Where do you stand on the 2020 election

[Archivist]

I'm rude? All you do is say the same thing over and over while people are swearing oaths that there was corruption in many states. Not once have you insinuated that you want Biden to win fair by having an investigation. I think your afraid of an investigation.

You...saying "Biden won" means nothing unless the real votes says so..not you.

Unlike you, I have called not state judges corrupt without offering any evidence. I have not been repeating the same thing over and over. I have offered articles quoting judges and other government officials. You just keep posting affidavit videos that are not being accepted by courts as evidence. Judges have made the decision that they are not valid.

let’s just wait and see who gets sworn in as President next month. Hint: it will not be Trump.

 

[revybub]

Here is the deal while we are on this Earth we will live under the policies of that government, so we better care who is in office and the polices we live under in the meantime.

I do agree. While we should do as much as we can to have better man in office who will make the best choices. We should also know God's in control as well. And whatever his plans are will happen. And we should be ready for whatever does happen.

 

[ZagZig]

let’s just wait and see who gets sworn in as President next month. Hint: it will not be Trump.

Ever been to an NHL hockey game? Many times there is a disputed goal. Even a penalty or infraction on the legal equipment. What do those in control of the rules of the game and the league do? They investigate. Numerous times you will hear "They're going upstairs to review the goal". Now, those who wish it to be counted as a goal.. they are murmuring and saying "it was in... no worries, anyone who has eyes can see it's a goal"... Those who wish the goal to be disqualified are saying "no goal, no goal.. it was kicked in... or... it was a high stick or glove... or.. the whistle had already gone, play was dead.. no goal no goal."... Until those in power investigate.. it's all just hopeful banter on both sides.
You sound like the person shouting.. "It was in, why even bother checking". All most people want is the truth so that the goal is only counted if it was within the rules of the game. Even those who play the game, if they have integrity, don't want to win by methods that are outside the rules of the game.
Are you a republican? Your avatar says that you are.

 

[Archivist]

Ever been to an NHL hockey game? Many times there is a disputed goal. Even a penalty or infraction on the legal equipment. What do those in control of the rules of the game and the league do? They investigate. Numerous times you will hear "They're going upstairs to review the goal". Now, those who wish it to be counted as a goal.. they are murmuring and saying "it was in... no worries, anyone who has eyes can see it's a goal"... Those who wish the goal to be disqualified are saying "no goal, no goal.. it was kicked in... or... it was a high stick or glove... or.. the whistle had already gone, play was dead.. no goal no goal."... Until those in power investigate.. it's all just hopeful banter on both sides.
You sound like the person shouting.. "It was in, why even bother checking". All most people want is the truth so that the goal is only counted if it was within the rules of the game. Even those who play the game, if they have integrity, don't want to win by methods that are outside the rules of the game.

When have I said why bother checking? Judges have reviewed pleadings presented by Trump lawyers. They have thrown out over 30 cases for lack of evidence. The claims presented by Trump's lawyers have been checked by them and found to be lacking. Judges are men and women who regularly evaluate and give careful consideration to evidence that is presented to them.

Are you a republican? Your avatar says that you are.

I am. Just because I am a Republican, that doesn't mean that I have to like our candidate. I voted for President-elect Biden.

 

[ZagZig]

'Disputed' isn't really the right verb. People voted, more of them voted for Biden than for Trump. What Trump is attempting is not a dispute, but rather the kicking up of enough bs to make people think something untoward is going on. He started creating that atmosphere way before the election - if there is anything he is good at, it's deceit and manipulation, as the rest of his public career makes plain. A dispute would involve there actually being something to be disputed.

Ya... you bet... more "votes" for Biden than ever before.. for any president.. In fact 10 million more. Trump got more than any President in history too. More than he did when he beat Hillary. By a long shot. This, by a candidate that lived in a basement, had campaign rallies with maybe 60 people and was not allowed to be asked any questions that weren't on a teleprompter... which even then, he got wrong. Anyway, time will tell. More evidence is coming out all the time. My biggest concern is what will happen in the US if Trump is kept in office.. The democrats have already shown what happens if they don't get their way.

 

[ZagZig]

When have I said why bother checking? Judges have reviewed pleadings presented by Trump lawyers. They have thrown out over 30 cases for lack of evidence. The claims presented by Trump's lawyers have been checked by them and found to be lacking. Judges are men and women who regularly evaluate and give careful consideration to evidence that is presented to them.



I am. Just because I am a Republican, that doesn't mean that I have to like our candidate. I voted for President-elect Biden.

The difference is that you are saying it's over. However, it's not over. All the evidence is not in and not all the cases have been heard.. It will go to SCOTUS. I understand that you voted for Biden. Doesn't that mean you are not republican? I mean, I don't always vote PC or Liberal or NDP in Canada... but I don't claim or belong to any party... If I was a member of the PC party.. I wouldn't vote for the others.. I wouldn't still claim to be PC. Understand my logic?

 

[Lg2000]

Trump and his side dont want a fair election , he lost the fair election.
He's attempting a coup . He wants to be king/dictator.

 

[Tom 1]

Ya... you bet... more "votes" for Biden than ever before.. for any president.. In fact 10 million more. Trump got more than any President in history too. More than he did when he beat Hillary. By a long shot. This, by a candidate that lived in a basement, had campaign rallies with maybe 60 people and was not allowed to be asked any questions that weren't on a teleprompter... which even then, he got wrong. Anyway, time will tell. More evidence is coming out all the time. My biggest concern is what will happen in the US if Trump is kept in office.. The democrats have already shown what happens if they don't get their way.

Lol. Well, it’s vague nonsensical fantasy vs reality, and so far reality is winning. I suppose reality will always win out eventually, however much of a mess the ‘true believers’ try to make of it.

 

[ZagZig]

Trump and his side dont want a fair election , he lost the fair election.
He's attempting a coup . He wants to be king/dictator.

Actually, the opposite is true. If you want to stage a coup, you do not do it by standing up and contesting an election without any evidence. If you want to stage a coup, you rig an election in so many ways, with so many corrupt people, counting, securing, overseeing, organizing and restricting those that want to observe and validate ballots. (thanks @tulc for correcting my atrocious spelling of Ballot). You organize by acquiring the main stream media, big tech, censoring and hiding valid reports and publications and using government officials. You organize by using hardware that is easily manipulated. You organize by using dead voters, repeat voters, illegal aliens as voters and scanning ballets multiple times. You do not stage a coup by simply exposing fraud or, in your mind, trying to fabricate evidence of fraud. You stage a coup by planning for four years or more to manipulate the voting results.

 

[ZagZig]

Lol. Well, it’s vague nonsensical fantasy vs reality, and so far reality is winning. I suppose reality will always win out eventually, however much of a mess the ‘true believers’ try to make of it.

Well, time will tell.

 

[Tom 1]

Well, time will tell.

Time has told. When this gibberish is rejected by the Supreme Court you guys will still be insisting it’s true. There is absolutely nothing that would convince you otherwise.

 

[ZagZig]

Time has told. When this gibberish is rejected by the Supreme Court you guys will still be insisting it’s true. There is absolutely nothing that would convince you otherwise.

Actually, it was only the state supreme court. Thankfully they did not stall the whole process by listening and going into days of monotonous red tape in the state court. This must get to SCOTUS on the straightest fastest route. Not to mention Sydney Powell has her own cases that are going to expose even more.

 

[ZagZig]

Here's where things start to get harder and harder to slough off as "no evidence". More video of actual fraud in process and access to the dominion machines to investigate. Things are far from over.

 

[Tom 1]

Actually, it was only the state supreme court. Thankfully they did not stall the whole process by listening and going into days of monotonous red tape in the state court. This must get to SCOTUS on the straightest fastest route. Not to mention Sydney Powell has her own cases that are going to expose even more.

Yes I know, as I said after the Supreme Court has rejected it, or aliens come down and demonstrate it didn’t happen, or whatever else you can think of happens, you’ll still believe whatever Trump has to say about it.

 

[ZagZig]

Yes I know, as I said after the Supreme Court has rejected it, or aliens come down and demonstrate it didn’t happen, or whatever else you can think of happens, you’ll still believe whatever Trump has to say about it.

I am not going on what Trump is or was saying..It's experts like this:

 

[Tom 1]

I am not going on what Trump is or was saying..It's experts like this:

It all comes back to Trump, the source of the mania for truth bending that has taken over large sections of the US. All of the pointless faff in vids like this one dissolves into nothing when put before a judge. Just a load of smoke and mirrors. The US is the only country on the planet where any significant number of people would take this dumbness seriously. But what’s the point in arguing it? Nothing, literally nothing, will get anyone capable of believing this stuff to see through it.

 

[tulc]

I am not going on what Trump is or was saying..It's experts like this:

uhmmm...this Russel Lambsrand:

A federal lawsuit brought by conservative lawyer L. Lin Wood Jr. sought to halt the statewide certification of the vote in Georgia, claiming that systemic issues with the election process had marred the state’s results.

Russell J. Ramsland Jr., a cybersecurity worker and an expert witness in the case, filed an affidavit Wednesday claiming that his company had uncovered evidence of inconsistencies in electronic voting machines. But the inconsistencies he claimed to identify were in districts in Michigan, not Georgia.

The affidavit also listed a number of towns and counties in which Ramsland’s analysis ostensibly showed that the number of votes cast exceeded the number of eligible voters. But most, if not all, of the places Ramsland listed appeared to be townships and counties in Minnesota, not Michigan.

In a hearing Thursday, the Trump-appointed judge, Steven D. Grimberg, pushed back against claims of voter fraud.

“I understand that’s your argument, but what’s your evidence?” he asked after listening to Ray S. Smith III, a lawyer for Wood.

“To halt the certification at literally the eleventh hour would breed confusion and disenfranchisement that I find have no basis in fact and law,” Grimberg said.

He rejected the challenge.

found here: Trump campaign lawyers step up but are swiftly knocked down - The Economic Times
So this "expert security witness" has already been used, and apparently didn't realize Minnesota wasn't the same State as Michigan.
that would be here:
Trump lawyers wrongly cite election "red flags" in Michigan that actually happened in Minnesota

A Trump campaign lawsuit focusing on election fraud in Georgia has used data from precincts in Michigan to highlight "anomalies and red flags" that have led to discrepancies in vote totals.

An affidavit in the legal filing was signed by a Texas resident who specializes in cybersecurity. In it, the cybersecurity expert points to voter turnout that exceeds 100% in dozens of Michigan precincts.

The problem is, they aren't precincts in Michigan. They are precincts in Minnesota. The miscalculation was first reported by the PowerLine Blog.

tulc(would suggest some caution when citing this particular "expert")

 

[ZagZig]

It all comes back to Trump, the source of the mania for truth bending that has taken over large sections of the US. All of the pointless faff in vids like this one dissolves into nothing when put before a judge. Just a load of smoke and mirrors. The US is the only country on the planet where any significant number of people would take this dumbness seriously. But what’s the point in arguing it? Nothing, literally nothing, will get anyone capable of believing this stuff to see through it.

It all comes back to Trump? All the videos now coming out of the fraud? All the experts in data and cyber security stating that there was hacking and fraudulent activity? All the, over 1000 people who have sworn affidavits of their eye witnessing of illegal and fraudulent action and ballot tampering? All that comes back to Trump? Ya, sounds about right.. the guy that lost the election, which means he is of the view of the minority, has all these people saying that the election was tampered with and that it is a wash with fraud.. Ya... it's all on him. The source of the mania... is main stream media, the big tech of Facebook and twitter and YouTube blocking people who are telling anything that is against the agenda of the left. These people and the evidence will not "dissolve into nothing" before a judge. They have only been in legislative councils so far. No witness has been before a judge. However, the 1000 sworn affidavits... they are identical to being on a stand, under oath, in a court of law, at any level, right up to the SCOTUS... time will tell.

 

[ZagZig]

uhmmm...this Russel Lambsrand:

found here: Trump campaign lawyers step up but are swiftly knocked down - The Economic Times
So this "expert security witness" has already been used, and apparently didn't realize Minnesota wasn't the same State as Michigan.
that would be here:
Trump lawyers wrongly cite election "red flags" in Michigan that actually happened in Minnesota

tulc(would suggest some caution when citing this particular "expert")

Well, time will tell won't it?

 

[Tom 1]

It all comes back to Trump? All the videos now coming out of the fraud? All the experts in data and cyber security stating that there was hacking and fraudulent activity? All the, over 1000 people who have sworn affidavits of their eye witnessing of illegal and fraudulent action and ballot tampering? All that comes back to Trump? Ya, sounds about right.. the guy that lost the election, which means he is of the view of the minority, has all these people saying that the election was tampered with and that it is a wash with fraud.. Ya... it's all on him. The source of the mania... is main stream media, the big tech of Facebook and twitter and YouTube blocking people who are telling anything that is against the agenda of the left. These people and the evidence will not "dissolve into nothing" before a judge. They have only been in legislative councils so far. No witness has been before a judge. However, the 1000 sworn affidavits... they are identical to being on a stand, under oath, in a court of law, at any level, right up to the SCOTUS... time will tell.

'Time will tell' - must be the new zombie tagline, seeing that a lot. Of course it starts with Trump - if he hadn't given so much glamour to lying and fraud all the hangers on would never have crawled out of the woodwork to get their share of the pie. Of course the supreme court will reject it, they can hardly be expected to rule on random hearsay. They're still a functioning court, thankfully, and not so easily duped by the garbage Trump fans feed on.