of sins (animal sacrifices, ceremonial Sanctuary laws for remission of sins, the Levitical Priesthood) then they have lost sight of what these "shadow laws" of the new covenant point to and are continued in. (see Hebrews 7:1-28; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-28 and Hebrews 10:1-17).

What does this have to do with YHWH's eternal Moedim?

Please break it down point by point how the Apostles made sin sacrifices by continuing to honor YHWH's eternal Moedim.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

If you think that YHWH's eternal Moedim are all about the remission of sin; you're mistaken. It's not the remission of sin that is casting the shadow of what is to come.

Now HARK! let me get this straight. Are you saying here in this post that the annual Feasts do not have burnt offerings and sin offerings as well as the many other types of offerings attached to them?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ Really? What did the Feast days point to then? Where is your animal sacrifices then for your sin offerings; your Levite Priest and earthly Sanctuary? These all were shadows of things to come fulfilled in the new covenant promise. How can you practice the old testament Feast days without the above? - You cannot

Your response here...

That's a ridiculous argument. How can you honor the Sabbath without the Levitcal Priesthood in place? See Leviticus 24:1-9

Well you do not have to answer the questions above if you so not want to. I see you haven't
Where does it say in God's 4th commandment *Exodus 20:8-11 that you need a Levitical Priest to keep the Sabbath? - It doesn't and neither does Leviticus 24:1-9.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The Sabbath is a shadow law, a copy. As far as the Moedim, the New Moons, and the Sabbaths, food and drink, all being for the remission of sin, "you have some splainin' to do." You can't have it both ways.

Well that is not true dear friend, but let me explain why again! Although there are ceremonial "shadow sabbaths" linked directly to the annual Feasts of Leviticus 23, these are not the same as God's 4th commandment that is only linked directly to the "seventh day" of the week on a continuous weekly cycle. God's 4th commandment which is linked directly to the "seventh day" of the week is not the same as the ceremonial sabbaths in the feast days which are linked directly only to the annual feast days which can fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle. For example the ceremonial "shadow sabbaths" included; Feast of Unleavened Bread or Passover (first and last day) *Leviticus 23:6-8; Feast of Trumpets *Leviticus 23:24-25; Day of Atonement *Leviticus 23:27-32; Feast of Booths *Leviticus 23:34-36; Feast of First Fruits *Leviticus 23:39; and Feast days of Holy convocation of no work *Leviticus 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36 (sabbaths plural to sabbaton in Colossians 2:16-17; also called high sabbaths if they fall on the same day as a weekly sabbath *John 19:31). These annual (not weekly) ceremonial sabbaths connected to the feast days are not the same as God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments which is only linked directly to the "seventh day" on a continuous weekly cycle *Exodus 20:8-11 from Genesis 2:1-3.

Now please take note...

God's 4th commandment Sabbath is strictly linked to the "seventh day" on a continuous weekly cycle as a memorial of creation. Exodus 20:8-11; Genesis 2:1-3. It is impossible for the "seventh day" weekly Sabbath to be a "shadow law" of anything because it is a "memorial"of creation ("Remember" the Sabbath day - Exodus 20:8 linked directly to the seventh day of the creation week - Exodus 20:10-11), which is a part of the "finished work" of creation *Genesis 2:1-3. This means that God's 4th commandment points backwards not forward to the creation week of Genesis 2:1-3. When the Sabbath was made for mankind, there was no sin and no law and no plan of salvation (shadow laws), no Moses, no Torah and no ISRAEL when God made the Sabbath for all mankind according to the scriptures *Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 2:27. So no God's 4th commandment is not a "shadow law"!

Your welcome

 

[HARK!]

Now HARK! let me get this straight. Are you saying here in this post that the annual Feasts do not have burnt offerings and sin offerings as well as the many other types of offerings attached to them?

Ahem!

(CLV) Num 28:9
On the sabbath day you shall bring near two flawless year-old he-lambs, and two tenths of an ephah of flour, an approach present mingled with oil, with its libation.

(CLV) Num 28:10
This is the sabbath ascent offering on its sabbath along with the regular ascent offering with its libation.

You're welcome!

 

[HARK!]

Well that is not true dear friend, but let me explain why again! Although there are ceremonial "shadow sabbaths" linked directly to the annual Feasts of Leviticus 23, these are not the same as God's 4th commandment that is only linked directly to the "seventh day" of the week on a continuous weekly cycle. God's 4th commandment which is linked directly to the "seventh day" of the week is not the same as the ceremonial sabbaths in the feast days which are linked directly only to the annual feast days which can fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle.

A cycle is a cycle my friend. If YHWH says rest on a cycle; I rest. I don't look for ways to discount his cycles.

 

[HARK!]

Well you do not have to answer the questions above if you so not want to. I see you haven't
Where does it say in God's 4th commandment *Exodus 20:8-11 that you need a Levitical Priest to keep the Sabbath? - It doesn't and neither does Leviticus 24:1-9.

See post 51. I stand by my initial response. Where does it say that I need a Levitical Priest to do any of what I am personally required to do to rest on any of YHWH's appointed times?

How can you say that because the priests aren't burning incense; that we don't have to rest?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Ahem!

(CLV) Num 28:9
On the sabbath day you shall bring near two flawless year-old he-lambs, and two tenths of an ephah of flour, an approach present mingled with oil, with its libation.

(CLV) Num 28:10
This is the sabbath ascent offering on its sabbath along with the regular ascent offering with its libation.

You're welcome!

Hmm.. Nope... Levitical Priesthood of the old covenant fulfilled in the new that points to God's sacrifice for sin and Jesus as our great High Priest in the heavenly Sanctuary not made with hands based on better promises. (see Hebrews 7:1-28; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-28 and Hebrews 10:1-17). Your not listening or reading the new covenant scriptures shared with you.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LoveGodsWord wrote: Well that is not true dear friend, but let me explain why again! Although there are ceremonial "shadow sabbaths" linked directly to the annual Feasts of Leviticus 23, these are not the same as God's 4th commandment that is only linked directly to the "seventh day" of the week on a continuous weekly cycle. God's 4th commandment which is linked directly to the "seventh day" of the week is not the same as the ceremonial sabbaths in the feast days which are linked directly only to the annual feast days which can fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle.

Your response..

A cycle is a cycle my friend. If YHWH says rest on a cycle; I rest. I don't look for ways to discount his cycles.

Nope. That has nothing to do with why the scriptures were posted to you.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

See post 51. I stand by my initial response. Where does it say that I need a Levitical Priest to do any of what I am personally required to do to rest on any of YHWH's appointed times? How can you say that because the priests aren't burning incense; that we don't have to rest?

Hmm nope you did not answer any of the questions asked you. I asked you, what did the Feast days point to then? Where is your animal sacrifices then for your sin offerings; your Levite Priest and earthly Sanctuary? These all were shadows of things to come fulfilled in the new covenant promise. How can you practice the old testament Feast days without the above? - You cannot. Your response was to ignore these questions. You seem to be struggling a bit here. I am happy to share more scripture from Hebrews if your interested in regards to the what the old covenant laws for remission of sins pointed to. Are you interested?

 

[HARK!]

Hmm.. Nope... Levitical Priesthood of the old covenant fulfilled in the new that points to God's sacrifice for sin and Jesus as our great High Priest in the heavenly Sanctuary not made with hands based on better promises. (see Hebrews 7:1-28; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-28 and Hebrews 10:1-17). Your not listening or reading the new covenant scriptures shared with you.

(CLV) Ac 2:1
And at the fulfillment of the day of Pentecost they were all alike in the same place.

(CLV) 1Co 16:8
Yet I shall stay in Ephesus till Pentecost,

(CLV) Ac 20:16
for Paul had decided to sail by Ephesus, so that he may not be coming to linger in the province of Asia, for he hurried, if it may be possible for him to be in Jerusalem by the day of Pentecost.

(CLV) Ac 12:3
Now perceiving that it is pleasing to the Jews, he proceeded to apprehend Peter also (now they were the days of unleavened bread),

(CLV) Ac 12:4
whom, arresting also, he placed in jail, giving him over to four quaternions of soldiers to guard him, intending after the Passover to lead him up to the people.

(CLV) 1Co 5:8
so that we may be keeping the festival, not with old leaven, nor yet with the leaven of evil and wickedness, but with unleavened sincerity and truth.

(CLV) Ac 27:9
Now, considerable time elapsing, and sailing being already hazardous, because of the Fast also having already passed by, Paul exhorted them,

 

[LoveGodsWord]

(CLV) Ac 2:1
And at the fulfillment of the day of Pentecost they were all alike in the same place.

(CLV) 1Co 16:8
Yet I shall stay in Ephesus till Pentecost,

(CLV) Ac 20:16
for Paul had decided to sail by Ephesus, so that he may not be coming to linger in the province of Asia, for he hurried, if it may be possible for him to be in Jerusalem by the day of Pentecost.

(CLV) Ac 12:3
Now perceiving that it is pleasing to the Jews, he proceeded to apprehend Peter also (now they were the days of unleavened bread),

(CLV) Ac 12:4
whom, arresting also, he placed in jail, giving him over to four quaternions of soldiers to guard him, intending after the Passover to lead him up to the people.

(CLV) 1Co 5:8
so that we may be keeping the festival, not with old leaven, nor yet with the leaven of evil and wickedness, but with unleavened sincerity and truth.

(CLV) Ac 27:9
Now, considerable time elapsing, and sailing being already hazardous, because of the Fast also having already passed by, Paul exhorted them,

Well I see your trying to change subject matter again without answering my questions to you. Anyhow why did Paul keep the Passover?

1 Corinthians 9:20-21 NLT [20] "WHEN I AM WITH THE JEWS I BECOME ONE OF THEM SO THAT I CAN BRING THEM TO CHRIST. WHEN I AM WITH THOSE WHO FOLLOW THE JEWISH LAWS, I DO THE SAME, EVEN THOUGH I AM NOT SUBJECT TO THE [MOSAIC] LAW, SO THAT I CAN BRING THEM TO CHRIST. [21] When I am with the Gentiles who do not have the Jewish law, I fit in with them as much as I can. In this way, I gain their confidence and bring them to Christ. But I do not discard the law of God; I obey the law of Christ."

John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible. Dr. John Gill (1690-1771)
"that I might gain them that are under the law; meaning the Jews, who were observers of the law of Moses."

Paul had a difficult job of spreading the Gospel and he was stoned more than once and met with a lot of resistance. The Jews continued to keep the feasts after the cross because they did not accept Jesus was their Messiah and neither was it understood that Christ was the fulfillment of this system until someone like Peter or Paul explained otherwise. So they continued to keep the Jewish festivals. But this was a perfect opportunity for Paul to reach all God fearing Jews since they were all gathered together in one place at the same time for each festival. What a wonderful opportunity for Paul to preach the Gospel to the right people all in the one place at the same time.

So Paul would have made every effort to attend all these Jewish festivals. But Paul was not a hypocrite and did only what he had to do to reach his Jewish brethren and the Gentiles as he explained in 1 Corinthians 9:20-21. Paul taught that the Gentiles never kept them and never had to, and that for the Jew they were bondage, contrary to them, against them, would put them under the curse of the law and were nailed to the cross.

So there had to be a unavoidable transition period between the feasts officially ending and when they literally ceased. An obvious fact unless you are deceived. So while feast keeping officially ended at the cross, Jews were still keeping the feasts at Pentecost where the Church began to grow. The new Jewish converts at Pentecost would have been the first largest group to cease keeping the feasts.

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1 Corinthians 5:7-8 [7], Purge out therefore the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, as you are unleavened. For even CHRIST OUR PASSOVER IS SACRIFICES FOR US:[8], THEREFORE LET US KEEP THE FEAST NOT WITH OLD LEAVEN, NEITHER WITH THE LEAVEN OF WICKEDNESS AND MALICE BUT IN SINCERITY AND TRUTH.

Not a single scripture you have used above says Paul was going to the Feasts to keep them and nowhere does he tell Christians to keep them. He was going to the Feasts to share the gospel. Did you want to answer my questions now from the previous posts?

Hope this helps

 

[HARK!]

I asked you, what did the Feast days point to then?

They have pointed to many things; and they continue to point to may things regarding YHWH's progressive revelation.

Let's look at Passover. When Isaac was spared by the ram in the thicket; it was a shadow of what was to come. Abraham was obedient to YHWH; and Isaac was passed over. The came Moses, who too was a shadow of what was to come. Moses was obedient to YHWH; and Israel was passed over. Then came Yahshua. He too was obedient to YHWH, and Israel was offered a renewed covenant. They were passed over, despite their fathers having rebelled against YHWH. He tabernacled with us briefly but this too was a shadow of what is to come.

Do you not believe that Yahshua will return?
Do you not believe that there will be wrath as in the days of Moses, and as in the days after Yahshua's departure?
Do you not believe that YHWH's people will be passed over in that wrath?
Do you not believe that Yahshua will tabernacle with his sheep again?

The Moedim are are called feasts by many. This doesn't even remotely resemble the Hebrew meaning of the word. The word means rehearsal, or appointment. These are appointments that our Father has made with us. We are to take this time to try to understand his plan for us. There are many lessons to be learned, not just on a historical, nor just on a prophetic level; but also in a personal spiritual level.

It would take at least seven threads to even begin to cover their depth.

It surprises me that it seems that you don't recognize what the Sabbath points to.

 

[HARK!]

Anyhow why did Paul keep the Passover?

You might want to take time to consider that. That's what these rehearsals are for.