How did the earliest Christians differ from us.

[Tyler52]

Impossible for the church in Jerusalem to have been operational, since it's inception.

Luke 21:21
Then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those who are inside the city must leave, and those who are in the country must not enter the city.

There was a period of time that the church in Jerusalem, was not in operation. Due to the Roman siege and conquest of Jerusalem in AD 70.

I think he means the church founded by Jesus Christ (referring to denomination)

 

[prodromos]

I think he means the church founded by Jesus Christ (referring to denomination)

He means the Church in Jerusalem, which was of course founded by Jesus Christ, but which also survived the Roman expulsion of Jews. There were many Gentile Christians who were not forced to flee and the Church has remained there til this day.

 

[honey badger]

Do you believe that it is bad to attempt to understand the difference between right and wrong or gain knowledge?

i believe it to be necessary...

 

[honey badger]

let us make man in our image...

an image and a likeness is not the truth, but a lie .... God is not divided ...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Impossible for the church in Jerusalem to have been operational, since it's inception.

Luke 21:21
Then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those who are inside the city must leave, and those who are in the country must not enter the city.

There was a period of time that the church in Jerusalem, was not in operation. Due to the Roman siege and conquest of Jerusalem in AD 70.

It was operational. It was just in a sort of "church in exile" status...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

an image and a likeness is not the truth, but a lie .... God is not divided ...

So you believe part of Genesis is a lie?

 

[honey badger]

So you believe part of Genesis is a lie?

no ... i believe the image as in the perception of self to be a lie ...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

no ... i believe the image as in the perception of self to be a lie...

That was a quote from Genesis...so either you believe it is true or not.

 

[honey badger]

That was a quote from Genesis...so either you believe it is true or not.

i believe God is the Truth not an image or a likeness of Him ....

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

i believe God is the Truth not an image or a likeness of Him ....

It was a yes or no answer.

 

[honey badger]

It was a yes or no answer.

are you asking me IF I agree with Christendom's opinion of the meaning within a verse, or are you asking me if i believe the scriptures to be infallible ?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

are you asking me IF I agree with Christendom's opinion of the meaning within a verse, or are you asking me if i believe the scriptures to be infallible ?

I am asking you if you believe the verse to be true as written..."Vayomer Elohim...let US make MAN (Adam) in OUR image and likeness"

 

[honey badger]

I am asking you if you believe the verse to be true as written

yes i believe Adam/man to be made in the image and likeness of God ...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

yes i believe Adam/man to be made in the image and likeness of God ...

So why were you objecting to it earlier? When I asked you you said "no...I believe the image (as in the perception of self) to be a lie..." So Adam's perception of self is a lie? If you believe Adam was made in the image of Elohim, why do you say the image of Elohim is a lie?

 

[honey badger]

So why were you objecting to it earlier? When I asked you you said "no...I believe the image (as in the perception of self) to be a lie..." So Adam's perception of self is a lie? If you believe Adam was made in the image of Elohim, why do you say the image of Elohim is a lie?

because Adam ( as a picture of us all) believed, as in has the perception that God was separate from himself, which is a lie ... whereas Christ Jesus believed there was no separation between himself and his Father, which is the truth ....

 

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[Yeshua HaDerekh]

because Adam ( as a picture of us all) believed, as in has the perception that God was separate from himself, which is a lie ... whereas Christ Jesus believed there was no separation between himself and his Father, which is the truth ....

Adam sinned and separated himself while Yeshua did not. Do you believe in Theosis?

 

[honey badger]

Adam sinned and separated himself while Yeshua did not. Do you believe in Theosis?

Adam's nakedness was revealed to him when the women (his soul) gave him to eat, he was naked/unclothed from the start but was unashamed of it as he knew (knowledge) no different, which is to say he was separate by perception from God but had no concept that he was or as Jesus put it speaking his/our Fathers words

If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have had sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin.


as for Theosis ... we do not come to God by steps, but God reveals Himself in us as us, which is a present truth we enter into having always been ...

And indeed, in this we groan, longing to be clothed with our dwelling which is from heaven,

it is our perception as in our souls perception seeded from within that is our true covering, it is to be clothed upon Him

Return, O Virgin Israel, return to these cities of yours. How long will you gad about, O you backsliding daughter? For the LORD has created a new thing in the earth— A woman shall encompass a man.”

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Adam's nakedness was revealed to him when the women (his soul) gave him to eat, he was naked/unclothed from the start but was unashamed of it as he knew (knowledge) no different, which is to say he was separate by perception from God but had no concept that he was or as Jesus put it speaking his/our Fathers words

So you think that Eve was Adam's soul and not a real person? You believe Adam was separate (or perceived he was, from God while in Gan Eden?

 

[honey badger]

So you think that Eve was Adam's soul and not a real person? You believe Adam was separate (or perceived he was, from God while in Gan Eden?

its important to understand that Adam named his wife/soul Eve after the fall ... the man and the women were named Adam ...

Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

Adam ate of his own reasoning prior to the law being spoken ....