Why do people hate easy believism?

[Danigt22]

Thank you for the supposed "context". I am very pleased to have it.

Now, are you going to answer the question, or not?

Are you under the law of Christ? Yes, or No?

It is a very simple question to answer my friend. In fact, I will show you how easy it is to answer it:

I, Swag365, do hereby on September 20, 2020, declare that "Yes," I am under the law of Christ.​

Is it really that difficult for you to state that you are under the law of Christ? Why?

And why do you have to add all types of "context" before answering a very simple question?

My answer was yes, but it seems you didnt notice. No go with the sting of death to someone else.

 

[Kenny'sID]

1) Luke 18:19
“And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.”


2)Galatians 3
"11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

Typical, no actual answer to the questions, and that speaks volumes.

 

[Danigt22]

Typical, no actual answer to the questions, and that speaks volumes.

Cant you people read context with word of God.

1)Can you get to heaven by not being/doing good? Yes, in fact no one is good or doing good only God does.

2)Also, must we have works to prove our faith, or is just claiming we have faith all we need in order to get to heaven? It is faith alone.

 

[Swag365]

My answer was yes, but it seems you didnt notice. No go with the sting of death to someone else.

No, you did not state "yes" but thank you for the answer.

First you have accused me of throwing red herrings, then of having "ill intent", now you are accusing me of "going with the sting of death" to people, all because I asked you one simple question, "are you under the law of Christ?"

Well to all that I must say, it does not demonstrate the charity that we would typically expect from a Christian.

Have a nice day.

 

[Dansiph]

The only reason why someone would dislike the fact that salvation is easy is because they are prideful. Think about this. Whenever you do something that isn't easy, don't you become prideful? It was not easy for me to do my first job interview. But after I was done I was proud about the fact that I managed to do it anyway. I was prideful because I did something that was not easy. But that's not salvation. Salvation is the easiest thing in the world. You don't get saved by accomplishing anything (let alone something that isn't easy), you get saved by receiving a free gift that is freely given to everyone. The only way to get saved is by believing in Jesus, not by believing in yourself. That's why it's impossible for prideful people to get saved.

Whenever someone dislikes the term "easy believism", that is a sign that you are dealing with a prideful person. The more prideful you are, the more you hate easy believism. The prideful person delights in the fact that they earned their salvation by their own efforts, and hates the idea that salvation could be easy. The prideful person gives glory to himself rather than giving glory to God.

But the truly humble person loves it. He loves the fact that salvation is so easy and so simple. They don't mind the fact that they can't take any glory out of their own salvation, but that God takes all the glory.

You seem proud of the fact you are not proud though?

I believed in easy believism. I believed I was saved. Now I don't, so where do I stand?

 

[Danigt22]

---SE---

What purpose does it has doubting if someone is following the spirit. Are you justify by faith or by the law?

 

[Danigt22]

---SE---

If I answer you with a direct yes, Im a liar since I sin even at my best. If I say a direct no, that means Im not under grace. This is the type of question only comes from Satan and his desire to corrupt the gospel.

 

[BibleBeliever1611]

You seem proud of the fact you are not proud though?

So if I'm prideful then what can I boast about? Prideful people always have something to boast about. Boasting is the source of pride.

 

[Swag365]

What purpose does it has doubting if someone is following the spirit.

I did not write anything about you following or not following the Spirit, nor do I have any particular doubts or or other assumptions concerning that matter.

Are you justify by faith or by the law?

I am justified by faith, and gratuitously.

See how easy that is, to answer a question, without accusing someone of throwing a red-herring, having ill-intent, and so forth?

You should try it sometime.

 

[Dansiph]

So if I'm prideful then what can I boast about? Prideful people always have something to boast about. Boasting is the source of pride.

You seem to be boasting about how humble you are to accept the grace of God and comparing yourself to others who haven't. Your conclusion is that they must be prideful whereas you are humble because you can accept God's grace.

 

[Danigt22]

I did not write anything about you following or not following the Spirit, nor do I have any particular doubts or or other assumptions concerning that matter.

I am justified by faith, and gratuitously.

See how easy that is, to answer a question, without accusing someone of throwing a red-herring, having ill-intent, and so forth?

You should try it sometime.

Then I guess Im sorry for being at the defensive

 

[Swag365]

You seem to be boasting about how humble you are to accept the grace of God and comparing yourself to others who haven't. Your conclusion is that they must be prideful whereas you are humble because you can accept God's grace.

Well, I don't think we know that that is what motivates him. It is possible, but perhaps the desire to make that comparison and denounce others as prideful was for some other reason.

 

[Swag365]

Then I guess Im sorry for being at the defensive

No worries.

 

[Swag365]

You seem proud of the fact you are not proud though?

LOL, it sounds like a chapter from the Screwtape Letters.

 

[BibleBeliever1611]

You seem to be boasting about how humble you are to accept the grace of God and comparing yourself to others who haven't. Your conclusion is that they must be prideful whereas you are humble because you can accept God's grace.

I know that I'm just as much of a sinner as anyone else. I'm not saying I'm any better than anyone else. I'm just saying that I wasn't trying to work for salvation or earn it by myself, just received it as a free gift.

The only reason I can imagine why someone would not want to have a free gift is the mindset that says, "I'm such a good and hard-working person that I'm going to earn that gift by myself. You're not just going to give it to me freely." That would be a prideful mindset. So that's why I think pride is the reason why someone would not want a free gift or dislike the idea of getting a free gift.

If salvation is easy and it's totally free, wouldn't that just be the greatest news ever? Why would you dislike that?

 

[Dansiph]

I know that I'm just as much of a sinner as anyone else. I'm not saying I'm any better than anyone else. I'm just saying that I wasn't trying to work for salvation or earn it by myself, just received it as a free gift.

The only reason I can imagine why someone would not want to have a free gift is the mindset that says, "I'm such a good and hard-working person that I'm going to earn that gift by myself. You're not just going to give it to me freely." That would be a prideful mindset. So that's why I think pride is the reason why someone would not want a free gift or dislike the idea of getting a free gift.

If salvation is easy and it's totally free, wouldn't that just be the greatest news ever? Why would you dislike that?

The reasons I would give are that it is humbling to not sin and to live for God. It isn't all about us. Obviously as people we will be prone to pride but I don't think that's why most people disagree with the idea of easy believism. A lot of people will feel proud of themselves for things they accomplish but it's not unfathomable to say that lots of people also genuinely have a desire to please God.

 

[eleos1954]

The only reason why someone would dislike the fact that salvation is easy is because they are prideful. Think about this. Whenever you do something that isn't easy, don't you become prideful? It was not easy for me to do my first job interview. But after I was done I was proud about the fact that I managed to do it anyway. I was prideful because I did something that was not easy. But that's not salvation. Salvation is the easiest thing in the world. You don't get saved by accomplishing anything (let alone something that isn't easy), you get saved by receiving a free gift that is freely given to everyone. The only way to get saved is by believing in Jesus, not by believing in yourself. That's why it's impossible for prideful people to get saved.

Whenever someone dislikes the term "easy believism", that is a sign that you are dealing with a prideful person. The more prideful you are, the more you hate easy believism. The prideful person delights in the fact that they earned their salvation by their own efforts, and hates the idea that salvation could be easy. The prideful person gives glory to himself rather than giving glory to God.

But the truly humble person loves it. He loves the fact that salvation is so easy and so simple. They don't mind the fact that they can't take any glory out of their own salvation, but that God takes all the glory.

believing in Jesus

There is a lot to being a believer .... a lot.

1 Peter 2:21 “For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also SUFFERED for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps.”

One just stating "I believe Jesus exists" is not a believer.

Walking with Jesus ...

What Does the Bible Say About Walking With Jesus?

 

[BibleBeliever1611]

The reasons I would give are that it is humbling to not sin and to live for God. It isn't all about us. Obviously as people we will be prone to pride but I don't think that's why most people disagree with the idea of easy believism. A lot of people will feel proud of themselves for things they accomplish but it's not unfathomable to say that lots of people also genuinely have a desire to please God.

Sure. But here's a good point to understand. It would be wrong to be humble out of your own free will. The Bible talks about voluntary humility and that's a bad thing. Basically what it means is being humble because you just want to be humble, or to prove to other people how humble you are. One example of voluntary humility would be a Buddhist monk who tortures himself and fasts for three months in a monastery. In Buddhism that is considered very humble and spiritual, but in reality God never told him to sit in a monastery and torture himself. So we should be humble in a way that God wants, not the way we want.

"Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind," - Colossians 2:18

 

[Goodhuman]

If you fall and realize you can't be trusted, and feel you're undone and Satan whispers you can't be forgiven, and you discover you were wrong and the Lord shows mercy - hold on, you're in for the best ride of your life!!

I can be trusted but only those of God trust me. It is not OK to think evil of me, it shows only you are not of God, and you add new sins, to make your salvation more hard.

 

[Dansiph]

Sure. But here's a good point to understand. It would be wrong to be humble out of your own free will. The Bible talks about voluntary humility and that's a bad thing. Basically what it means is being humble because you just want to be humble, or to prove to other people how humble you are. One example of voluntary humility would be a Buddhist monk who tortures himself and fasts for three months in a monastery. In Buddhism that is considered very humble and spiritual, but in reality God never told him to sit in a monastery and torture himself. So we should be humble in a way that God wants, not the way we want.

"Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind," - Colossians 2:18

I'm guilty of that but I ask God to help me seek to please him first and foremost. I just don't believe in that view of the gospel anymore. It's not merciful and I also just don't think it's true.