Pope Francis backs same-sex civil unions

[SilverBear]

Liberal Nonsense. Being a homosexual is a sin. Whether one practises the acts or not. Being black is not a sin.

according to racists black people acting as the social or moral equals of whites is a sin - being black isn't a sin but forgetting one's place or acting all uppity is.

 

[The Ant]

And they would be sinning also.

Wait a minute.

I, like you presumably, have been attracted to the opposite sex for all of my adult life. You telling me that we should be condemned for that???

 

[HIM]

Wait a minute.

I, like you presumably, have been attracted to the opposite sex for all of my adult life. You telling me that we should be condemned for that???

Lustful thoughts yes.

 

[HIM]

according to racists black people acting as the social or moral equals of whites is a sin - being black isn't a sin but forgetting one's place or acting all uppity is.

Who cares. Homosexuality is a sin. That is the issue at hand. To be a homosexual is a sin. Not my rules Gods.

 

[HIM]

Homophobia - an irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender. It includes antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, and hatred of homosexuals

A lot of its members are homophobic

Who cares. Homsexuality to is a sin. To be a homosexual is a sin. Whether one acts on their desires or not they are sinning. They need to repent and not be ruled by the flesh but by God.

 

[hedrick]

Who cares. Homsexuality to is a sin. To be a homosexual is a sin. Whether one acts on their desires or not they are sinning. They need to repent and not be ruled by the flesh but by God.

There's no way to repent from desires, only from behavior.

It's this kind of thing that makes me think the idea of homophobia actually makes sense.

I'm in the middle of this. I hate to see personal attacks on Christians who are doing their best to follow what God wants, even if I disagree. But there really does seem to be evidence that homosexuality is treated differently than it would be if the Bible were the only issue.

 

[SilverBear]

Who cares. Homosexuality is a sin. That is the issue at hand. To be a homosexual is a sin. Not my rules Gods.

what makes you right and all those racists wrong?

 

[HIM]

There's no way to repent from desires, only from behavior.

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According to you then we are condemned with no hope

I am so Glad God sees it differently. Though we will be held accountable for our desires.
Matt 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Matt 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Matt 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Matt 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

God has given us a way out through Jesus Christ our Lord.

2Cor 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
2Cor 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds.
2Cor 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
2Cor 10:6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

 

[HIM]

what makes you right and all those racists wrong?

Homosexuality is a sin. It is a sin to be homosexual. Not my thoughts God's.

 

[Strathos]

There is difference between tempted and feeding into a temptation

And I'm talking about someone who is abstinent, therefore they don't succumb to the temptation.

 

[HIM]

And I'm talking about someone who is abstinent, therefore they don't succumb to the temptation.

One can be abstinent yet still accountable due to the condition of their heart.

 

[The Ant]

Homosexuality is a sin. It is a sin to be homosexual. Not my thoughts God's.

Your Bible says nothing about BEING a homosexual. It speaks only of certain sexual behaviours.

 

[The Ant]

Lustful thoughts yes.

Who said anything about “lustful thoughts”?? Heterosexuals are sexually attracted to the opposite sex. Doesn’t mean we walk around all day thinking about what we might do with them.

 

[HIM]

Your Bible says nothing about BEING a homosexual. It speaks only of certain sexual behaviours.

No mention of the Bible in the post you are quoting. However it all starts in the mind. And God will give you over to what you are feeding it. If you are a homosexual you are still feeding the thoughts and desires. YOUR heart is not with God and you are condemned.

Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Who are they that God gave up? They are the them in the previous verse whom God gave up unto their vile affection. SADLY that would be the homosexual in their vile affection before they committed the act physically. God gave them over to their reprobate mind to do those things which are not convenient .

Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

 

[HIM]

Who said anything about “lustful thoughts”?? Heterosexuals are sexually attracted to the opposite sex. Doesn’t mean we walk around all day thinking about what we might do with them.

Attracted, desire, lust.....take care.

 

[Strathos]

One can be abstinent yet still accountable due to the condition of their heart.

Which is why they seek forgiveness.

 

[SilverBear]

Homosexuality is a sin. It is a sin to be homosexual. Not my thoughts God's.

and racists say that racial equality is a sin, something forbidden by God. SO back to my question - what makes all those racists wrong and you right?

 

[hedrick]

Who are they that God gave up? They are the them in the previous verse whom God gave up unto their vile affection. SADLY that would be the homosexual in their vile affection before they committed the act physically. God gave them over to their reprobate mind to do those things which are not convenient .

Huh? “They” is those who “exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling a mortal human being or birds or four-footed animals or reptiles.” That’s quite clear. God gave them up . . . Giving them up to passions was a punishment for idolatry.

Furthermore, these people don’t just have degrading passions and remain celibate. They indulge them with unnatural,acts.

This is not a condemnation of Christians who have an attraction and choose not to act on it. Indeed it’s not a condemnation of any kind of a Christians, but that point at least is clear. In this usage, passion and lust go beyond attraction, indicating something out of control.

 

[coffee4u]

Have you considered the feeling of black people when you recycle the same bigoted justifications for racism to use to prop up anti-gay discrimination?

It's not comparable. That would be like comparing a Honda Civic to a steam train. Just because both transport people does not make them in anyway the same thing.

God created the variety of skin colours, hair and eyes colours and facial features and called them all very good.
Genesis 1:31
God saw all that he had made, and it was very good.

God also lists sins, which have nothing to do with how people look. God doesn't care how people look on the outside and doesn't judge them for it and nor should Christians.
1 Samuel 16:7
But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."
We need to try and have that same attitude. It doesn't matter the skin colour, if someone is fat or thin, if they are crippled, ugly, disabled or unborn, all have the same worth. All are made in the image of God. But this has nothing to do with sin, which is what this topic is about.

Homosexuality is included in that list along with all other sexual sins which include heterosexual fornication and adultery but also small things like bad thoughts and greed to major things like murder and rape.

You are equating homosexuality with race because you don't believe homosexual practice to be sin, but God says it is. You believe it's something good because the majority of the culture that surrounds you thinks the same way. 100 years ago you would not have thought this way because the culture didn't think that way. Culture changes, God does not. The entire culture may decide that couples living together is as good as marriage, but God does not, his views don't change.

All unmarried Christians are called to be celibate.
This has nothing to do with society or the government, it's what God calls his people to do.

 

[HIM]

Huh? “They” is those who “exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling a mortal human being or birds or four-footed animals or reptiles.” That’s quite clear. God gave them up . . . Giving them up to passions was a punishment for idolatry.

Punishment? God gave them over, with drew His Spirit. He stop pleading with them in respect to the things their reprobate minds were nurturing. They were given over to their reprobate mind to do those things which are not proper. TO Do implies not done yet. So along with idolatry there were other issues being nurtured in their reprobate minds and GOD GAVE them over to do them. And their homsexuality was one of them.

Rom 1:28 ...even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient

Furthermore, these people don’t just have degrading passions and remain celibate. They indulge them with unnatural,acts.

This is not a condemnation of Christians who have an attraction and choose not to act on it. Indeed it’s not a condemnation of any kind of a Christians, but that point at least is clear. In this usage, passion and lust go beyond attraction, indicating something out of control.

If we are attracted, we are lusting, we are desiring, we are setting our heart upon it. We are still enslaved and not saved because it is who we are. WE are still of the sin because we have not allowed ourselves to be delivered from it.

Matt 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Matt 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Matt 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.