Demons (devils) are in fact - fallen angels. (According to the Bible)

[BobRyan]

1. God created everything good.
2. There are tons of "not-the-bible" sources for other ideas.
3. Angels: all start as sinless Angels - some of whom fell

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Demons are angels who fell:

"Satan and HIS angels" = "the dragon and HIS angels"

2 Peter 3
4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into Tartarus and committed them to pits of darkness, held for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly

Rev 12
3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: and behold, a great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads were seven crowns. 4 And his tail *swept away a third of the stars of heaven

It is then a case of "Satan and HIS angels" vs the angels of heaven in Rev 12.

7 And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war, 8 and they did not prevail, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

Matthew 25:41: “Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.’”

Matt 12:23 “This man casts out demons only by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons.”

954. Beelzeboul -- Beelzebul, a name of Satan
... 2 Ki 1:2) -- Beelzebul, a title of Satan which stresses he is the prince
over demons ("demonic flies"). See also 4567 ("Satan").

Matt 10:8 “Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons. Freely you received, freely give.

KJV devils: G1140 daimonion
NASB demons: G1140 daimonion


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Demons (NASB Matt 12:24) also called devils (KJV Matt 12:24) also called the angels of Satan Rev 12 who is "the devil" the prince of demons.

Just as "devil" is a reference to the fallen angel that is called Lucifer.
So "devils" is a term for "demons" which are also fallen angels.


Synonym for “demon”: From Oxford Languages
First synonym is “devil”
synonyms for demons - Google Search

====================== websters

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/devil

Definition of devil
(Entry 1 of 2)

1often capitalized : the personal supreme spirit of evil often represented in Christian belief as the tempter of humankind, the leader of all apostate angels, and the ruler of hell —usually used with the —often used as an interjection, an intensive, or a generalized term of abusewhat the devil is this?the devil you say!

2: an evil spirit : DEMON

 

[BobRyan]

And Satan along with his fallen angels / demons -- will be case into the lake of fire - in Rev 20

Matthew 25:41: “Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.’”

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So we know the start point for fallen angels; unfallen Angels created by God
We know the end/doom of fallen angels: eternal fire , lake of fire, Rev 20, hell.

And as shown so far - demons are another name for fallen angels. It all makes sense.

But suppose we insert the idea that the demons are not even remotely connected to fallen angels ... some other group... undefined...

undefined origin
undefined ending
undefined purpose

A lot of ad hoc stories then "get inserted here"

I found that fact very compelling as a good reason for not inserting the idea that fallen angels and demons are not the same thing.

In Rev 12 - Satan is the dragon, the serpent and the devil.

9 And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels.

The Bible translates the same word as "demons" and as "devils". In Rev 12 Satan is called -- Satan and "the devil" -- Satan is a fallen angel.

Fallen angels are also called demons

 

[BobRyan]

1. Demons are never called Nephilim in the Bible.
2. Demons were not created as such - rather they were created by God as sinless perfect beings at the start.
3. Fallen Angels are never called Nephilim in the Bible.
4. Angels do not have the feature/biology to have angel-children or angel families - much less become father to human children. See Matt 22.

29 But Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, since you do not understand the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven

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demon and devil are english words not Greek words.

KJV devils: G1140 daimonion
NASB demons: G1140 daimonion

Rev 12 - Satan is fallen angel (with his angels) fighting against God - and called "the devil" (in both NASB and KJV)

This shows that a fallen angel is called "the devil"

Matt 12 shows demons = devils comparing translations ... and we already know that "devil" can apply to a fallen angel in the Bible as we see in Rev 12

demons are never said to be "spirits of Nephilim who roam the earth" in the Bible.

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These Bible details are irrefutable and require no ad hoc stories to fill in the back-story element for demons/devils or insert a fate for them that is not in the Bible.

 

[Guojing]

1. Demons are never called Nephilim in the Bible.
2. Demons were not created as such - rather they were created by God as sinless perfect beings at the start.
3. Fallen Angels are never called Nephilim in the Bible.
4. Angels do not have the feature/biology to have angel-children or angel families - much less become father to human children. See Matt 22.

29 But Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, since you do not understand the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven

Yes, and I believed the destiny of the Body of Christ, after the 2nd coming of Christ, is to replace those fallen angels.

 

[returntosender]

Its hard to think of angels being demons.

 

[Mark Quayle]

God created everything good.

Including sinless Angels - some of whom fell and were then called demons
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Demons are angels who fell:

"Satan and HIS angels" = "the dragon and HIS angels"

2 Peter 3
4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into Tartarus and committed them to pits of darkness, held for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly

You really need to start getting your talking points from some other source. For example, can you show me from Scriptures how "sinless Angels" fell?

Rev 12
3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: and behold, a great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads were seven crowns. 4 And his tail *swept away a third of the stars of heaven

It is then a case of "Satan and HIS angels" vs the angels of heaven in Rev 12.

7 And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war, 8 and they did not prevail, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

Matthew 25:41: “Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.’”

Matt 12:23 “This man casts out demons only by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons.”

954. Beelzeboul -- Beelzebul, a name of Satan
... 2 Ki 1:2) -- Beelzebul, a title of Satan which stresses he is the prince
over demons ("demonic flies"). See also 4567 ("Satan").

 

[DarkGalaxy501]

i heard somewhere from some dude that does a lot of research. He was like the fallen angels that came and had children with human ladies...those children became like a hybrid of angel/human. They were not ordinary. And so when they died, their soul would stay on earth...those roaming souls of the hybrids are now what we call demons. The dude used book of enoch as reference and other books too. Its interesting. but idk

overall, what i do know is that every agent of evil is super afraid of Jesus and submissive to his commands.

 

[returntosender]

as affirmed by the pigs.

 

[Dan1988]

1. Demons are never called Nephilim in the Bible.
2. Demons were not created as such - rather they were created by God as sinless perfect beings at the start.
3. Fallen Angels are never called Nephilim in the Bible.
4. Angels do not have the feature/biology to have angel-children or angel families - much less become father to human children. See Matt 22.

29 But Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, since you do not understand the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven

This a bit confusing, the Bible does say that the fallen angels (Sons of God) came into women impregnated them and the Nephilim (giants) were born. The Bible doesn't specify the method which the fallen Angels used to impregnate the women, but we know they can manifest themselves into physical realm so their constitution is not a barrier.
They may have even possessed the bodies of the husbands to impregnate them, whatever their method was we know that their offspring were not human. Some scholars say that the Demons we have in the world today are the spirits of the Nephilim, others say that they are the spirits of the fallen Angels which were cast out of heaven with Satan.
In either case they can be traced back to the fallen Angels. Many scholars say that the fallen Angels used gene manipulation technology, to create hybrid creatures and dinosaurs. They did this in an attempt to corrupt the seed of mankind and prevent the birth of the Lord Jesus Christ. This would explain why God wiped out the whole corrupted world, except for Noah who's line was not corrupted by these fallen Angels.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

They hit the earth at the speed of lightning. I'll bet that's how the earth got cracked.

 

[friend of]

Cool thread Bob

 

[friend of]

. Angels do not have the feature/biology to have angel-children or angel families - much less become father to human children.

Then where did the nephilim come from?

 

[Kenny'sID]

Matt 12:23 “This man casts out demons only by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons.”

But that doesn't say demons are fallen angels. Satan/Beelzebub could rule over both demons and fallen angels.

Was that your main evidence, or was there something more that convinced you?

 

[Carl Emerson]

One important point not covered is whether angels are created and if so if Satan is a created being. This also raises the question of a spiritual fall before the fall of Adam. To be a deceiver he must have fallen first.

So the term Sons of God may not refer to regular angels?

 

[HARK!]

I've heard many make the argument that demons are the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

God created everything good.

Including sinless Angels - some of whom fell and were then called demons

So what was the rationale of creating angels capable of falling in first place ?

Before going to free will part we can say hedgehog has free will but it still can’t fly even if it decided to do so.

 

[BobRyan]

So what was the rationale of creating angels capable of falling in first place ? .

free will is a funny thing.

But there was always the option of "creating robots" as some have pointed out - and that would have been "safer" -- but not nearly as complex/complicated ... so for an infinite God - the robot option was "no option"

Before going to free will part we can say hedgehog has free will but it still can’t fly even if it decided to do so.

Your pet hedgehog can still choose to "bite you" if it gets upset or is not fully tamed.

If you are asking if Angels "had limits" -- well sure they did/do ... they cannot create worlds, cannot create life... etc.

 

[BobRyan]

I've heard many make the argument that demons are the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim.

you do see that sometimes mentioned by someone on a discussion thread --

but no Bible text says that;

• Nephilim are angels
• or that they ever were angels
• or that they are fallen angels
• or that they are demons

 

[BobRyan]

One important point not covered is whether angels are created and if so if Satan is a created being.

Isaiah 14 and Ezek 28 both say Satan is created - as are all angels.

This also raises the question of a spiritual fall before the fall of Adam. To be a deceiver he must have fallen first.

exactly.

So the term Sons of God may not refer to regular angels?

Sons of God is always a term applied to those who serve and obey God - for example John 1:12
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

 

[BobRyan]

But that doesn't say demons are fallen angels. Satan/Beelzebub could rule over both demons and fallen angels.

You'd have to "insert it" no text says that they are not the same thing.

If you insert it -- then you have no origin at all for demons since the Bible shows where fallen angels originated from - but does not say
"and demons originated from"
nor even " and God created demons"

The Bible points to the doom of fallen angels in the lake of fire etc hell... but there is no specific statement about demons having an end or sent to the lake of fire etc -- so more making stuff up for that as well.

-- it is all complete ad hoc stories once you choose the route that they are two different groups Satan is the king of.

I found that fact very compelling